Seems socialism was active in the early US

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2012/11/...wrong.html

Quote:Or let's go back to 18th Century Rhode Island and the Country Party which in a time of economic crisis ran on a platform of debt relief by printing money. Their slogan was "To Relieve the Distressed". And they won big.

At its June 1786 session, the legislature passed a penalty act. Anyone refusing to accept the currency at face value was subject to a £100 fine for the first offense, half going to the state and half to “the Person who shall inform.” Conviction of a second offense carried the same fine and disenfranchisement.

The act provided that all paper-money cases were to be tried in special courts without juries and without the right to appeal.

On 13 September 1786, delegates from Providence County towns met in convention at Smithfield to consider the merchants’ continued opposition. The delegates attacked the subversive tendencies “of the mercantile Interest” and proposed that the legislature consider several plans, one of which called for a state-trade system that would have effectively eliminated the merchant class. As envisioned by a writer in the Providence Gazette, the state would own all stores, ships, wharves, shipyards, and the like. A state commission would send ships on fishing and mercantile ventures while severely limiting the importation of luxuries.

The legislature would “take the lead in this business, and will border it carried on in such manner, and under such regulations, as they in their wisdom shall think most convenient for the welfare, advantage, and well-being of the State.”
Country party leaders introduced a bill that would require everyone in Rhode Island to take an oath supporting paper money.


The Providence Gazette of 6 January 1787 reported that a bill introduced in the December session would abolish all debts and distribute all property equally among heads of families and repeat the process every thirteen years.

And after all this... the Country Party won in a landslide. There's your totalitarian Socialism in America... in 1786.

We were not once upon a time an absolutely moral country where people always worked hard and did not just vote themselves free stuff and elect a bunch of Socialist charlatans mad with power to do it for them.

We did it in 1786. We did it in 2012.

...but just one more item from Rhode Island's radical history.


By paying the public debt in depreciated currency, the Country party had redistributed the state’s wealth.

During its first session in October, the legislature admitted that paper money had depreciated “from various and unforeseen Causes” and that continuing paper money as “a Tender will be productive of the highest Injustice.”

With the same failed result. Guess that's why schools don't teach history anymore

(11-11-2012 09:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Seems socialism was active in the early US

Not to mention early Christianity (See ACTS chapter 4 or any of Christ's teachings)

Still sticking with your ignorance of religion eh, Mr. nut.

(11-11-2012 09:50 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Still sticking with your ignorance of religion eh, Mr. nut.

Forgive me I base my Christianity on the words and life of Christ not Pat Robertson & Jimmy Swaggart

(11-11-2012 10:04 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 09:50 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Still sticking with your ignorance of religion eh, Mr. nut.

Forgive me I base my Christianity on the words and life of Christ not Pat Robertson & Jimmy Swaggart

Acts wasn't the life of Christ, lackwit.

(11-11-2012 10:22 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 10:04 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 09:50 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Still sticking with your ignorance of religion eh, Mr. nut.

Forgive me I base my Christianity on the words and life of Christ not Pat Robertson & Jimmy Swaggart

Acts wasn't the life of Christ, lackwit.

Given that it has been proven over and over again you don't know what the hell is in the Bible, I am not surprised you got this wrong too.

(11-11-2012 10:22 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 10:04 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 09:50 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Still sticking with your ignorance of religion eh, Mr. nut.

Forgive me I base my Christianity on the words and life of Christ not Pat Robertson & Jimmy Swaggart

Acts wasn't the life of Christ, lackwit.

No but it was THE church lead by the Holy Spirit the actual people who lived with Jesus. (I thought the inference was clear) Jesus' word speak for themselves to those who care to listen. Even you Torchy

Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

(11-11-2012 01:04 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

Stealing from others to do so is not. You must be thinking of Robin Hood.

(11-11-2012 02:07 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:04 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

Stealing from others to do so is not. You must be thinking of Robin Hood.

In my opinion, this is the heart of the Christian challenge.

(11-11-2012 01:04 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

If you do those things yourself, you're being Christian. If you steal from me to do so, you're sinning. Enjoy your eternal hell fire.

(11-11-2012 02:45 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:04 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

If you do those things yourself, you're being Christian. If you steal from me to do so, you're sinning. Enjoy your eternal hell fire.

Amen

Mr. Peanut, I want to try and understand what you believe socialism is, or if you have a good resource that can explain.

Can you please explain what it is to me? Thank you.

(11-11-2012 02:45 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:04 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

If you do those things yourself, you're being Christian. If you steal from me to do so, you're sinning. Enjoy your eternal hell fire.

Ah yes, charity through taxation. Only in lefty bizarro world.

(11-11-2012 06:51 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 02:45 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:04 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

If you do those things yourself, you're being Christian. If you steal from me to do so, you're sinning. Enjoy your eternal hell fire.

Ah yes, charity through taxation. Only in lefty bizarro world.

I think there must be a socialist version of the bible that reads like this:
"And Jesus said, 'Don't teach a man to fish, give him a damn fish! Am I right? And look at those fat-cat Romans with their fancy buildings. They should be giving the poor more bread. You don't need to help anyone yourself, that's what we pay taxes for. Forget private charity, it's the government's job to make sure everyone is feed, housed, and taken care of. We just need to make sure those Romans are making everyone pay their fair share! I demand that the Romans raise taxes on the rich! Don't serve others, just be smug in your self-enlightened-ness that the government should take care of others, not you yourself! Amen!"

(11-11-2012 09:33 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Seems socialism was active in the early US

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2012/11/...wrong.html

Quote:Or let's go back to 18th Century Rhode Island and the Country Party which in a time of economic crisis ran on a platform of debt relief by printing money. Their slogan was "To Relieve the Distressed". And they won big.

At its June 1786 session, the legislature passed a penalty act. Anyone refusing to accept the currency at face value was subject to a £100 fine for the first offense, half going to the state and half to “the Person who shall inform.” Conviction of a second offense carried the same fine and disenfranchisement.

The act provided that all paper-money cases were to be tried in special courts without juries and without the right to appeal.

On 13 September 1786, delegates from Providence County towns met in convention at Smithfield to consider the merchants’ continued opposition. The delegates attacked the subversive tendencies “of the mercantile Interest” and proposed that the legislature consider several plans, one of which called for a state-trade system that would have effectively eliminated the merchant class. As envisioned by a writer in the Providence Gazette, the state would own all stores, ships, wharves, shipyards, and the like. A state commission would send ships on fishing and mercantile ventures while severely limiting the importation of luxuries.

The legislature would “take the lead in this business, and will border it carried on in such manner, and under such regulations, as they in their wisdom shall think most convenient for the welfare, advantage, and well-being of the State.”
Country party leaders introduced a bill that would require everyone in Rhode Island to take an oath supporting paper money.


The Providence Gazette of 6 January 1787 reported that a bill introduced in the December session would abolish all debts and distribute all property equally among heads of families and repeat the process every thirteen years.

And after all this... the Country Party won in a landslide. There's your totalitarian Socialism in America... in 1786.

We were not once upon a time an absolutely moral country where people always worked hard and did not just vote themselves free stuff and elect a bunch of Socialist charlatans mad with power to do it for them.

We did it in 1786. We did it in 2012.

...but just one more item from Rhode Island's radical history.


By paying the public debt in depreciated currency, the Country party had redistributed the state’s wealth.

During its first session in October, the legislature admitted that paper money had depreciated “from various and unforeseen Causes” and that continuing paper money as “a Tender will be productive of the highest Injustice.”

With the same failed result. Guess that's why schools don't teach history anymore

Of course it has been around....Ever heard the Bradford account of the "First Thanksgiving"?

Quote:It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have government take money by force through taxes to give money to poor people is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral, self righteous, bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated clothed, and sheltered, and if we’re compassionate we’ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gun point.
- Penn Jillette

Democracy is itself inherently socialist when compared to a monarchy.

(11-11-2012 02:45 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:04 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Caring for the elderly, poor and sick is not a Socialist concept it is a bedrock Christian principle

If you do those things yourself, you're being Christian. If you steal from me to do so, you're sinning. Enjoy your eternal hell fire.

So... correct me here, because I must be wrong. Are you suggesting that taxes are stealing?

And not only that.. if I happen to tax you to help give the poor shelter and healthcare, I'm going to hell?

(11-12-2012 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Democracy is itself inherently socialist when compared to a monarchy.

Good thing we don't have a democracy

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