I carry a gun because SMN and IMATY carry guns. I don't trust them.

I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

Was this whole shooting just an attempt to kill his mother? I'm on the way to drill and can't get updated info for an hour or so.

(12-14-2012 05:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

I see. So every person that has shot and killed someone with a hand gun was an expert shooter.

You don't know sh1t.

(12-14-2012 05:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

You keep believing. I think we're all better off regardless of what happens.

(12-14-2012 05:05 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I carry a gun because SMN and IMATY carry guns. I don't trust them.

I don't have a license to carry a gun, so I don't. But I don't need a license to have them in my house.

(12-14-2012 05:17 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 05:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

You keep believing. I think we're all better off regardless of what happens.

Maybe he has wonderwomans bracelets. He can keep thinking he'll be OK with his fists of fury against a gangbanger with a gun. I'll reserve my right to the 2nd amendment.

Fix whatever the hell short-circuited inside this guy's head. The guns were a means to an end.

(12-14-2012 05:17 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 05:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

You keep believing. I think we're all better off regardless of what happens.

Or maybe he see's it in his head like this:

(12-14-2012 05:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

also he's not a pu$$y

(12-14-2012 05:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

My news sources are always reporting stories about azholes killing with handguns and I'd venture that few if any are experts. Where do you get your horrid info?

Do you suppose todays killer was an expert?

(12-14-2012 05:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't carry a gun because I am perfectly capable of taking care of myself and I know that actually shooting and killing someone with a hand gun is next to impossible unless you are an expert shooter.

So we don't have to worry about leaving guns around for children to play with. Ok

(12-14-2012 02:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I say that an armed society is a polite society as long as it's the right people that have most of the weapons.

But the NRA is attempting to make sure that there is no effective check to ensure that the 'right people' have most of the weapons.

Here's what could be done, without infringing on anyones 2nd Amendment rights.

1) An end to 'no-check' gun sales. If people want to privately sell a weapon, the purchaser and buyer can go to the police station, where both their records are checked. Increased oversight of gun shows and other legal points where guns are sold.

2) A 48 hour cooling off period for purchases. The liberal bastion of Alabama (!) has this law

3) Increased ATF funding for more agents to ensure that straw sales laws are more vigorously enforced.

4) A ban or tax on high capacity clips. Or if that isn't constitutionally feasable, a requirement to register such guns.

5) Increased criminal penalties for those breaking firearm access laws.

If you want a gun - be my guest! If you want to sell your gun (or enable those that do) to someone who may be insane, a straw purchaser, or a criminal, then unfortunately its all our business.

Alabama has a 48 hour law? When I bought a shotgun for my wife's home protection (I was working nightshift in Birmingham at the time), all they did was check that I wasn't a felon and let me walk out with the gun. This was about 2 years ago.

Alabama does not have a 48 hour law.

(12-14-2012 07:46 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  Alabama does not have a 48 hour law.

They did when I lived there. At least for handguns.

UPDATE. The waiting period was removed in 2000. Never seemed to mind waiting 48 hours to buy a gun. Then again, I've only bought one in my entire life.

(12-14-2012 12:40 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Children have been shot and killed, and libs are making jokes and trying to score political points (and repeatedly misspelling "afraid"). It's times like this they show their true nature.

sick *****

(12-14-2012 07:27 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:08 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I say that an armed society is a polite society as long as it's the right people that have most of the weapons.

But the NRA is attempting to make sure that there is no effective check to ensure that the 'right people' have most of the weapons.

Here's what could be done, without infringing on anyones 2nd Amendment rights.

1) An end to 'no-check' gun sales. If people want to privately sell a weapon, the purchaser and buyer can go to the police station, where both their records are checked. Increased oversight of gun shows and other legal points where guns are sold.

2) A 48 hour cooling off period for purchases. The liberal bastion of Alabama (!) has this law

3) Increased ATF funding for more agents to ensure that straw sales laws are more vigorously enforced.

4) A ban or tax on high capacity clips. Or if that isn't constitutionally feasable, a requirement to register such guns.

5) Increased criminal penalties for those breaking firearm access laws.

If you want a gun - be my guest! If you want to sell your gun (or enable those that do) to someone who may be insane, a straw purchaser, or a criminal, then unfortunately its all our business.

Alabama has a 48 hour law? When I bought a shotgun for my wife's home protection (I was working nightshift in Birmingham at the time), all they did was check that I wasn't a felon and let me walk out with the gun. This was about 2 years ago.

I heard they were his mom's guns. He apparently killed her at home and then went to kill here students.

Since they were legal guns, I am not sure what current gun control laws would have prevented this.

(12-14-2012 08:54 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 12:40 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Children have been shot and killed, and libs are making jokes and trying to score political points (and repeatedly misspelling "afraid"). It's times like this they show their true nature.

sick *****

I think everyone is sick of hearing about benghazi.

1) The school is a gun free zone. As you can see, that did nothing to deter a criminal. Shocking, I know.

2) The school is a gun free zone. Any lawful person who would otherwise be CCW is conveniently disarmed for the criminal.

3) In case you didn't notice, simply prohibiting something (guns in this school zone) didn't prevent the contraband from being acquired and brought in. We can't even keep hard drugs out of prison. The TSA routinely smuggles handguns past their own checkpoints during tests. Simply banning something doesn't make it go away... it puts the power it can be exploited for in the power of the criminal element at the detriment of the law abiding.

4) The police are by their very nature a reactionary force. There is no pre-crime. There is only crime, and a best effort response to it. This is why empowering law abiding citizens to defend themselves and others is the best defense against criminals and crazies.

Class dismissed Roberta.

(12-14-2012 02:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  But the NRA is attempting to make sure that there is no effective check to ensure that the 'right people' have most of the weapons.

Here's what could be done, without infringing on anyones 2nd Amendment rights.

1) An end to 'no-check' gun sales. If people want to privately sell a weapon, the purchaser and buyer can go to the police station, where both their records are checked. Increased oversight of gun shows and other legal points where guns are sold.

2) A 48 hour cooling off period for purchases. The liberal bastion of Alabama (!) has this law

3) Increased ATF funding for more agents to ensure that straw sales laws are more vigorously enforced.

4) A ban or tax on high capacity clips. Or if that isn't constitutionally feasable, a requirement to register such guns.

5) Increased criminal penalties for those breaking firearm access laws.

If you want a gun - be my guest! If you want to sell your gun (or enable those that do) to someone who may be insane, a straw purchaser, or a criminal, then unfortunately its all our business.

#1 and #2 is incredibly naive. It won't stop jack. Criminals will get their guns if they want them. Hell -- the ATF will throw them at you if you're close enough to the border.

#3 ... the ATF has proven conclusively through gun running they cannot be trusted. They need to be abolished. They serve no legitimate purpose that the FBI, state, and local police doesn't already serve.

#4 ... because reloading takes sooooooooo long amirite? And if you didn't follow the law in acquiring the weapon, you'll surely follow it for magazine capacities amirite?? Again ... VERY naive.

Lastly ... the NRA is no great bastion of defense of the 2nd amendment. They are increasingly full of cop-out and compromising liberal lites. The real no compromise gun lobby in Washington is GOA ... and I'm proud to be a Life Member.