(09-20-2012 01:17 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 01:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 12:54 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 12:38 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 12:16 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/portland-really-wh...27333.html

Who needs a fulfilling job that you can support yourself on? We've got free hammers!

It's critical we raise the minimum wage so this poor girl can make it.

Actually, it looks like she makes a decent wage given that she has an Apple computer. It seems to me she enjoys her life as it is now and moving elsewhere just to make more isn't really worth it to her. It is a difficult concept for you given that your philosophies are "greed is good" and "you need to be wealthy to be considered successful". Personally, I find it quite sad that you think that way.

You then DO ascribe to Randian philosophy. This girl's motivation is clearly that of self interest. I also fully support her in her choice.

Not exactly. Ayn Rand is about greed. THis woman seems to be giving up the greed to be happy. Of course, I do question her choice of computers but that is for another thread. :)

Objectivism is about self interest...period. There are a variety of outcomes caused by one's self interest. Greed is just as valid on the list as Lust or one of countless other outcomes. This is another misnomer that has been touted for so long that people now buy it as fact.

This young lady is not "giving up" anything. She is pursuing something...Happiness. Her self interest is driving that. Rand would applaud her.

I agree. She likes where she is right now, and she's working for it.

I don't see the problem.

(09-20-2012 12:46 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Sounds like a nice place to live. I can understand why you would bash it because everybody should be greedy and strive to be billionaires. We know you can't stand the thought of public transit. Heaven forbid someone not drive a gas guzzler! Oh, and the tools! My God! Borrowing them for "free"! THe horror!

Rob, who's the greedy one - the billionaire who earned his own money or the pauper living off of other people's work?

(09-20-2012 02:30 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I agree. She likes where she is right now, and she's working for it.

I don't see the problem.

The problem might come when she starts having babies, health issues, etc. That's when the expensive expectations kick in.

(09-20-2012 03:08 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 12:46 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Sounds like a nice place to live. I can understand why you would bash it because everybody should be greedy and strive to be billionaires. We know you can't stand the thought of public transit. Heaven forbid someone not drive a gas guzzler! Oh, and the tools! My God! Borrowing them for "free"! THe horror!

Rob, who's the greedy one - the billionaire who earned his own money or the pauper living off of other people's work?

It seems the things the city supports that this girl sees attractive are things the citizens value. ergo.. Value for Value. I see nothing wrong with that..so I'm not ready submit that she is living off others labors. She does have job and she admits she is self sufficient. I simply do not have enough information to make that judgment. I don't see her complaining either. That should say volumes. Most moochers are constantly complaining that more should be done for them.

(09-20-2012 03:09 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 02:30 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I agree. She likes where she is right now, and she's working for it.

I don't see the problem.

The problem might come when she starts having babies, health issues, etc. That's when the expensive expectations kick in.

Yes..and her self interest would change with that paradigm.

(09-20-2012 03:19 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 03:09 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 02:30 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I agree. She likes where she is right now, and she's working for it.

I don't see the problem.

The problem might come when she starts having babies, health issues, etc. That's when the expensive expectations kick in.

Yes..and her self interest would change with that paradigm.

Yep.

(09-20-2012 02:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Objectivism is about self interest...period. There are a variety of outcomes caused by one's self interest. Greed is just as valid on the list as Lust or one of countless other outcomes. This is another misnomer that has been touted for so long that people now buy it as fact.

This young lady is not "giving up" anything. She is pursuing something...Happiness. Her self interest is driving that. Rand would applaud her.

But now you just confused Rob. He was told that Ayn Rand was all about greed. Don't try and make him think. He could get hurt. Thankfully, his stupidity is not contagious.

(09-20-2012 02:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 01:38 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 01:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I also fully support her in her choice.

I find it immoral to live well from the theft of others.

I fully understand that POV. I don't however hold ill will against bureaucrats. I hold the ill will against the system.

The bureaucrats are the system. I don't see how you can't hold them accountable, there is no "system" that is responsible, it's people.

http://www.debunkingportland.com/

(09-20-2012 12:35 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  Communal socialism and Libertarianism have some common ground.

Yes, they do.

Which is a substantial reason why conservatives and libertarians are never completely at home with one another.

(09-20-2012 06:04 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 02:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 01:38 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 01:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I also fully support her in her choice.

I find it immoral to live well from the theft of others.

I fully understand that POV. I don't however hold ill will against bureaucrats. I hold the ill will against the system.

The bureaucrats are the system. I don't see how you can't hold them accountable, there is no "system" that is responsible, it's people.

http://www.debunkingportland.com/

For clarity...I should have said government workers...not bureaucrats. I tend lump them all in the same boat. Most government employees are just trying to make a living.

(09-20-2012 08:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 12:35 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  Communal socialism and Libertarianism have some common ground.

Yes, they do.

Which is a substantial reason why conservatives and libertarians are never completely at home with one another.

Libertarians are at home with any one that proscribes to the principle of non aggression. It IS the guiding tenet of that philosophy. The problem is...NEITHER of the two parties do. They cherry pick all around it but fail to fully embrace it.

For a moment, I thought this was a thread about the IFC show...

Which had it's very funny moments (and some very painful to watch ones).