(11-13-2012 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Actually it is..

I said liberals are dumb.

You posted a picture of states that voted for Obama with the percentage of people that are above the age of 25 that graduated college.

Stay with me.

Just because a state's electoral votes went to Obama, doesn't mean that all those college grads voted for Obama. Your whole gif doesn't prove anything but shows the states that have people that are 25 and older that graduated college and what state had the majority of the vote for whichever candidate. Doesn't prove anything.

No.. it definitely does.

You can make some pretty good assumptions based on the data you have there. With that many people, it makes a pretty strong case that those who are educated are more likely to vote for Obama.

It's not saying all college graduates vote for Obama. It is most certainly implying though, that those who are educated, were probably more likely to vote for Obama.

You would need to provide some pretty strong evidence to the contrary to make a legitimate argument that he's wrong.

(11-13-2012 01:56 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Actually it is..

I said liberals are dumb.

You posted a picture of states that voted for Obama with the percentage of people that are above the age of 25 that graduated college.

Stay with me.

Just because a state's electoral votes went to Obama, doesn't mean that all those college grads voted for Obama. Your whole gif doesn't prove anything but shows the states that have people that are 25 and older that graduated college and what state had the majority of the vote for whichever candidate. Doesn't prove anything.

No.. it definitely does.

You can make some pretty good assumptions based on the data you have there. With that many people, it makes a pretty strong case that those who are educated are more likely to vote for Obama.

It's not saying all college graduates vote for Obama. It is most certainly implying though, that those who are educated, were probably more likely to vote for Obama.

You would need to provide some pretty strong evidence to the contrary to make a legitimate argument that he's wrong.

The argument can be made for Massachussets.. But I don't think it's a clear definition of the entire percentage.

It's like saying that Jim loves fried chicken. Jim is of Asian decent. Therefore anyone of Asian decent loves fried chicken.

(11-13-2012 01:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 01:53 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Actually it is..

I said liberals are dumb.

You posted a picture of states that voted for Obama with the percentage of people that are above the age of 25 that graduated college.

Stay with me.

Just because a state's electoral votes went to Obama, doesn't mean that all those college grads voted for Obama. Your whole gif doesn't prove anything but shows the states that have people that are 25 and older that graduated college and what state had the majority of the vote for whichever candidate. Doesn't prove anything.

It proves that the most educated states voted Obama and the least educated states voted Romney. Which (and stay with me) is more evidence than you've offered.

It shows that yes, but it doesn't prove that they themselves voted that way.

It doesn't prove that each and every college graduate voted for Obama? Okay. But it's a good indication and, in the absence of perfect knowledge, you go with the best evidence out there.

Hey, I wasn't the one making the outrageous claim here. You said liberals are dumb, and I offered this as a rebuttal. You've given nothing to support your position and this is strong evidence that you're full of ****.

Maxie...you can't race bait and then try to be the voice of reason, logic, and facts.

(11-13-2012 02:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  It's like saying that Jim loves fried chicken. Jim is of Asian decent. Therefore anyone of Asian decent loves fried chicken.

No it's not like that at all. Jim is a sample size of one, and you're projecting his tastes onto a population of billions, which makes no sense. Here, we're taking states with millions more college graduates than some others, and showing that those with millions more college graduates correlate with more Obama votes. And we're not looking at one state-- we're looking at 20. What we see is a consistent pattern.

(11-13-2012 02:09 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Maxie...you can't race bait and then try to be the voice of reason, logic, and facts.

Not race baiting. If you're white you have no reason to be so racially sensitive. That's ridiculous.

(11-13-2012 02:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 01:56 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Actually it is..

I said liberals are dumb.

You posted a picture of states that voted for Obama with the percentage of people that are above the age of 25 that graduated college.

Stay with me.

Just because a state's electoral votes went to Obama, doesn't mean that all those college grads voted for Obama. Your whole gif doesn't prove anything but shows the states that have people that are 25 and older that graduated college and what state had the majority of the vote for whichever candidate. Doesn't prove anything.

No.. it definitely does.

You can make some pretty good assumptions based on the data you have there. With that many people, it makes a pretty strong case that those who are educated are more likely to vote for Obama.

It's not saying all college graduates vote for Obama. It is most certainly implying though, that those who are educated, were probably more likely to vote for Obama.

You would need to provide some pretty strong evidence to the contrary to make a legitimate argument that he's wrong.

The argument can be made for Massachussets.. But I don't think it's a clear definition of the entire percentage.

It's like saying that Jim loves fried chicken. Jim is of Asian decent. Therefore anyone of Asian decent loves fried chicken.

I want to see that map with the counties sizes being a measure of their population and not square-footage to see how that actually looks.

Fox News showed that map to make its audience feel better. Nobody lives in those red counties. Most of them have more cattle than people.

Here's a county map, adjusting the counties to account for population instead of land mass--

Did you just create that in Paint?

Wow, at this thread.

You better quit that before you go blind, Max.

(11-13-2012 02:23 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Here's a county map, adjusting the counties to account for population instead of land mass--

Seems actually pretty accurate from just a quick glance. The west wouldn't even show up on this map, and it doesn't.

(11-13-2012 02:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 01:56 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Actually it is..

I said liberals are dumb.

You posted a picture of states that voted for Obama with the percentage of people that are above the age of 25 that graduated college.

Stay with me.

Just because a state's electoral votes went to Obama, doesn't mean that all those college grads voted for Obama. Your whole gif doesn't prove anything but shows the states that have people that are 25 and older that graduated college and what state had the majority of the vote for whichever candidate. Doesn't prove anything.

No.. it definitely does.

You can make some pretty good assumptions based on the data you have there. With that many people, it makes a pretty strong case that those who are educated are more likely to vote for Obama.

It's not saying all college graduates vote for Obama. It is most certainly implying though, that those who are educated, were probably more likely to vote for Obama.

You would need to provide some pretty strong evidence to the contrary to make a legitimate argument that he's wrong.

The argument can be made for Massachussets.. But I don't think it's a clear definition of the entire percentage.

It's like saying that Jim loves fried chicken. Jim is of Asian decent. Therefore anyone of Asian decent loves fried chicken.

Soo.. math and logic not your strong suit I take it..

(11-13-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 02:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 01:56 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Actually it is..

I said liberals are dumb.

You posted a picture of states that voted for Obama with the percentage of people that are above the age of 25 that graduated college.

Stay with me.

Just because a state's electoral votes went to Obama, doesn't mean that all those college grads voted for Obama. Your whole gif doesn't prove anything but shows the states that have people that are 25 and older that graduated college and what state had the majority of the vote for whichever candidate. Doesn't prove anything.

No.. it definitely does.

You can make some pretty good assumptions based on the data you have there. With that many people, it makes a pretty strong case that those who are educated are more likely to vote for Obama.

It's not saying all college graduates vote for Obama. It is most certainly implying though, that those who are educated, were probably more likely to vote for Obama.

You would need to provide some pretty strong evidence to the contrary to make a legitimate argument that he's wrong.

The argument can be made for Massachussets.. But I don't think it's a clear definition of the entire percentage.

It's like saying that Jim loves fried chicken. Jim is of Asian decent. Therefore anyone of Asian decent loves fried chicken.

Soo.. math and logic not your strong suit I take it..

*Sigh* Math and Logic are strong suits of mine.. We cannot simply say that all college graduates are: 1. Smart 2. Voted Democrat.

If you don't believe number 1, I know a fella.. If you don't believe number 2, I know another fella.

But your logic is flawed.

I will admit there are college graduates that voted Obama. My fiancee being one.

But Max blew this all out of porportion with my one comment.. I should've led with the comment I had, but it's all in the past.

Without knowing all the numbers you cannot simply derieve that a higher percentage of college grads are democrat or voted democrat. While in places like Massachussets it may hold true since they obviously love them some BHO, I believe in other places it may not hold as true.

It's from Mother Jones. Maybe they used Paint, I don't know.

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2...ppy-newman

Here's a state map with the same idea:

People saying it looks weird are idiots. That's what it's going to look like when there are dozens of counties with more significantly more citizens than entire states, and they voted overwhelmingly democrat. The areas that are large would be expected to be large.

(11-13-2012 03:04 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 02:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 02:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 01:56 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Actually it is..

I said liberals are dumb.

You posted a picture of states that voted for Obama with the percentage of people that are above the age of 25 that graduated college.

Stay with me.

Just because a state's electoral votes went to Obama, doesn't mean that all those college grads voted for Obama. Your whole gif doesn't prove anything but shows the states that have people that are 25 and older that graduated college and what state had the majority of the vote for whichever candidate. Doesn't prove anything.

No.. it definitely does.

You can make some pretty good assumptions based on the data you have there. With that many people, it makes a pretty strong case that those who are educated are more likely to vote for Obama.

It's not saying all college graduates vote for Obama. It is most certainly implying though, that those who are educated, were probably more likely to vote for Obama.

You would need to provide some pretty strong evidence to the contrary to make a legitimate argument that he's wrong.

The argument can be made for Massachussets.. But I don't think it's a clear definition of the entire percentage.

It's like saying that Jim loves fried chicken. Jim is of Asian decent. Therefore anyone of Asian decent loves fried chicken.

Soo.. math and logic not your strong suit I take it..

*Sigh* Math and Logic are strong suits of mine.. We cannot simply say that all college graduates are: 1. Smart 2. Voted Democrat.

If you don't believe number 1, I know a fella.. If you don't believe number 2, I know another fella.

But your logic is flawed.

I will admit there are college graduates that voted Obama. My fiancee being one.

But Max blew this all out of porportion with my one comment.. I should've led with the comment I had, but it's all in the past.

Without knowing all the numbers you cannot simply derieve that a higher percentage of college grads are democrat or voted democrat. While in places like Massachussets it may hold true since they obviously love them some BHO, I believe in other places it may not hold as true.

You're clearly not.

My logic is not flawed, you just can't read. Which would explain a lot.

I never said anything about ALL College graduates being smart or voting for Obama.

What the data implies is that college graduates in general are more likely to vote for Obama. College graduates are also more likely to be more intelligent than non-college graduates.

MORE being the key word in these sentences, not all. With the evidence we have, these conclusions are not flawed. Now stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

(11-13-2012 01:52 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:44 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:40 PM)gdunn Wrote:  And Max.. Just because someone went to college, doesn't mean they aren't dumb.

Yep, "Dumbya" went to Yale and Harvard.

Not that I honestly believe that Bush, for all his faults and poor decision-making, is "dumb." But if his opponents are going to label a multiple degreed Ivy League grad as an awful political leader, then the whole "more educated = better equipped to govern" rings hollow.

Depends on how you get into the school, and how well you do when you get there. Just going to a good school doesn't mean you're intelligent. There's circumstances surrounding every situation, and we all know W's.

Yep. getting into Ivy league schools is just as much, if not more, who you know versus what you know. Have a cousin at Harvard Business School. Told me her prof told her getting in was the hardest part so as long as she doesn't screw up graduating won't be all that difficult.

(11-13-2012 03:34 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 01:52 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:44 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:40 PM)gdunn Wrote:  And Max.. Just because someone went to college, doesn't mean they aren't dumb.

Yep, "Dumbya" went to Yale and Harvard.

Not that I honestly believe that Bush, for all his faults and poor decision-making, is "dumb." But if his opponents are going to label a multiple degreed Ivy League grad as an awful political leader, then the whole "more educated = better equipped to govern" rings hollow.

Depends on how you get into the school, and how well you do when you get there. Just going to a good school doesn't mean you're intelligent. There's circumstances surrounding every situation, and we all know W's.

Yep. getting into Ivy league schools is just as much, if not more, who you know versus what you know. Have a cousin at Harvard Business School. Told me her prof told her getting in was the hardest part so as long as she doesn't screw up graduating won't be all that difficult.

No, it's not. Knowing someone can help, sure, but you've still got to have an absurdly high GPA/SAT/ACT for that to even matter. No ones getting into Harvard with a 3.0 GPA and scoring in the 90th percentile in the SAT.

(11-13-2012 03:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 03:34 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 01:52 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:44 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:40 PM)gdunn Wrote:  And Max.. Just because someone went to college, doesn't mean they aren't dumb.

Yep, "Dumbya" went to Yale and Harvard.

Not that I honestly believe that Bush, for all his faults and poor decision-making, is "dumb." But if his opponents are going to label a multiple degreed Ivy League grad as an awful political leader, then the whole "more educated = better equipped to govern" rings hollow.

Depends on how you get into the school, and how well you do when you get there. Just going to a good school doesn't mean you're intelligent. There's circumstances surrounding every situation, and we all know W's.

Yep. getting into Ivy league schools is just as much, if not more, who you know versus what you know. Have a cousin at Harvard Business School. Told me her prof told her getting in was the hardest part so as long as she doesn't screw up graduating won't be all that difficult.

No, it's not. Knowing someone can help, sure, but you've still got to have an absurdly high GPA/SAT/ACT for that to even matter. No ones getting into Harvard with a 3.0 GPA and scoring in the 90th percentile in the SAT.

Believe what you will but I'm guessing a Kennedy with a sub 3.0 would still get into Yale, Harvard, Princeton, etc.