(09-25-2012 12:22 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:12 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  Teen pregnancy is a big health issue. However, its not a risk the morning after a perceived conception.

Well, that's why you give the Plan B, so there is no conception and one can avoid the health problems and moral issues involved in either carrying the child to term or having an abortion. In this case, time is of the essence, and I have yet to see anything about Plan B which presents itself as a significant enough danger to offset the true dangers which are possible without it.

The only issue I have with it is that a half assed nurse is supposed to assess and Medicare my daughter without my consent. A phone call would clear this up. She cannot make a rational decision based on her level of development.

Then opt your child out, it's a simple as that. Again, I agree that this policy should be very well known and emphasis should be made that the process to opt out should be made clear to every concerned parent, but we cannot have an 'opt-in' system as that defeats the purpose of giving the teenagers who have no other options than that option. It's there specifically for the teenagers who don't have parents that care and who 'simply calling them' isn't an option.

(09-25-2012 12:22 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:12 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  Teen pregnancy is a big health issue. However, its not a risk the morning after a perceived conception.

Well, that's why you give the Plan B, so there is no conception and one can avoid the health problems and moral issues involved in either carrying the child to term or having an abortion. In this case, time is of the essence, and I have yet to see anything about Plan B which presents itself as a significant enough danger to offset the true dangers which are possible without it.

The only issue I have with it is that a half assed nurse is supposed to assess and Medicare my daughter without my consent. A phone call would clear this up. She cannot make a rational decision based on her level of development.

What if it is incest? Do uyou want the parent that raped the child making that decision?

Robert you really need to shut the f*ck up sometimes because you only hurt whatever you're arguing for.

(09-25-2012 12:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:22 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:12 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  Teen pregnancy is a big health issue. However, its not a risk the morning after a perceived conception.

Well, that's why you give the Plan B, so there is no conception and one can avoid the health problems and moral issues involved in either carrying the child to term or having an abortion. In this case, time is of the essence, and I have yet to see anything about Plan B which presents itself as a significant enough danger to offset the true dangers which are possible without it.

The only issue I have with it is that a half assed nurse is supposed to assess and Medicare my daughter without my consent. A phone call would clear this up. She cannot make a rational decision based on her level of development.

What if it is incest? Do uyou want the parent that raped the child making that decision?

That seems like an extreme scenario and then, wouldn't they likely have another parent?

(09-25-2012 12:32 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Robert you really need to shut the f*ck up sometimes because you only hurt whatever you're arguing for.

This...I thought we were having a good debate until Captain Dipshtt intervened.

It's no different than the other poster who asked WELL WHAT IF ITS THE TEACHER RAPING THE STUDENT AND GIVING THEM PLAN B SO THEY DONT GET PREGNANT?!

Yes, that's clearly a situation we should plan for and change a policy aimed at stopping over 7,000 teen pregnancies over. Glad you saw this problem coming, but what of coke fueled church choir orgies, how do we combat that???!

Preach on Frodo.

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(09-25-2012 12:08 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  claiming it shouldn't be opt-in because ITS UR RIGHT GRRRR.

Actually, I think I made it pretty clear I think it should be opt in.

Keep not having children, Robert. It's something you've done right.

(09-25-2012 12:35 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:32 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Robert you really need to shut the f*ck up sometimes because you only hurt whatever you're arguing for.

This...I thought we were having a good debate until Captain Dipshtt intervened.

We are, and for what it's worth, I really do wish the society was at a place where we could expect every parent to care for their children like they should, and then we could do it as an op-in system. Unfortunately though, we don't, and an opt-in system would ignore those who would most desperately need this program available.

And quite frankly, I'm tired of paying for teen pregnancies when such a safe, effective, and morally acceptable option exists, especially since those most against the policy can simply refuse it for their children if they so choose.

(09-25-2012 12:41 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's no different than the other poster who asked WELL WHAT IF ITS THE TEACHER RAPING THE STUDENT AND GIVING THEM PLAN B SO THEY DONT GET PREGNANT?!

Yes, that's clearly a situation we should plan for and change a policy aimed at stopping over 7,000 teen pregnancies over. Glad you saw this problem coming, but what of coke fueled church choir orgies, how do we combat that???!

What if the school nurse is raping all these girls and he is force medicating them so he doesnt get caught?

(09-25-2012 12:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:08 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  claiming it shouldn't be opt-in because ITS UR RIGHT GRRRR.

Actually, I think I made it pretty clear I think it should be opt in.

You know what I meant. :muttering:

(09-25-2012 12:47 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:41 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's no different than the other poster who asked WELL WHAT IF ITS THE TEACHER RAPING THE STUDENT AND GIVING THEM PLAN B SO THEY DONT GET PREGNANT?!

Yes, that's clearly a situation we should plan for and change a policy aimed at stopping over 7,000 teen pregnancies over. Glad you saw this problem coming, but what of coke fueled church choir orgies, how do we combat that???!

What if the school nurse is raping all these girls and he is force medicating them so he doesnt get caught?

Well they're clearly infringing upon my parental right to choose whether or not i opt my child into the nurse-rape program.

Thanks to Robert the Retard for ruining a good debate.

(09-25-2012 12:33 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:29 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:22 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-25-2012 12:12 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  Teen pregnancy is a big health issue. However, its not a risk the morning after a perceived conception.

Well, that's why you give the Plan B, so there is no conception and one can avoid the health problems and moral issues involved in either carrying the child to term or having an abortion. In this case, time is of the essence, and I have yet to see anything about Plan B which presents itself as a significant enough danger to offset the true dangers which are possible without it.

The only issue I have with it is that a half assed nurse is supposed to assess and Medicare my daughter without my consent. A phone call would clear this up. She cannot make a rational decision based on her level of development.

What if it is incest? Do uyou want the parent that raped the child making that decision?

That seems like an extreme scenario and then, wouldn't they likely have another parent?

Lets also be clear in saying that taking a pill will not cover the real problem in that scenario...

Exactly, but I would rather the teacher give her the Plan B than not, honestly. Of course there are about 10,000 wrong with that scenario to begin with obviously lol

(09-25-2012 01:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Exactly, but I would rather the teacher give her the Plan B than not, honestly. Of course there are about 10,000 wrong with that scenario to begin with obviously lol

Is first trimester abortion legal in NY?

It is in every state per Roe v. Wade (at least, AFAIK), but that's a far more invasive and dangerous procedure than Plan B. And that's not even getting into the morality issue, which Plan B does not fall under because it does not effect the implantation of fertilized eggs.

I agree that its much more invasive but I disagree about the morality issue

(09-25-2012 01:10 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  I agree that its much more invasive but I disagree about the morality issue

That's probably because you are unaware that no research has ever been produced to show that it effects fertilized eggs. None. It's written on the label that way because of pressure from the religious right, but no one has ever shown that to be the case.

EDIT: I meant morality in the 'abortion' sense, not the parental rights sense if that's what you meant.