(10-10-2012 04:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Boise State stayed home at 8-4 in 2001. Their bowl experience had been @Boise and @Boise.

In 2003 they successfully lobbied to get released from Boise in order to go to Ft. Worth to play 11-1 TCU who finished #2 in CUSA so they wouldn't have to play 6-6 Georgia Tech.

In 2004 Boise again lobbies to be released from Boise, this time to go to Memphis to play 10-1 Louisville and avoided playing 8-3 Virginia at home

2005 back at home.

2006 BCS

2007 Again passes on Georgia Tech at home to go to Hawaii and play ECU.

2008 passes to go to Poinsettia in part to get Poinsettia to try to the WAC and in part to play 10-2 TCU and passing on 7-5 Maryland.

Boise saw value in not being branded a bowl team that could only draw at home. But what do they know?

Well, you said yourself they played their first two bowls at home.

I guess that means the Cajuns should go to New Orleans one more time. Makes sense to me.

(10-10-2012 06:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its really not ULL's choice at this point. Unless they win the conference. You see it works like this. The champion goes to the New Orleans bowl unless they turn it down. Mobile gets second pick this year. If ULL wins the conference, they can choose to return to New Orleans. They will have earned the right to choose. If they finish second, they'll have to hope that whoever wins it prefers to play in Mobile. If they finish third or below, they probably shouldn't be complaining about their bowl slot, because with more bowl eligible teams than contractual bowl slots, I don't think getting picky is a good idea.

Actually the N.O. Bowl has to chose the conference champion once in the next two years. The only caveat is that if they don't chose the conference champion the conference champion has to have a bowl to play in. In other words, the N.O. Bowl gets the choice, but is only mandatory that they take the conference champion two years out of four.

(10-11-2012 10:00 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 06:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its really not ULL's choice at this point. Unless they win the conference. You see it works like this. The champion goes to the New Orleans bowl unless they turn it down. Mobile gets second pick this year. If ULL wins the conference, they can choose to return to New Orleans. They will have earned the right to choose. If they finish second, they'll have to hope that whoever wins it prefers to play in Mobile. If they finish third or below, they probably shouldn't be complaining about their bowl slot, because with more bowl eligible teams than contractual bowl slots, I don't think getting picky is a good idea.

Actually the N.O. Bowl has to chose the conference champion once in the next two years. The only caveat is that if they don't chose the conference champion the conference champion has to have a bowl to play in. In other words, the N.O. Bowl gets the choice, but is only mandatory that they take the conference champion two years out of four.

Yeah, Tom, he's right.

New Orleans picks first. If the Cajuns are chosen and they haven't won the league, then NO must take the champion next year. Concerning the champion, the league bylaws only state that the champion must be accomodated in a bowl. Doesn't say New Orleans, doesn't say godaddy. In fact, two years ago FIU got the auto bid and was stuck going to Detroit the day after Christmas because neither NO nor Mobile wanted them.

(10-11-2012 10:48 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 10:00 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 06:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its really not ULL's choice at this point. Unless they win the conference. You see it works like this. The champion goes to the New Orleans bowl unless they turn it down. Mobile gets second pick this year. If ULL wins the conference, they can choose to return to New Orleans. They will have earned the right to choose. If they finish second, they'll have to hope that whoever wins it prefers to play in Mobile. If they finish third or below, they probably shouldn't be complaining about their bowl slot, because with more bowl eligible teams than contractual bowl slots, I don't think getting picky is a good idea.

Actually the N.O. Bowl has to chose the conference champion once in the next two years. The only caveat is that if they don't chose the conference champion the conference champion has to have a bowl to play in. In other words, the N.O. Bowl gets the choice, but is only mandatory that they take the conference champion two years out of four.

Yeah, Tom, he's right.

New Orleans picks first. If the Cajuns are chosen and they haven't won the league, then NO must take the champion next year. Concerning the champion, the league bylaws only state that the champion must be accomodated in a bowl. Doesn't say New Orleans, doesn't say godaddy. In fact, two years ago FIU got the auto bid and was stuck going to Detroit the day after Christmas because neither NO nor Mobile wanted them.

and that's exactly what will happen to western if they luck their way to the championship.

I'd go to the bowl in Mobile if WKU got the bid, probably wouldn't for anyone else.

(10-11-2012 10:52 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 10:48 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 10:00 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 06:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its really not ULL's choice at this point. Unless they win the conference. You see it works like this. The champion goes to the New Orleans bowl unless they turn it down. Mobile gets second pick this year. If ULL wins the conference, they can choose to return to New Orleans. They will have earned the right to choose. If they finish second, they'll have to hope that whoever wins it prefers to play in Mobile. If they finish third or below, they probably shouldn't be complaining about their bowl slot, because with more bowl eligible teams than contractual bowl slots, I don't think getting picky is a good idea.

Actually the N.O. Bowl has to chose the conference champion once in the next two years. The only caveat is that if they don't chose the conference champion the conference champion has to have a bowl to play in. In other words, the N.O. Bowl gets the choice, but is only mandatory that they take the conference champion two years out of four.

Yeah, Tom, he's right.

New Orleans picks first. If the Cajuns are chosen and they haven't won the league, then NO must take the champion next year. Concerning the champion, the league bylaws only state that the champion must be accomodated in a bowl. Doesn't say New Orleans, doesn't say godaddy. In fact, two years ago FIU got the auto bid and was stuck going to Detroit the day after Christmas because neither NO nor Mobile wanted them.

and that's exactly what will happen to western if they luck their way to the championship.

My guess is that IF ULM wins the conference the New Orleans Bowl will take the Warhawks. All though I agree that the Cajuns have proven to probably be the better draw in New Orleans, the New Orleans Bowl would probably hedge their bets and take the league champion while its a Louisiana team because if the Cajuns or Warhawks didn't win the SBC next year, then the New Orleans Bowl could be stuck taking a non-Louisiana team that would not travel as well. Also, being ULM's first bowl ever after a season in which we have received tons of national pub, they would expect good exposure for the game. Just my .02 cents.

Your comment about the bowl hedging their bets and taking a Louisiana school may have some merit.

That's a good point.

We could also see a scenario, which, hypothetically, has ULM the Cajuns and WKU all tied at 7-1 in the league.

In that case, NO could take ANY of the three and fulfill its "twice in four years" requirement.

(10-11-2012 01:09 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  Your comment about the bowl hedging their bets and taking a Louisiana school may have some merit.

That's a good point.

We could also see a scenario, which, hypothetically, has ULM the Cajuns and WKU all tied at 7-1 in the league.

In that case, NO could take ANY of the three and fulfill its "twice in four years" requirement.

In which case that would the Cajuns...as we would bring more fans than both ULM and WKU easily.

(10-10-2012 04:07 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 03:48 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  It worked for Boise. Boise played 3 of their first 4 bowls in their own stadium...after that they couldn't give less of a damn if anyone cared about...PR. They made money hand over fist and turned around and pumped it back into their program. Wit hout having those 3 bowl games where they didn't have to travel...they would not be where they are today. Now explain it to me how going to the closest bowl possible is a bad idea?

ArkStfan has more knowledge about this kind of stuff in his little finger than you'll ever have.

Nevermind the fact that in those first three bowl years they won 10, 10 and 12 games and also sat at home at 8-4 in the middle of that run. They're where they are today because over a 13 year period, they failed to win double digit games twice and of those 11 double digit win seasons 7 of them they won 12+. That's why they are where they are. Not because they played in the Humanitarian Bowl three times.

So the fact that they made money hand over fist has nothing to do with the rising of that program from obscurity, especially since it was during the early stages of their programs rise when they needed it the most? Or is this considered flaming?

(10-10-2012 04:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Boise State stayed home at 8-4 in 2001. Their bowl experience had been @Boise and @Boise.

In 2003 they successfully lobbied to get released from Boise in order to go to Ft. Worth to play 11-1 TCU who finished #2 in CUSA so they wouldn't have to play 6-6 Georgia Tech.

In 2004 Boise again lobbies to be released from Boise, this time to go to Memphis to play 10-1 Louisville and avoided playing 8-3 Virginia at home

2005 back at home.

2006 BCS

2007 Again passes on Georgia Tech at home to go to Hawaii and play ECU.

2008 passes to go to Poinsettia in part to get Poinsettia to try to the WAC and in part to play 10-2 TCU and passing on 7-5 Maryland.

Boise saw value in not being branded a bowl team that could only draw at home. But what do they know?

That did more for that program than any rebranding...because without pocketing cash for playing at their home stadium, travel cost charges of zero, and fulfilling any ticket quota with great ease, they do not get a chance to rebrand and change their image.

The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

I don't think bowls think about next year as it leaves too many variables to deal with. They want the money now. Its just my opinion, but I don't see any scenario where the Warhawks bring 40K to the NOB. As long as the records are close, I think the NOB takes the Cajuns and a known income.

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Actaully, NOB would be hedging their bets if they took UL over ULM. Fact, UL sold the most season tickets in the SBC this season. UL has an established record with the NOB, ULM does not. Everything else is either opinon or speculation. Depending upon the matchup, my bet is UL can deliver more income to the NOB then ULM. I can back that by with last years numbers and the fact that SDst. only sold 2,000 tickets.

(10-11-2012 02:23 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Actaully, NOB would be hedging their bets if they took UL over ULM. Fact, UL sold the most season tickets in the SBC this season. UL has an established record with the NOB, ULM does not. Everything else is either opinon or speculation. Depending upon the matchup, my bet is UL can deliver more income to the NOB then ULM. I can back that by with last years numbers and the fact that SDst. only sold 2,000 tickets.

Many of which were bought through the Marshall Faulk Foundation and donated to inner city kids from NOLA.

I do think that ULM would bring a large crowd, but not as large as the Cajuns.

(10-11-2012 02:26 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 02:23 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Actaully, NOB would be hedging their bets if they took UL over ULM. Fact, UL sold the most season tickets in the SBC this season. UL has an established record with the NOB, ULM does not. Everything else is either opinon or speculation. Depending upon the matchup, my bet is UL can deliver more income to the NOB then ULM. I can back that by with last years numbers and the fact that SDst. only sold 2,000 tickets.

Many of which were bought through the Marshall Faulk Foundation and donated to inner city kids from NOLA.

I do think that ULM would bring a large crowd, but not as large as the Cajuns.

Never said that ULM could not travel are large crowd, his premise is ULM would be better financially for the NO. That is strictly opinion or specualtion. We already know what UL can deliver.

(10-11-2012 02:23 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Actaully, NOB would be hedging their bets if they took UL over ULM. Fact, UL sold the most season tickets in the SBC this season. UL has an established record with the NOB, ULM does not. Everything else is either opinon or speculation. Depending upon the matchup, my bet is UL can deliver more income to the NOB then ULM. I can back that by with last years numbers and the fact that SDst. only sold 2,000 tickets.

No one is debating whether or not Louisiana would bring more fans this season, the problem is, if they take a non-champion Louisiana this year, they've locked themselves in to taking the champion next season sight unseen. They could take a champion ULM this year and take a small decrease in ticket sales over what Louisiana might bring this year, but free themseleves to take whomever they wish next year and avoid a potential ticket disaster next year if a team from.much further away or with a smaller fanbase were to win the conference. What's better, getting Louisiana's 35k this year and possibly having to take Middle/Western/Arkansas State or.whomever next year who might bring 15k, or take ULM and perhaps get only 25k this year but be free to take Louisiana next year and get another big crowd.

(10-11-2012 01:44 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  I don't think bowls think about next year as it leaves too many variables to deal with. They want the money now. Its just my opinion, but I don't see any scenario where the Warhawks bring 40K to the NOB. As long as the records are close, I think the NOB takes the Cajuns and a known income.

Bowls probably don't usually think a year ahead but bowls also aren't usually in the situation that New Orleans could be in by taking a non-champion this year, thus locking them in to the champion next year sight unseen.

Anyhow when did Louisiana take 40k to New Orleans? SDSU may have only sold 2k, but there are locals(both individuals as well as businesses) who attend the game every year.

(10-11-2012 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:44 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  I don't think bowls think about next year as it leaves too many variables to deal with. They want the money now. Its just my opinion, but I don't see any scenario where the Warhawks bring 40K to the NOB. As long as the records are close, I think the NOB takes the Cajuns and a known income.

Bowls probably don't usually think a year ahead but bowls also aren't usually in the situation that New Orleans could be in by taking a non-champion this year, thus locking them in to the champion next year sight unseen.

Anyhow when did Louisiana take 40k to New Orleans? SDSU may have only sold 2k, but there are locals(both individuals as well as businesses) who attend the game every year.

And last year they were ALL in Cajuns red. We have a huge alumni base in New Orleans, more than any in other city not named Lafayette. Much of the local crowd at last year's game were Cajun alums and their friends/families.

(10-11-2012 02:43 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  And last year they were ALL in Cajuns red. We have a huge alumni base in New Orleans, more than any in other city not named Lafayette. Much of the local crowd at last year's game were Cajun alums and their friends/families.

I heard even the visitors were wearing red...

PiKapp is dead on - you take ULM if they're the champion. It makes too much sense, and you're free to take Louisiana next season no matter what. Troy fans were saying the exact same things in 2009, but they had been to the NOB the year before and had a decent crowd. They thought they were a lock for it again with the 2009 championship, but the NOB wanted a new team and sent Troy to Mobile instead. I'd assume it was a collaborative effort on the part of both bowls and the conference office to keep things fresh.

Honestly this bowl season will be the most hectic we've ever had, so who knows how it'll work out. Can't wait to see the late November Arkstfan posts about potential sites/matchups.