But thanks for spurring the quote of the year.

Quote:“You should know that evidence is not stuff printed from the internet,” ~ Judge Charles Marginis

Taitz loses court case to Occidental over Obama’s records

Quote:Occidental successfully opposed a legal motion filed by persistent birther Orly Taitz to compel the college to release President Barack Obama’s college records, including his application...The judge soundly rejected Taitz’s argument, decreeing that basic legal requirements were not met and ordered her to pay $4,000 in sanctions to compensate the college for time and resources spent dealing with the matter.

Quote:When Botterud arrived in the courtroom, he was approached by Taitz and asked if he had the President’s records with him, according to a court observer’s report. The report noted that Botterud was “obviously amused,” when he replied, “No.”

Quote:On a radio podcast he went on after the case, attorney Jay Ritt, a friend of Botterud’s who was brought on to assist Occidental defend its position, commented on Taitz’s legal skills.

“I would like to take credit for a spectacular job preparing papers and going down to the Orange County Superior Court and arguing this case and getting sanctions, but I honestly believe a rhesus monkey could have beaten Ms. Taitz and got a sanction award based on the awful lack of merit to the subpoena itself,” Ritt said. “And the case itself, from what I could tell, seems just ludicrous on its face.”

Serious question Tom. Why do you think he won't release them? Haven't all other presidents released theirs? Not releasing them only fuels the fire that he's hiding something.

(12-03-2012 03:50 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Serious question Tom. Why do you think he won't release them? Haven't all other presidents released theirs? Not releasing them only fuels the fire that he's hiding something.

I don't know of a single President that has released them (or been asked to release them).

No, some others have not released theirs. For instance, someone leaked Bush's, he didn't release them on his own.

I have always maintained that he should release them...but just like the BC...it will never stop the lunatics like Orly and Trump...so why bother really.

(12-03-2012 03:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 03:50 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Serious question Tom. Why do you think he won't release them? Haven't all other presidents released theirs? Not releasing them only fuels the fire that he's hiding something.

I don't know of a single President that has released them (or been asked to release them).

I honestly don't know about past Presidents but after the last four years why isn't everyone asking for them? If I send my resume for consideration for employment someone checks my background. Why shouldn't we check his and all future Presidents for that matter? His SS # is public but not his college transcripts?

I don't think anything about a Presidents military, educational citizenship background should be off limits. Regardless of his/her party.

GW Bush and Clinton's were never made available.

(12-03-2012 04:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  GW Bush and Clinton's were never made available.

Ok, they should have been.

FWIW, This site says no president has

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_pr...ranscripts

To me...it's mostly irrelevant to who gets elected. We have a pretty extensive interview process to determine our presidents, so their college grades are really not important. Every job I have ever gotten hired me because of my experience and performance in the interview process.

There is no doubt that Obama attended the colleges he said he did...there's ample evidence to all of them. And since there is no requirement for him to release them, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it regardless of the political affiliation of the candidate.

(12-03-2012 04:07 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  GW Bush and Clinton's were never made available.

Ok, they should have been.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

What we ought to have is a basic set of required disclosures. We're hiring for the most powerful position in the world, I think we're entitled to more information than for any job that you could get hired for, Tom.

I've said 5 years of tax returns, all college records, all job/employment records, all military records, all passport and visa history, as a general idea. Others might have slightly different takes. Those are mostly things that I have had employers ask for. But make it a statutory requirement. And if anyone wants to claim privacy, well, nobody is forcing him or her to run for president.

And I do think it was particularly disingenuous for the democrats to be attacking Romney for not providing more years of tax returns while Obama is clearly stonewalling on information in his case that is useful.

(12-03-2012 04:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  FWIW, This site says no president has

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_pr...ranscripts

To me...it's mostly irrelevant to who gets elected. We have a pretty extensive interview process to determine our presidents, so their college grades are really not important. Every job I have ever gotten hired me because of my experience and performance in the interview process.

There is no doubt that Obama attended the colleges he said he did...there's ample evidence to all of them. And since there is no requirement for him to release them, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it regardless of the political affiliation of the candidate.

I'm not losing any sleep over it either I just think I would lend some valuable insight to their background and further vet the candidates.

(12-03-2012 04:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  FWIW, This site says no president has

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_pr...ranscripts

To me...it's mostly irrelevant to who gets elected. We have a pretty extensive interview process to determine our presidents, so their college grades are really not important. Every job I have ever gotten hired me because of my experience and performance in the interview process.

There is no doubt that Obama attended the colleges he said he did...there's ample evidence to all of them. And since there is no requirement for him to release them, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it regardless of the political affiliation of the candidate.

If there was an R next to his name you'd say otherwise.

and a D goes the same way too smn.........

At least nobody is trying to make up his records for him, a la Dan Rather.

(12-03-2012 04:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  FWIW, This site says no president has

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_pr...ranscripts

To me...it's mostly irrelevant to who gets elected. We have a pretty extensive interview process to determine our presidents, so their college grades are really not important. Every job I have ever gotten hired me because of my experience and performance in the interview process.

There is no doubt that Obama attended the colleges he said he did...there's ample evidence to all of them. And since there is no requirement for him to release them, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it regardless of the political affiliation of the candidate.

If there was an R next to his name you'd say otherwise.

You're clueless...and likely didn't even read the last line I posted.

And feel free to point out all the threads where I called for Mitt's records....................

(12-03-2012 03:59 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 03:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 03:50 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Serious question Tom. Why do you think he won't release them? Haven't all other presidents released theirs? Not releasing them only fuels the fire that he's hiding something.

I don't know of a single President that has released them (or been asked to release them).

I honestly don't know about past Presidents but after the last four years why isn't everyone asking for them? If I send my resume for consideration for employment someone checks my background. Why shouldn't we check his and all future Presidents for that matter? His SS # is public but not his college transcripts?

No one ever asked for my transcripts at any job I have held, even the first one straight out of college.

(12-03-2012 04:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What we ought to have is a basic set of required disclosures. We're hiring for the most powerful position in the world, I think we're entitled to more information than for any job that you could get hired for, Tom.

I've said 5 years of tax returns, all college records, all job/employment records, all military records, all passport and visa history, as a general idea. Others might have slightly different takes. Those are mostly things that I have had employers ask for. But make it a statutory requirement. And if anyone wants to claim privacy, well, nobody is forcing him or her to run for president.

And I do think it was particularly disingenuous for the democrats to be attacking Romney for not providing more years of tax returns while Obama is clearly stonewalling on information in his case that is useful.

How are 30-year old college transcripts useful, or the same as tax returns from 3 years ago?

And I tend to agree with blanket requirement - but there would have to be a constitutional amendment for that.

(12-03-2012 06:24 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 03:59 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 03:56 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 03:50 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Serious question Tom. Why do you think he won't release them? Haven't all other presidents released theirs? Not releasing them only fuels the fire that he's hiding something.

I don't know of a single President that has released them (or been asked to release them).

I honestly don't know about past Presidents but after the last four years why isn't everyone asking for them? If I send my resume for consideration for employment someone checks my background. Why shouldn't we check his and all future Presidents for that matter? His SS # is public but not his college transcripts?

No one ever asked for my transcripts at any job I have held, even the first one straight out of college.

And we never hired anyone without obtaining a transcript.

(12-03-2012 06:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 04:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  What we ought to have is a basic set of required disclosures. We're hiring for the most powerful position in the world, I think we're entitled to more information than for any job that you could get hired for, Tom.

I've said 5 years of tax returns, all college records, all job/employment records, all military records, all passport and visa history, as a general idea. Others might have slightly different takes. Those are mostly things that I have had employers ask for. But make it a statutory requirement. And if anyone wants to claim privacy, well, nobody is forcing him or her to run for president.

And I do think it was particularly disingenuous for the democrats to be attacking Romney for not providing more years of tax returns while Obama is clearly stonewalling on information in his case that is useful.

How are 30-year old college transcripts useful, or the same as tax returns from 3 years ago?

And I tend to agree with blanket requirement - but there would have to be a constitutional amendment for that.

As a tax practitioner for 30+ years, I have looked at a lot of tax returns and I really don't see how you'd get much insight about an individual from his/her tax returns. They're pretty boring and without some explanation there's way more potential for misinformation. Reading a capstone writing assignment would almost certainly be far more insightful regarding a person's philosophy and character than any tax return. I don't know that raw transcripts would provide more insight than raw tax returns, but other parts of the academic paper trail would.