(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:34 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:28 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 07:58 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Troy and FIU would disagree...Neither team could run on the Cajuns.

I wouldnt totally say that...Yes we had some difficulty but when we turned the Ball over 4 times that left some points off the board for us for sure and added some for you guys.

REMEMBER our QB set a school RECORD in passing yards? 588....doesnt seem like we had too much trouble moving the ball to be honest. We just seem to shoot ourselves in the foot. Not sure about running yards. But when you have 588 passing of course you wouldnt have ran a whole lot anyhow.

The kid threw the ball 70 freakin times..only 3 passes went for over 20 yds... Stop making excuses for the loss.. Yall are better than that.

Z

Im not. we lost. But to say our offense couldnt move the ball on UL is false.

70 times...

Z

588 yards...

(10-02-2012 12:18 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 12:13 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 10:50 PM)Arrowhead Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 10:44 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 10:01 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Who the hell is going to beat them? They are a death machine!

I know there is some sarcasm in there but being at the game in person and see how we adjusted and put a wall up against State in the 2nd half even impressed me.

I guess we'll just have to see. I think ULM is for real, but who knows?

Dude, the cool thing is we have what looks like 5-6 teams that are for real!! I am blown away by this! Your game this weekend with MT is gonna be a barn burner... Conference play..anything can and will happen.

Z

It will be a major shocker if WKU doesn't go undefeated now.

They should be able to just roll through the conference on cruise control.

I dont see it. Keep in mind that teams rarely run through this league, and while the WKU defense was outstanding, I was far from impressed with the offense, especially in the first half.

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:34 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:28 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 07:58 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Troy and FIU would disagree...Neither team could run on the Cajuns.

I wouldnt totally say that...Yes we had some difficulty but when we turned the Ball over 4 times that left some points off the board for us for sure and added some for you guys.

REMEMBER our QB set a school RECORD in passing yards? 588....doesnt seem like we had too much trouble moving the ball to be honest. We just seem to shoot ourselves in the foot. Not sure about running yards. But when you have 588 passing of course you wouldnt have ran a whole lot anyhow.

The kid threw the ball 70 freakin times..only 3 passes went for over 20 yds... Stop making excuses for the loss.. Yall are better than that.

Z

Im not. we lost. But to say our offense couldnt move the ball on UL is false.

70 times...

Z

yo zeeeee.....how many times did they throw the ball?

(10-02-2012 02:31 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:34 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:28 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  I wouldnt totally say that...Yes we had some difficulty but when we turned the Ball over 4 times that left some points off the board for us for sure and added some for you guys.

REMEMBER our QB set a school RECORD in passing yards? 588....doesnt seem like we had too much trouble moving the ball to be honest. We just seem to shoot ourselves in the foot. Not sure about running yards. But when you have 588 passing of course you wouldnt have ran a whole lot anyhow.

The kid threw the ball 70 freakin times..only 3 passes went for over 20 yds... Stop making excuses for the loss.. Yall are better than that.

Z

Im not. we lost. But to say our offense couldnt move the ball on UL is false.

70 times...

Z

yo zeeeee.....how many times did they throw the ball?

70 fracking times.. only 3 completions were over 20 yds..

(10-02-2012 03:19 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 02:31 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:34 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  The kid threw the ball 70 freakin times..only 3 passes went for over 20 yds... Stop making excuses for the loss.. Yall are better than that.

Z

Im not. we lost. But to say our offense couldnt move the ball on UL is false.

70 times...

Z

yo zeeeee.....how many times did they throw the ball?

70 fracking times.. only 3 completions were over 20 yds..

70 mundo-fracking times?????? what up.....could they not establish the run?

(10-02-2012 03:24 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:19 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 02:31 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Im not. we lost. But to say our offense couldnt move the ball on UL is false.

70 times...

Z

yo zeeeee.....how many times did they throw the ball?

70 fracking times.. only 3 completions were over 20 yds..

70 mundo-fracking times?????? what up.....could they not establish the run?

They gave up on that early...as did FIU.

(10-02-2012 03:40 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:24 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:19 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 02:31 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:37 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  70 times...

Z

yo zeeeee.....how many times did they throw the ball?

70 fracking times.. only 3 completions were over 20 yds..

70 mundo-fracking times?????? what up.....could they not establish the run?

They gave up on that early...as did FIU.

Who impressed you more? Troy or FIU?

Who impressed you more? Troy or FIU?
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Troy, without question. Like you said 588 yards of offense. You can't argue with those numbers. But if 250 of those were rushing yards our defense would have been gashed and Troy would have won regardless of the turnovers. Instead it was 588 yards of dink and dunk. You won't really wear down a defense doing that.

FIU is pretty bad, but we were told their lines were going to dominate ours...I'm not sure if they got any sacks and their rushing totals were abysmal. They could do nothing. The turnover battle was even, but when you rush 34 times for 55 yards!!! You won't win much doing that.

So against SBC opponents UL has given up 55 & 60 yards rushing for a per game average of 57.5 Troy had a per carry average of 2.2, FIU had a per carry average of 1.6.

WKU against two opponents I can compare with the two I mention above, USM & Arkansas State, USM gained 163 yards rushing with a 4.5 yards per carry(I'm sure a bunch of this was garbage time yards since ya'll blew em out), and 127 rushing yards against Arkansas State with a 3.3 yards per carry.

Against those two teams WKU put up 369 rushing yards against USM with a 7.7 yards per carry, and 243 rushing yards against Arkansas State with a 5.9 yards per carry.

As a comparison here is what Troy and FIU have done rushing when not playing against UL:

Troy
UAB 262 rushing yards 5.8 ypc
MSU 223 rushing yards 7.4 ypc
UNT 106 rushing yards 3.6 ypc
USA 214 rushing yards 4.2 ypc

201 rushing yard average 5.25 ypc average

FIU
Duke 165 rushing yards 3.7 ypc
Akron 232 rushing yards 4.6 ypc
UCF 152 rushing yards 4.5 ypc
L'ville 128 rushing yards 3.8 ypc

169 rushing yard average 4.15 ypc

These teams are not terrible at running the football...until they play UL.

Now let's look at how WKU has done this year running the ball:

WKU
APU 244 rushing yards 6.3 ypc
Bama 46 rushing yards 1.6 ypc
UK 163 rushing yards 3.2 ypc
USM 369 rushing yards 7.7 ypc
ASU 243 rushing yards 5.9 ypc

213 rushing yard average 4.94 ypc average

Very comparable to Troy (when you remove what Troy had against UL)...and they could do nothing on the ground. FIU is not a monster rushing team but they aren't bad either.

I don't see WKU running on UL...not one bit. The only team that did rush for bunches was Oklahoma State...and they almost ran for 300 yards on Texas.

Few things wrong with your reasoning. Mainly that you put no consideration to opponent or game situation, but also some faulty math.

1. Yards per carry average. You can't just average the ypc for the different games, must do total yardage and total carries. Our real YPC on the season is 5.14.

2. Against APSU the starters were out for almost the entire second half. We could have ran for about any amount we wanted.

3. Against USM the starters left the game mid third quarter. Once again could have ran for way more yardage and ypc for starters was way higher.

4. The only game we have not been able to move the ball on the ground is Alabama. IT IS ALABAMA! They are the clear number 1 team in the country whose strength is their defense, particularly their rush defense. If you take that game out, we are averaging 254.75 yards with a 5.69 ypc and it could be much higher if we had not blown people out.

You may hold us below our average, but we will run the ball on you as we have everyone not ranked #1. I will be incredibly impressed if you hold us to around 4 ypc. The thing about that is 4 ypc moves the sticks all night.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we will not be able to run the ball at all since Bobby is gone

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)wkuengineer Wrote:  Few things wrong with your reasoning. Mainly that you put no consideration to opponent or game situation, but also some faulty math.

1. Yards per carry average. You can't just average the ypc for the different games, must do total yardage and total carries. Our real YPC on the season is 5.14.

2. Against APSU the starters were out for almost the entire second half. We could have ran for about any amount we wanted.

3. Against USM the starters left the game mid third quarter. Once again could have ran for way more yardage and ypc for starters was way higher.

4. The only game we have not been able to move the ball on the ground is Alabama. IT IS ALABAMA! They are the clear number 1 team in the country whose strength is their defense, particularly their rush defense. If you take that game out, we are averaging 254.75 yards with a 5.69 ypc and it could be much higher if we had not blown people out.

You may hold us below our average, but we will run the ball on you as we have everyone not ranked #1. I will be incredibly impressed if you hold us to around 4 ypc. The thing about that is 4 ypc moves the sticks all night.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we will not be able to run the ball at all since Bobby is gone

It will also depend on if we're able to throw the ball. The first half of the ASU game we couldn't move the ball because they had 8 in the box constantly. The reason why is because they had no fear that we could throw it down field. Enter Mauro, and the game changed entirely. So while we're a run first team, that run is predicated on being able to throw the ball occasionally.

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)wkuengineer Wrote:  Few things wrong with your reasoning. Mainly that you put no consideration to opponent or game situation, but also some faulty math.

1. Yards per carry average. You can't just average the ypc for the different games, must do total yardage and total carries. Our real YPC on the season is 5.14.

2. Against APSU the starters were out for almost the entire second half. We could have ran for about any amount we wanted.

3. Against USM the starters left the game mid third quarter. Once again could have ran for way more yardage and ypc for starters was way higher.

4. The only game we have not been able to move the ball on the ground is Alabama. IT IS ALABAMA! They are the clear number 1 team in the country whose strength is their defense, particularly their rush defense. If you take that game out, we are averaging 254.75 yards with a 5.69 ypc and it could be much higher if we had not blown people out.

You may hold us below our average, but we will run the ball on you as we have everyone not ranked #1. I will be incredibly impressed if you hold us to around 4 ypc. The thing about that is 4 ypc moves the sticks all night.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we will not be able to run the ball at all since Bobby is gone

1. 5.14 to 4.94 is an immaterial difference...that should not have detracted you from the actual point.

2. Starters makes no difference...in fact you more than likely ran for more since that's all you do once you have a massive lead. This should also not have detracted you from my original point.

3. See above point...

4. See point 2...had you not been blowing these guys out you wouldn't have run for as much as you did.

Under 4 ypc...should be easy since only Oklahoma State has gotten over that on us so far...and WKU is not and never will be Oklahoma State...regardless of how many times you beat a terrible Kentucky and Southern Miss teams.

I don't think you guys will run the ball on us...but if you go back I worry about Jakes...you guys have always been able to pass on us. I would be worried if you guys can't pass the ball...cause you won't run on us.

(10-02-2012 07:32 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)wkuengineer Wrote:  Few things wrong with your reasoning. Mainly that you put no consideration to opponent or game situation, but also some faulty math.

1. Yards per carry average. You can't just average the ypc for the different games, must do total yardage and total carries. Our real YPC on the season is 5.14.

2. Against APSU the starters were out for almost the entire second half. We could have ran for about any amount we wanted.

3. Against USM the starters left the game mid third quarter. Once again could have ran for way more yardage and ypc for starters was way higher.

4. The only game we have not been able to move the ball on the ground is Alabama. IT IS ALABAMA! They are the clear number 1 team in the country whose strength is their defense, particularly their rush defense. If you take that game out, we are averaging 254.75 yards with a 5.69 ypc and it could be much higher if we had not blown people out.

You may hold us below our average, but we will run the ball on you as we have everyone not ranked #1. I will be incredibly impressed if you hold us to around 4 ypc. The thing about that is 4 ypc moves the sticks all night.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we will not be able to run the ball at all since Bobby is gone

1. 5.14 to 4.94 is an immaterial difference...that should not have detracted you from the actual point.

2. Starters makes no difference...in fact you more than likely ran for more since that's all you do once you have a massive lead. This should also not have detracted you from my original point.

3. See above point...

4. See point 2...had you not been blowing these guys out you wouldn't have run for as much as you did.

Under 4 ypc...should be easy since only Oklahoma State has gotten over that on us so far...and WKU is not and never will be Oklahoma State...regardless of how many times you beat a terrible Kentucky and Southern Miss teams.

I don't think you guys will run the ball on us...but if you go back I worry about Jakes...you guys have always been able to pass on us. I would be worried if you guys can't pass the ball...cause you won't run on us.

Yes we will.

(10-02-2012 07:42 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 07:32 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)wkuengineer Wrote:  Few things wrong with your reasoning. Mainly that you put no consideration to opponent or game situation, but also some faulty math.

1. Yards per carry average. You can't just average the ypc for the different games, must do total yardage and total carries. Our real YPC on the season is 5.14.

2. Against APSU the starters were out for almost the entire second half. We could have ran for about any amount we wanted.

3. Against USM the starters left the game mid third quarter. Once again could have ran for way more yardage and ypc for starters was way higher.

4. The only game we have not been able to move the ball on the ground is Alabama. IT IS ALABAMA! They are the clear number 1 team in the country whose strength is their defense, particularly their rush defense. If you take that game out, we are averaging 254.75 yards with a 5.69 ypc and it could be much higher if we had not blown people out.

You may hold us below our average, but we will run the ball on you as we have everyone not ranked #1. I will be incredibly impressed if you hold us to around 4 ypc. The thing about that is 4 ypc moves the sticks all night.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we will not be able to run the ball at all since Bobby is gone

1. 5.14 to 4.94 is an immaterial difference...that should not have detracted you from the actual point.

2. Starters makes no difference...in fact you more than likely ran for more since that's all you do once you have a massive lead. This should also not have detracted you from my original point.

3. See above point...

4. See point 2...had you not been blowing these guys out you wouldn't have run for as much as you did.

Under 4 ypc...should be easy since only Oklahoma State has gotten over that on us so far...and WKU is not and never will be Oklahoma State...regardless of how many times you beat a terrible Kentucky and Southern Miss teams.

I don't think you guys will run the ball on us...but if you go back I worry about Jakes...you guys have always been able to pass on us. I would be worried if you guys can't pass the ball...cause you won't run on us.

Yes we will.

We ain't Kentucky boy...

And we are not Lamar, Troy or FIU. Little boy

(10-02-2012 07:51 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  And we are not Lamar, Troy or FIU. Little boy

But you will be dispatched back to your hayseed part of the world...and you will once again wish you were playing with a round orange ball. Learn your place...

(10-02-2012 07:59 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 07:51 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  And we are not Lamar, Troy or FIU. Little boy

But you will be dispatched back to your hayseed part of the world...and you will once again wish you were playing with a round orange ball. Learn your place...

We can be fielding 10 blind players With one leg but as long as we have Jakes playing qb leading them during the game against the Cajuns I'm not worried

(10-02-2012 07:59 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 07:51 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  And we are not Lamar, Troy or FIU. Little boy

But you will be dispatched back to your hayseed part of the world...and you will once again wish you were playing with a round orange ball. Learn your place...

We know our place, Your team is our favorite whipping boy.
10/23/10 - WKU 54 - Your boys 21 at your place.

10/22/11 - WKU 42 - Your boys 23 at our place.

(10-02-2012 07:32 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)wkuengineer Wrote:  Few things wrong with your reasoning. Mainly that you put no consideration to opponent or game situation, but also some faulty math.

1. Yards per carry average. You can't just average the ypc for the different games, must do total yardage and total carries. Our real YPC on the season is 5.14.

2. Against APSU the starters were out for almost the entire second half. We could have ran for about any amount we wanted.

3. Against USM the starters left the game mid third quarter. Once again could have ran for way more yardage and ypc for starters was way higher.

4. The only game we have not been able to move the ball on the ground is Alabama. IT IS ALABAMA! They are the clear number 1 team in the country whose strength is their defense, particularly their rush defense. If you take that game out, we are averaging 254.75 yards with a 5.69 ypc and it could be much higher if we had not blown people out.

You may hold us below our average, but we will run the ball on you as we have everyone not ranked #1. I will be incredibly impressed if you hold us to around 4 ypc. The thing about that is 4 ypc moves the sticks all night.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we will not be able to run the ball at all since Bobby is gone

1. 5.14 to 4.94 is an immaterial difference...that should not have detracted you from the actual point.

2. Starters makes no difference...in fact you more than likely ran for more since that's all you do once you have a massive lead. This should also not have detracted you from my original point.

3. See above point...

4. See point 2...had you not been blowing these guys out you wouldn't have run for as much as you did.

Under 4 ypc...should be easy since only Oklahoma State has gotten over that on us so far...and WKU is not and never will be Oklahoma State...regardless of how many times you beat a terrible Kentucky and Southern Miss teams.

I don't think you guys will run the ball on us...but if you go back I worry about Jakes...you guys have always been able to pass on us. I would be worried if you guys can't pass the ball...cause you won't run on us.

Your points might be true for most teams, but we already run for the majority of the time so the play calling doesn't really change. All that really changes is that we have second string instead of first string in.

And once again we are not all the other teams you have played. We are not FIU, Troy, or Lamar. We are a power running football team. And we may never have the program that Oklahoma State has, but this team would not be one bit scared of them. I would guarantee we would not lose by 40 points, as Alabama didn't beat us that bad, and I would be looking for a win.

You should be scared of Jakes, he has torched you the past two years, and he is playing the best ball of his career. But just as Jakes has always passed on you, we have also ran against you. 236 yards last season, and we have the o-linemen and fullback from last season, as well as a great tailback.

(10-02-2012 08:23 PM)wkuengineer Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 07:32 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 05:52 PM)wkuengineer Wrote:  Few things wrong with your reasoning. Mainly that you put no consideration to opponent or game situation, but also some faulty math.

1. Yards per carry average. You can't just average the ypc for the different games, must do total yardage and total carries. Our real YPC on the season is 5.14.

2. Against APSU the starters were out for almost the entire second half. We could have ran for about any amount we wanted.

3. Against USM the starters left the game mid third quarter. Once again could have ran for way more yardage and ypc for starters was way higher.

4. The only game we have not been able to move the ball on the ground is Alabama. IT IS ALABAMA! They are the clear number 1 team in the country whose strength is their defense, particularly their rush defense. If you take that game out, we are averaging 254.75 yards with a 5.69 ypc and it could be much higher if we had not blown people out.

You may hold us below our average, but we will run the ball on you as we have everyone not ranked #1. I will be incredibly impressed if you hold us to around 4 ypc. The thing about that is 4 ypc moves the sticks all night.

But maybe you are right. Maybe we will not be able to run the ball at all since Bobby is gone

1. 5.14 to 4.94 is an immaterial difference...that should not have detracted you from the actual point.

2. Starters makes no difference...in fact you more than likely ran for more since that's all you do once you have a massive lead. This should also not have detracted you from my original point.

3. See above point...

4. See point 2...had you not been blowing these guys out you wouldn't have run for as much as you did.

Under 4 ypc...should be easy since only Oklahoma State has gotten over that on us so far...and WKU is not and never will be Oklahoma State...regardless of how many times you beat a terrible Kentucky and Southern Miss teams.

I don't think you guys will run the ball on us...but if you go back I worry about Jakes...you guys have always been able to pass on us. I would be worried if you guys can't pass the ball...cause you won't run on us.

Your points might be true for most teams, but we already run for the majority of the time so the play calling doesn't really change. All that really changes is that we have second string instead of first string in.

And once again we are not all the other teams you have played. We are not FIU, Troy, or Lamar. We are a power running football team. And we may never have the program that Oklahoma State has, but this team would not be one bit scared of them. I would guarantee we would not lose by 40 points, as Alabama didn't beat us that bad, and I would be looking for a win.

You should be scared of Jakes, he has torched you the past two years, and he is playing the best ball of his career. But just as Jakes has always passed on you, we have also ran against you. 236 yards last season, and we have the o-linemen and fullback from last season, as well as a great tailback.

Third times the charm....

(10-02-2012 08:13 PM)BILLY JOE WHEELER Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 07:59 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 07:51 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  And we are not Lamar, Troy or FIU. Little boy

But you will be dispatched back to your hayseed part of the world...and you will once again wish you were playing with a round orange ball. Learn your place...

We know our place, Your team is our favorite whipping boy.
10/23/10 - WKU 54 - Your boys 21 at your place.

10/22/11 - WKU 42 - Your boys 23 at our place.

Third time's the charm...