(10-17-2012 01:36 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(10-17-2012 01:05 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  

(10-17-2012 01:00 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(10-16-2012 10:50 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Mitt has "binders full of women".

And yet there's a gender gap.

I friend of mine put this pretty well - yeah, the "binders full of women" memes going around the internet are funny, but the fact that a man who may very well be the next president of the United States answered a question about whether he supports equal pay for women with "well we need to let women go home early so they can cook dinner" is not funny at all...

Wow, way to take that out of context.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/17...ook-dinner

Actually, I don't think it's out of context at all. (Unlike the "you didn't build that" quote Mitt practically built his entire convention around.)

I agree that he didn't answer the question, which isn't stunning in a debate between those two. But, you don't think the quote you pulled out for your post is out of context?

(10-17-2012 07:17 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  

(10-17-2012 07:16 AM)FanViaThresherSports09 Wrote:  I found that it became 50% less awkward when I switched from TV to radio. There's just nothing good that comes from watching one guy talk while the other struggles to keep as blank a stare as possible.

I could see that. But to me, it was all ridiculous and a complete waste of time.

It was much more informative and entertaining to follow on Twitter. Mainly I was following Begala and Frum.

(10-17-2012 01:39 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  

(10-17-2012 01:36 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Actually, I don't think it's out of context at all. (Unlike the "you didn't build that" quote Mitt practically built his entire convention around.)

I agree that he didn't answer the question, which isn't stunning in a debate between those two. But, you don't think the quote you pulled out for your post is out of context?

IMO, it was an inartful example to use in talking about employers needing to break traditional recruiting molds in order to get the right canidate.

Here's the quote in full context (my emphasis, obviously):

Quote:QUESTION: In what new ways to you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace, specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts earn?

[Obama Answers]

CROWLEY: Governor Romney, pay equity for women?

ROMNEY: Thank you. And important topic, and one which I learned a great deal about, particularly as I was serving as governor of my state, because I had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men.

And I -- and I went to my staff, and I said, "How come all the people for these jobs are -- are all men." They said, "Well, these are the people that have the qualifications." And I said, "Well, gosh, can't we -- can't we find some -- some women that are also qualified?"

And -- and so we -- we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet.

I went to a number of women's groups and said, "Can you help us find folks," and they brought us whole binders full of women.

I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America.

Now one of the reasons I was able to get so many good women to be part of that team was because of our recruiting effort. But number two, because I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school.

She said, I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school. So we said fine. Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.

We're going to have to have employers in the new economy, in the economy I'm going to bring to play, that are going to be so anxious to get good workers they're going to be anxious to hire women. In the -- in the last women have lost 580,000 jobs. That's the net of what's happened in the last four years. We're still down 580,000 jobs. I mentioned 31/2 million women, more now in poverty than four years ago.

What we can do to help young women and women of all ages is to have a strong economy, so strong that employers that are looking to find good employees and bringing them into their workforce and adapting to a flexible work schedule that gives women opportunities that they would otherwise not be able to afford.

This is what I have done. It's what I look forward to doing and I know what it takes to make an economy work, and I know what a working economy looks like. And an economy with 7.8 percent unemployment is not a real strong economy. An economy that has 23 million people looking for work is not a strong economy.

An economy with 50 percent of kids graduating from college that can't finds a job, or a college level job, that's not what we have to have.

CROWLEY: Governor?

ROMNEY: I'm going to help women in America get good work by getting a stronger economy and by supporting women in the workforce.

(10-17-2012 01:39 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  I agree that he didn't answer the question, which isn't stunning in a debate between those two. But, you don't think the quote you pulled out for your post is out of context?

Well, it wasn't even a real quote, more an ironic finger-quote-paraphrase, if I may coin a term.

But yeah, that's the gyst I got from it. "If you're going to have women in the workforce ... sometimes you need to be more flexible" is an odd thing to say. Makes it seem like he'd never worked with women before. Also what about dads? They don't need to help with kids or prepare meals?

And it sounded like he wanted extra credit for his "Hey! Maybe women can do some of these jobs too!"* revelation. Seems like that's a given to me.

Mitt just sounded really out of touch there, IMHO.

*Also an ironic finger-quote-paraphrase, not a direct quote.

Sorry, but these crack me up:

http://static.selfdeprecate.com/wp-conte...r-meme.jpg

There's plenty of reaction out there already, but I found this interesting:

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talking...inder.aspx

(10-17-2012 02:28 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(10-17-2012 01:39 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  I agree that he didn't answer the question, which isn't stunning in a debate between those two. But, you don't think the quote you pulled out for your post is out of context?

Well, it wasn't even a real quote, more an ironic finger-quote-paraphrase, if I may coin a term.

But yeah, that's the gyst I got from it. "If you're going to have women in the workforce ... sometimes you need to be more flexible" is an odd thing to say. Makes it seem like he'd never worked with women before. Also what about dads? They don't need to help with kids or prepare meals?

And it sounded like he wanted extra credit for his "Hey! Maybe women can do some of these jobs too!"* revelation. Seems like that's a given to me.

Mitt just sounded really out of touch there, IMHO.

*Also an ironic finger-quote-paraphrase, not a direct quote.

I am a Romney supporter and I didn't like the way that part of his answer sounded either. But, my goodness, aren't we electing a President? Why is this even being discussed? What do we think our Presidents do? I'd like for him to have sounded more authentic or sympathetic on that question, but I am much more concerned with him or Obama being able to actually lead the country.

(10-17-2012 02:28 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  And it sounded like he wanted extra credit for his "Hey! Maybe women can do some of these jobs too!"* revelation. Seems like that's a given to me.

Sounds to me like an ironic statement of the obvious, like when Obama tells crowds on his campaign stops that "maybe you've heard that we are having an election".

(10-10-2012 09:25 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  a lot.

Hypocrisy. Lack of compassion. Failure to respect personal autonomy. Baseless intrusion. Failure to keep in mind the Golden Rule.

(I was going to respond to the whole post point-by-point, but I'd be typing all night.)

Sigh.