(11-30-2012 07:41 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  You need to leave the "University or "University of" out of your use of Louisiana. So, no UL, anywhere.

Only the university is required legally to use "at Lafayette" when using "University of" jn referring to itself. And it does in any official university matters. No other person or outside entity is under that mandate. I, CUSA, or you for that matter can call us UL. Use of Louisiana without "University of" is not prohibited or illegal which is why we are branding ourselves athletically that way. Why not just let it go? It has no impact on La Tech.

(11-30-2012 06:11 PM)LATech95 Wrote:  I don't have a big beef against ULL. However, their were many of y'all's fans hoping to see us "rot" earlier in the year. I think some of the reaction you are getting is based on that. ULM would be a different ball of wax. We are thirty miles apart competing against them and Grambling (four miles away) for support, students, etc. all while being in the least populated part of the state (80% of LA's population is around I-10 or south).

Look, Louisiana (USL) and LA Tech were great rivalries at one time and hope to be so again. A lot of vitriol was spewed by Tech against us and any comments were either in response or as a rival. Most of us were very complimentary of Tech for breaking away into the WAC that led to CUSA. In fact, many of us were jealous that your President was willing to take a risk and our dinosaur President was not. Our universities are the leaders of the UL System. Our enemy is not and should not be each other. It is the big dog in Baton Rouge.

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I honestly couldn't care any less what drivel is hidden behind here.

You are correct. However, Louisiana Monroe has branded itself as ULM. Texas A&M often calls itself the Texas Aggies, yet no one in Texas says anything about that. If we are fortunate enough to be admitted to CUSA, wouldn't the conference be better off with a member as Louisiana rather than Louisiana-Lafayette. I still don't understand why people care if we call ourselves Louisiana. Nobody cares that Nevada Reno is now Nevada along with UNLV. Same thing with Louisiana and ULM. Just let us be who we want to be and that will only serve to better the conference. Like the state of Texas that has Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Texas State and UTEP, the state of Louisiana now has Louisiana State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana and ULM.



. I am not here to create a massive thread on our name. As I previously stated, we simply request to be called what we ask.

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First, call yourself what you like-go for whatever name you want. However, you must respect others who DO NOT see you in that light. Schools like us, USM, has had good relationships with all of the Louisiana universities over many, many years. We respect each and every one and do not consider anyone better than the other. Due to that relationship we prefer to address each by their proper name therefore not taking sides with either. The name situation is well known and we prefer neutrality so respect us when we call you University of Louisiana at Lafayette or any similarity other than what would be insulting like U La Laf, etc.

And, it would make no difference to the status of cusa whether you are known as ULL, UL Lafayette, U of La at Lafayette, etc. Names dont mean crap, its what you do on the field.

(11-30-2012 08:01 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 06:11 PM)LATech95 Wrote:  I don't have a big beef against ULL. However, their were many of y'all's fans hoping to see us "rot" earlier in the year. I think some of the reaction you are getting is based on that. ULM would be a different ball of wax. We are thirty miles apart competing against them and Grambling (four miles away) for support, students, etc. all while being in the least populated part of the state (80% of LA's population is around I-10 or south).

Look, Louisiana (USL) and LA Tech were great rivalries at one time and hope to be so again. A lot of vitriol was spewed by Tech against us and any comments were either in response or as a rival. Most of us were very complimentary of Tech for breaking away into the WAC that led to CUSA. In fact, many of us were jealous that your President was willing to take a risk and our dinosaur President was not. Our universities are the leaders of the UL System. Our enemy is not and should not be each other. It is the big dog in Baton Rouge.

I'm with you when it comes to fighting the power in Baton Rouge.

But please......PLEASE....stop acting like Tech fans attacked you unawares and unprovoked. I am sick and tired of everyone blaming the people of North Louisiana alone for the all of heat that has always....and always will...go both ways. And every single bit of the Sunbelt's hatred and ridicule toward Tech is/was because of our move to the WAC and decision not to stay and start a football conference in the 'belt.

We talked trash on you; you talked trash on us. Please stop with all of the spin.

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What? They have good food, friendly, have a growing fan base and are close. Bring them on!

If ULL wants to get in CUSA then they should probably be nicer to La Tech a university that is already in CUSA... If you'll are not pimping for invite then go back to Belt and chat with both the ULM fans that post there. I only joined this board and began posting after we were invited to the conference out of respect for the current conference school's fans that post here.

Anyway just my opinion and I can't understood why you'll joined up with ULM against Tech a few years ago? Seems like it would be better to at least try and get Tech to back your school.

(11-30-2012 07:51 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:41 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  You need to leave the "University or "University of" out of your use of Louisiana. So, no UL, anywhere.

Why not just let it go? It has no impact on La Tech.

This is one of my main gripes about your name issue. It all comes across so innocent doesn't it. Meanwhile it has been made perfectly clear by your fanbase what your main motivations are with this crusade. The benign aspect is you have an inferiority complex and you think this makes you look better than an "at whatever" university. But, the other side of the coin is more insidious. You lie about just using Louisiana for athletics, yet it took no time at all for you to use it for everything in the University. You are flying that name for academics, and are bragging about being "THE" University of Louisiana, and by default the flagship of the UL system. You hope to parlay the name into better state funding and advantages for research dollars, etc. The use of the name is absolutely illegal and everyone in the state knows this. You also know there is not a flagship for the UL system, and if there were it would be Tech. (Just to remind you the president of the UL system said publicly we are the leader of the system.)
So, don't try to say this has no impact on Tech or the other schools in the UL system. We have no intention of allowing this charade to flourish and will never refer to you as UL until it becomes your legal name. We are pretty certain the legal issues will resolve themselves, as our legislators are being made aware of what you are doing. You would be better off embracing who you are, because this issue derails every single discussion about your accomplishments.

(11-30-2012 10:29 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:51 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:41 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  You need to leave the "University or "University of" out of your use of Louisiana. So, no UL, anywhere.

Why not just let it go? It has no impact on La Tech.

This is one of my main gripes about your name issue. It all comes across so innocent doesn't it. Meanwhile it has been made perfectly clear by your fanbase what your main motivations are with this crusade. The benign aspect is you have an inferiority complex and you think this makes you look better than an "at whatever" university. But, the other side of the coin is more insidious. You lie about just using Louisiana for athletics, yet it took no time at all for you to use it for everything in the University. You are flying that name for academics, and are bragging about being "THE" University of Louisiana, and by default the flagship of the UL system. You hope to parlay the name into better state funding and advantages for research dollars, etc. The use of the name is absolutely illegal and everyone in the state knows this. You also know there is not a flagship for the UL system, and if there were it would be Tech. (Just to remind you the president of the UL system said publicly we are the leader of the system.)
So, don't try to say this has no impact on Tech or the other schools in the UL system. We have no intention of allowing this charade to flourish and will never refer to you as UL until it becomes your legal name. We are pretty certain the legal issues will resolve themselves, as our legislators are being made aware of what you are doing. You would be better off embracing who you are, because this issue derails every single discussion about your accomplishments.

There's a difference between having an inferiority complex and being ambitious. ULL was the driving factor behind the creation of the U of LA system, which was good thing. The fact that some people think it makes them poseurs is irrelevant. Making the U of LA system was the right thing to do. And once you accept that, you basically have to accept the "Louisiana" branding for sports. It's no different than University of Texas at Austin calling itself "Texas." ULL is the biggest school in the system in most ways, and is far bigger and better-established than the other school that calls itself "U of L."

As far as using "U of LA" outside of the sports world, I've seen little of that, and when it happens it's probably innocent. The people making funding decisions are well aware of the existence of every university in the state, and of their strengths and weaknesses.

My take on it as a LA taxpayer:

U of L institutions by academic prowess:

1. LA Tech
2. ULL
3. UNO
4. ULM
5. Northwestern State
6. SLU
7 - T. Nicholls State
7 - T. McNeese State
9. Grambling State

U of L institutions by athletic prowess:

1. LA Tech
2. ULL
3. ULM
4 - T. Grambling State
4 - T. UNO
4 - T. Northwestern State
4 - T. SLU
4 - T. Nicholls State
4 - T. McNeese State

U of L institutions by overall conference desirability:

1. LA Tech
2. ULL
3 - T. UNO
3 - T. ULM
5. SLU
6 - T. Grambling State
6 - T. Northwestern State
6 - T. Nicholls State
6 - T. McNeese State

what's to stop ULM from calling themselves University of Louisiana?

(12-01-2012 10:42 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  what's to stop ULM from calling themselves University of Louisiana?

Nothing. But they have already established and market themselves as ULM and have no interest in changing that.

And others have respected what they wanted to be called.

(12-01-2012 10:19 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 10:29 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:51 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:41 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  You need to leave the "University or "University of" out of your use of Louisiana. So, no UL, anywhere.

Why not just let it go? It has no impact on La Tech.

This is one of my main gripes about your name issue. It all comes across so innocent doesn't it. Meanwhile it has been made perfectly clear by your fanbase what your main motivations are with this crusade. The benign aspect is you have an inferiority complex and you think this makes you look better than an "at whatever" university. But, the other side of the coin is more insidious. You lie about just using Louisiana for athletics, yet it took no time at all for you to use it for everything in the University. You are flying that name for academics, and are bragging about being "THE" University of Louisiana, and by default the flagship of the UL system. You hope to parlay the name into better state funding and advantages for research dollars, etc. The use of the name is absolutely illegal and everyone in the state knows this. You also know there is not a flagship for the UL system, and if there were it would be Tech. (Just to remind you the president of the UL system said publicly we are the leader of the system.)
So, don't try to say this has no impact on Tech or the other schools in the UL system. We have no intention of allowing this charade to flourish and will never refer to you as UL until it becomes your legal name. We are pretty certain the legal issues will resolve themselves, as our legislators are being made aware of what you are doing. You would be better off embracing who you are, because this issue derails every single discussion about your accomplishments.

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As far as using "U of LA" outside of the sports world, I've seen little of that, and when it happens it's probably innocent. The people making funding decisions are well aware of the existence of every university in the state, and of their strengths and weaknesses.

Andre, do I have to go dig up some of your previous posts where you completely prove my assertion? Also, call up a ULL academic dept. and see how they answer the phone. ULL has to put the Lafayette on their correspondence, and they do. The use of Louisiana for sports is such an obvious attempt to have people think you are the University of Louisiana. In other words let's trick people into calling us what we want. You are not Texas, Nevada or any of the other schools you like to name who leave the city off their name. Difference is they are flagship schools. The rest of the schools use their city designation. LSU is the flagship school of Louisiana. ULL is not.
And, once again a thread about why ULL should get into CUSA is derailed by the name issue. This is not serving you well.

(11-30-2012 05:39 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Then, about 3-4mo ago the Board of Regents decided to ALLOW the state universities to let their students decide whether or not they want to initiatate or implement student athletic fees.

Okay - so they can use student fees to finance athletics. That's what Houston did to finance its $200 million or whatever in proposed facilities adjustments. A lot of schools use them. The CEOs of these schools should love this so that they can stop diverting academic money into athletics and strengthen both sides of the university.
When are the votes?

(11-28-2012 09:42 PM)Bluedawg10 Wrote:  I say only let ULL in if they sign an iron clad agreement to only use the Univerity of Louisiana at Lafayette, UL-Lafayette, or ULL as their name from now to the end of time.

(12-01-2012 11:20 AM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  Andre, do I have to go dig up some of your previous posts where you completely prove my assertion? Also, call up a ULL academic dept. and see how they answer the phone. ULL has to put the Lafayette on their correspondence, and they do. The use of Louisiana for sports is such an obvious attempt to have people think you are the University of Louisiana. In other words let's trick people into calling us what we want. You are not Texas, Nevada or any of the other schools you like to name who leave the city off their name. Difference is they are flagship schools. The rest of the schools use their city designation. LSU is the flagship school of Louisiana. ULL is not.
And, once again a thread about why ULL should get into CUSA is derailed by the name issue. This is not serving you well.

You can thank one of your own Tech posters for steering it that way.

(12-01-2012 11:20 AM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 10:19 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 10:29 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:51 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 07:41 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  You need to leave the "University or "University of" out of your use of Louisiana. So, no UL, anywhere.

Why not just let it go? It has no impact on La Tech.

This is one of my main gripes about your name issue. It all comes across so innocent doesn't it. Meanwhile it has been made perfectly clear by your fanbase what your main motivations are with this crusade. The benign aspect is you have an inferiority complex and you think this makes you look better than an "at whatever" university. But, the other side of the coin is more insidious. You lie about just using Louisiana for athletics, yet it took no time at all for you to use it for everything in the University. You are flying that name for academics, and are bragging about being "THE" University of Louisiana, and by default the flagship of the UL system. You hope to parlay the name into better state funding and advantages for research dollars, etc. The use of the name is absolutely illegal and everyone in the state knows this. You also know there is not a flagship for the UL system, and if there were it would be Tech. (Just to remind you the president of the UL system said publicly we are the leader of the system.)
So, don't try to say this has no impact on Tech or the other schools in the UL system. We have no intention of allowing this charade to flourish and will never refer to you as UL until it becomes your legal name. We are pretty certain the legal issues will resolve themselves, as our legislators are being made aware of what you are doing. You would be better off embracing who you are, because this issue derails every single discussion about your accomplishments.

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As far as using "U of LA" outside of the sports world, I've seen little of that, and when it happens it's probably innocent. The people making funding decisions are well aware of the existence of every university in the state, and of their strengths and weaknesses.

Andre, do I have to go dig up some of your previous posts where you completely prove 2 assertion? Also, call up a ULL academic dept. and see how they answer the phone. ULL has to put the Lafayette on their correspondence, and they do. The use of Louisiana for sports is such an obvious attempt to have people think you are the University of Louisiana. In other words let's trick people into calling us what we want. You are not Texas, Nevada or any of the other schools you like to name who leave the city off their name. Difference is they are flagship schools. The rest of the schools use their city designation. LSU is the flagship school of Louisiana. ULL is not.
And, once again a thread about why ULL should get into CUSA is derailed by the name issue. This is not serving you well.

I'm really not much of a ULL fan. The only ULL game I've ever been to was the one where Coach Bower let his backup QB score 4 rushing TDs.

I'm just telling you my perspective as a (mostly) objective observer. I think the name issue is ridiculous. I don't see why ULL is fundamentally different from Texas, Nevada, or any number of other schools. Even more absurd is the notion that Tulane (an institution to which I personally am far more connected than I am to ULL) should get to keep the "U of LA" designation in its back pocket... in case it decides not to be Tulane any more? That really embarrasses me; ULL is a poor school just trying to help a poor area. Tulane must be completely morally bankrupt to engage in that sort of thing.

The whole thing is pretty surreal to me. I think y'all need to go skip some stones across a duck-filled pond and think about what's really important in life

Got to give the Cajun fans credit - they really know how to make their school look good and sell themselves... I can see why there are still more schools ahead of them for future invites

Tell me again why we're talking about Monroe College? I can tell you few people east of Vicksburg or outside the cast of Duck Dynasty knows anything about this school or cares.

(12-01-2012 10:33 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  My take on it as a LA taxpayer:

U of L institutions by academic prowess:

1. LA Tech
2. ULL
3. UNO
4. ULM
5. Northwestern State
6. SLU
7 - T. Nicholls State
7 - T. McNeese State
9. Grambling State

U of L institutions by athletic prowess:

1. LA Tech
2. ULL
3. ULM
4 - T. Grambling State
4 - T. UNO
4 - T. Northwestern State
4 - T. SLU
4 - T. Nicholls State
4 - T. McNeese State

U of L institutions by overall conference desirability:

1. LA Tech
2. ULL
3 - T. UNO
3 - T. ULM
5. SLU
6 - T. Grambling State
6 - T. Northwestern State
6 - T. Nicholls State
6 - T. McNeese State

This deserves a response. LA Tech and Louisiana are equals academically and, if anything, Louisiana is ahead. Louisiana has over double research dollars, more than double endowment, almost double enrollment and both schools are RU/H institutions. Athletically, Louisiana is ahead of Tech in just about every sport and TODAY, the schools are equal in football. The ONLY advantage Tech has over Louisiana is they are now in a better conference which we would also like to be in. LA Tech has a better and more recognizable name, which is why we are branding ourselves as Louisiana. To LA Tech's credit, they have established that perception difference, but a look at the facts dispels that perception. We brought 40,000 fans to the N. O. bowl last year, and btw beat San Diego State. Any wonder why the Independence Bowl, Go Daddy Bowl and N. O. bowl were bidding for our invite?

(12-01-2012 11:38 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I'm just telling you my perspective as a (mostly) objective observer. I think the name issue is ridiculous. I don't see why ULL is fundamentally different from Texas, Nevada, or any number of other schools. Even more absurd is the notion that Tulane (an institution to which I personally am far more connected than I am to ULL) should get to keep the "U of LA" designation in its back pocket... in case it decides not to be Tulane any more? That really embarrasses me; ULL is a poor school just trying to help a poor area. Tulane must be completely morally bankrupt to engage in that sort of thing.

The whole thing is pretty surreal to me. I think y'all need to go skip some stones across a duck-filled pond and think about what's really important in life

Tulane told ULL long ago that they could use U of Louisiana. Tulane's not the one stopping them. The state legislature is.
40 years ago, ULL was on the academic level of McNeese. Dr Authement, whom ULL fans love to pound on, took that school and transformed it into a research university. Yea, he stayed too long. Poor school? Many of their students may be poor (which public school doesn't have poor students) but Lafayette has more upper-middle class wealth per capita than any parish in the state. It's replete with oil money. Lafayette has arts, culture, great living - you hear the story from the ULL fans - and they are right. ULL just hasn't been able to harness that money - and it's tough when that oil money comes from grads of OU, UT and LSU. But that's why ULL hasn't achieved what they see as their potential - not harnessing the resources in their own back yard. It's not Tulane, it's not La Tech (they get one vote for things like conference expansion) "holding them back".
But it has almost 20K students (and rising), the tuition is cheap, and they now can assess a student fee. But here's the problem - you assess $300 a year, times 20K students, and that's only $6 million, about what they get right now without it. It works a lot better when you have 40K students.