(12-01-2012 10:02 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  You guys had a lot more experience on the floor and our players outplayed you at every position. You can either say that we're more talented or that your players just failed to deliver on their talent which would fall on your coach.

I would say that ECU has better players than I've seen player there in a while (since that team with Cook and the french dude), but they aren't on our level right now and we're not exactly world beaters.

Valid points IMO. We have better players than in the past. Just not that much better. Many of our fans have purple glasses on. I have very experience purple glasses with lots of scratches on them.

(12-01-2012 10:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:17 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:02 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  You guys had a lot more experience on the floor and our players outplayed you at every position. You can either say that we're more talented or that your players just failed to deliver on their talent which would fall on your coach.

I would say that ECU has better players than I've seen player there in a while (since that team with Cook and the french dude), but they aren't on our level right now and we're not exactly world beaters.

I think tonight that it was on the ECU big men and I am really surprised that Lebo did not press Charlotte more or play zone.

ECU has talent; and as you saw when after they took that first punch in the mouth, they turned right around and cut that Charlotte lead in half in the blink of an eye. I don't know why Lebo didn't stay aggressive, becasue he clearly had Charlotte on their heels by pushing the ball and pressing; but that is why he is the coach.

Cut an 18 point lead down to 9 and you never got closer than 9 points for the rest of the game. It was never close. This was a blowout wire to wire and we played really sloppy.

Look, I'm not saying there isn't any talent there, but your guys aren't on the level of our guys. You have a far more experienced team, so to get outclassed by younger players means either they are woefully underprepared or they just aren't as good.

I do think Alan Major has done a better job as a HC than Lebo, both in strategy and recruiting.

We will agree to disagree. I think that you were allowed to play your style of basketball and you guys won. I don't think that your players are better; I think that all 5 of your guys attacke the glass for 2nd and 3rd shot opportunities and our big guys played soft.

So Lebo is against players attacking the glass for 2nd and 3rd shots? that might explain your 19 rebounds in 40 minutes. Bold strategy Cotton.

(12-01-2012 10:17 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:02 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  You guys had a lot more experience on the floor and our players outplayed you at every position. You can either say that we're more talented or that your players just failed to deliver on their talent which would fall on your coach.

I would say that ECU has better players than I've seen player there in a while (since that team with Cook and the french dude), but they aren't on our level right now and we're not exactly world beaters.

I think tonight that it was on the ECU big men and I am really surprised that Lebo did not press Charlotte more or play zone.

ECU has talent; and as you saw when after they took that first punch in the mouth, they turned right around and cut that Charlotte lead in half in the blink of an eye. I don't know why Lebo didn't stay aggressive, becasue he clearly had Charlotte on their heels by pushing the ball and pressing; but that is why he is the coach.

Cut an 18 point lead down to 9 and you never got closer than 9 points for the rest of the game. It was never close. This was a blowout wire to wire and we played really sloppy.

Look, I'm not saying there isn't any talent there, but your guys aren't on the level of our guys. You have a far more experienced team, so to get outclassed by younger players means either they are woefully underprepared or they just aren't as good.

I do think Alan Major has done a better job as a HC than Lebo, both in strategy and recruiting.

Lebo can't make his players hit their wide open 3 pointers. Live by the 3, die by the 3. I do hope he has his players shooting free throws like crazy though.

(12-01-2012 10:31 PM)PirateHeist Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:17 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:02 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  You guys had a lot more experience on the floor and our players outplayed you at every position. You can either say that we're more talented or that your players just failed to deliver on their talent which would fall on your coach.

I would say that ECU has better players than I've seen player there in a while (since that team with Cook and the french dude), but they aren't on our level right now and we're not exactly world beaters.

I think tonight that it was on the ECU big men and I am really surprised that Lebo did not press Charlotte more or play zone.

ECU has talent; and as you saw when after they took that first punch in the mouth, they turned right around and cut that Charlotte lead in half in the blink of an eye. I don't know why Lebo didn't stay aggressive, becasue he clearly had Charlotte on their heels by pushing the ball and pressing; but that is why he is the coach.

Cut an 18 point lead down to 9 and you never got closer than 9 points for the rest of the game. It was never close. This was a blowout wire to wire and we played really sloppy.

Look, I'm not saying there isn't any talent there, but your guys aren't on the level of our guys. You have a far more experienced team, so to get outclassed by younger players means either they are woefully underprepared or they just aren't as good.

I do think Alan Major has done a better job as a HC than Lebo, both in strategy and recruiting.

Lebo can't make his players hit their wide open 3 pointers. Live by the 3, die by the 3. I do hope he has his players shooting free throws like crazy though.

Channeling your inner Bobby Lutz?

(12-01-2012 10:31 PM)PirateHeist Wrote:  Lebo can't make his players hit their wide open 3 pointers. Live by the 3, die by the 3. I do hope he has his players shooting free throws like crazy though.

This is an argument Charlotte fans made for Lutz for years.

There is a difference between a spot up uncontested 3 and a rushed three off the dribble or a bad pass or way behind the line. When the dribble penetration worked and your players got a good look, their shots looked good. But for the most part, shots were either contested or the players were far from ideal shooting circumstances. A couple of the crazy bad shots still went in, which makes fans think it is a valid strategy. It isn't. Our perimeter defense is elite and has been under Alan Major, the rest of his gameplan is starting to catch up on the court.

At least Lebo doesn't have Bowden and Richmond starting. That's something Lutz would have done.

We really miss Morrow

(12-01-2012 10:38 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:31 PM)PirateHeist Wrote:  Lebo can't make his players hit their wide open 3 pointers. Live by the 3, die by the 3. I do hope he has his players shooting free throws like crazy though.

This is an argument Charlotte fans made for Lutz for years.

There is a difference between a spot up uncontested 3 and a rushed three off the dribble or a bad pass or way behind the line. When the dribble penetration worked and your players got a good look, their shots looked good. But for the most part, shots were either contested or the players were far from ideal shooting circumstances. A couple of the crazy bad shots still went in, which makes fans think it is a valid strategy. It isn't. Our perimeter defense is elite and has been under Alan Major, the rest of his gameplan is starting to catch up on the court.

At least Lebo doesn't have Bowden and Richmond starting. That's something Lutz would have done.

Not knocking your D.. it was legit. Just saying we had some kick outs for wide open 3's that were brick city. Also, our shooting percentage last week was just as terrible. Think we're just going through a cold streak right now - definitely wish we had some better inside players.

(12-01-2012 09:29 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 09:25 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 09:21 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 09:16 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  ECU: I do not care for the reliance on the 3-point shot and frankly, our play inside-the-paint -both offensively and defensively- SUCKS DONKEY SHLONG. We got absolutely killed on the boards tonight and we gave up way too many second-chance buckets.

We need to play with more composure and "know" when to slow it down and know when to push it... at times we looked very disorganized tonight.

We really need the "big men" to get more involved in this offense; they need to move out of the paint, clear, and allow the guards to drive. Robert Sampson looked horrid all evening. We desperately miss Morrow down low.

As for Charlotte, they should have beat us by a larger margin but y'all do seem headed in the right direction. I'm particularly impressed with your hustle and offensive movement; I'm not sure where y'all are expected to finish in the A10 but I'll wish your team the best of luck.

We were actually projected to finish 12th in the A10. I suspect we've raised that to around 8 as of right now. This was our sloppiest game so far and we'll need to tighten the ball control against the LOLCats on Wednesday.

St. Andrews should help ECU get back on track. If the Pirates can find an inside game they should be a threat in conference play.

Agreed. I'll admit that I stopped watching basketball "seriously" years ago and that I'm a Bobby Knight disciple, which means that I hate the tempo that they game is played with nowadays and the sloppiness that comes with it. ECU had to have double-digit turnovers and I'm pretty sure that y'all scored at least 20 second-chance points due to a HUGE OR advantage; three good big-men could help us tremendously, as would a change of attitude regarding out tempo.

This is a pretty solid analysis of the game. As a Charlotte fan, I enjoyed our work on the low block and our movement in the half court set. I didn't like when we'd break the press and the force a sloppy pass into the paint. We did much better slowing down after breaking pressure and working the ball for a good shot.

I think the drive and kick worked well, but we definitely had your shooters flustered. They rushed shots and hit a couple of prayers. They were always looking over their shoulder.

I hate the way Lebo has your team playing because it reminds me of Bobby ball, but at least he uses a real defensive scheme.

Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

(12-01-2012 10:31 PM)PirateHeist Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:17 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:02 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  You guys had a lot more experience on the floor and our players outplayed you at every position. You can either say that we're more talented or that your players just failed to deliver on their talent which would fall on your coach.

I would say that ECU has better players than I've seen player there in a while (since that team with Cook and the french dude), but they aren't on our level right now and we're not exactly world beaters.

I think tonight that it was on the ECU big men and I am really surprised that Lebo did not press Charlotte more or play zone.

ECU has talent; and as you saw when after they took that first punch in the mouth, they turned right around and cut that Charlotte lead in half in the blink of an eye. I don't know why Lebo didn't stay aggressive, becasue he clearly had Charlotte on their heels by pushing the ball and pressing; but that is why he is the coach.

Cut an 18 point lead down to 9 and you never got closer than 9 points for the rest of the game. It was never close. This was a blowout wire to wire and we played really sloppy.

Look, I'm not saying there isn't any talent there, but your guys aren't on the level of our guys. You have a far more experienced team, so to get outclassed by younger players means either they are woefully underprepared or they just aren't as good.

I do think Alan Major has done a better job as a HC than Lebo, both in strategy and recruiting.

Lebo can't make his players hit their wide open 3 pointers. Live by the 3, die by the 3. I do hope he has his players shooting free throws like crazy though.

ECU has been HORRIBLE at the line for a long time. This is nothing new. The day ECU teams start hitting FT's...Ill know we have progressed.

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

I'll gladly take Alan Major over either.

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 09:29 PM)Powerbait Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 09:25 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 09:21 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 09:16 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  ECU: I do not care for the reliance on the 3-point shot and frankly, our play inside-the-paint -both offensively and defensively- SUCKS DONKEY SHLONG. We got absolutely killed on the boards tonight and we gave up way too many second-chance buckets.

We need to play with more composure and "know" when to slow it down and know when to push it... at times we looked very disorganized tonight.

We really need the "big men" to get more involved in this offense; they need to move out of the paint, clear, and allow the guards to drive. Robert Sampson looked horrid all evening. We desperately miss Morrow down low.

As for Charlotte, they should have beat us by a larger margin but y'all do seem headed in the right direction. I'm particularly impressed with your hustle and offensive movement; I'm not sure where y'all are expected to finish in the A10 but I'll wish your team the best of luck.

We were actually projected to finish 12th in the A10. I suspect we've raised that to around 8 as of right now. This was our sloppiest game so far and we'll need to tighten the ball control against the LOLCats on Wednesday.

St. Andrews should help ECU get back on track. If the Pirates can find an inside game they should be a threat in conference play.

Agreed. I'll admit that I stopped watching basketball "seriously" years ago and that I'm a Bobby Knight disciple, which means that I hate the tempo that they game is played with nowadays and the sloppiness that comes with it. ECU had to have double-digit turnovers and I'm pretty sure that y'all scored at least 20 second-chance points due to a HUGE OR advantage; three good big-men could help us tremendously, as would a change of attitude regarding out tempo.

This is a pretty solid analysis of the game. As a Charlotte fan, I enjoyed our work on the low block and our movement in the half court set. I didn't like when we'd break the press and the force a sloppy pass into the paint. We did much better slowing down after breaking pressure and working the ball for a good shot.

I think the drive and kick worked well, but we definitely had your shooters flustered. They rushed shots and hit a couple of prayers. They were always looking over their shoulder.

I hate the way Lebo has your team playing because it reminds me of Bobby ball, but at least he uses a real defensive scheme.

Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

BL was fine coach.....but....that is of course... sheer speculation and conjecture.

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

This is true, but is speaks to how poor St Lebo is instead of how great bobby was.

(12-01-2012 11:09 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

This is true, but is speaks to how poor St Lebo is instead of how great bobby was.

No..still total conjecture and speculation. Let's stick with things we know. Charlotte is the better BB program and won tonight. Let's leave it at that...Ok?

(12-01-2012 11:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:09 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

This is true, but is speaks to how poor St Lebo is instead of how great bobby was.

No..still total conjecture and speculation. Let's stick with things we know. Charlotte is the better BB program and won tonight. Let's leave it at that...Ok?

Well, I suppose Lebo could be a good coach, but the man has a 15 yr track record and it isn't a pretty one. At some point he has to prove something

(12-01-2012 11:26 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:09 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

This is true, but is speaks to how poor St Lebo is instead of how great bobby was.

No..still total conjecture and speculation. Let's stick with things we know. Charlotte is the better BB program and won tonight. Let's leave it at that...Ok?

Well, I suppose Lebo could be a good coach, but the man has a 15 yr track record and it isn't a pretty one. At some point he has to prove something

I think he had a winning record at Auburn...another school not known for basketball. I have no idea at this point of his ability. He did take the same team that Mack left and improved them. Beyond that?...the rest is pure speculation.

(12-01-2012 11:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:26 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:09 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

This is true, but is speaks to how poor St Lebo is instead of how great bobby was.

No..still total conjecture and speculation. Let's stick with things we know. Charlotte is the better BB program and won tonight. Let's leave it at that...Ok?

Well, I suppose Lebo could be a good coach, but the man has a 15 yr track record and it isn't a pretty one. At some point he has to prove something

I think he had a winning record at Auburn...another school not known for basketball. I have no idea at this point of his ability. He did take the same team that Mack left and improved them. Beyond that?...the rest is pure speculation.

Lebo was 96-93 at Auburn. He's been a head coach since 1998, never been to NCAA's, 2 NIT appearances and then the magical run to the CIT in his first year at ECU.

I truly and honestly felt like we (Charlotte) didn't play well at all. Good to get a win on a night like this. On to the next one, it's rivalry week!

I'm disgusted with how soft we played, how emotionally weak we were, and how we made no adjustment on defense. This is what you get when you play no one with a pulse and then go play a good solid team on the road.

(12-01-2012 11:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:26 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:09 PM)casstommy Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:59 PM)919R Wrote:  Please. Lebo couldn't hold Lutz jock.

This is true, but is speaks to how poor St Lebo is instead of how great bobby was.

No..still total conjecture and speculation. Let's stick with things we know. Charlotte is the better BB program and won tonight. Let's leave it at that...Ok?

Well, I suppose Lebo could be a good coach, but the man has a 15 yr track record and it isn't a pretty one. At some point he has to prove something

I think he had a winning record at Auburn...another school not known for basketball. I have no idea at this point of his ability. He did take the same team that Mack left and improved them. Beyond that?...the rest is pure speculation.

Here's some non-speculation:

The man has been a head coach for 14 years at 4 different schools. In those 14 seasons, he's only been to the post-season 3 times...twice to the NIT and once to the CIT.

Auburn's not known for basketball? Now THAT'S speculation. Charles Barkley and Chuck Person played there. They were predicted to win the national title in the late 90's.

No...on the other side. As a player, he was a good point guard at UNC, overshadowed by Kenny Smith right before him though. You know who else played point guard at UNC? Larry Brown. He turned out to be a pretty good coach eventually too.

One thing that was alarming to me is that he never was an assistant under Smith at UNC. I know that's probably a pretty tough gig to get...but I always wondered if he didn't have ambition/guts enough to ask for a job or if he was wanted to and they didn't take him.

Typical ECU basketball. Until we can keep consistently recruiting better we aren't going to see much more improvement. Keep in mind some of these kids that have been anointed saviors by certain ECU posters are only freshmen.