http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-5...obamacare/

If he can admit that certain parts of Obama's plan are fine, then I think most of you should be able to admit it too. It's okay to hate the whole concept but concede that certain elements of it are fine and should continue regardless of our government leadership.

I'm okay with some of it. Most of us righties can say we like part of something without endorsing everything. It's only the Obama sycophants who have problems with this.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

He should like it. He created one just like it when he was governor.

(09-09-2012 09:37 AM)TOGC Wrote:  He should like it. He created one just like it when he was governor.

+1
The phoney.

(09-09-2012 09:37 AM)TOGC Wrote:  He should like it. He created one just like it when he was governor.

Oh really?

Massachusetts has an Independent Payment Advisory Board?
Massachusetts has a Health Choices Commission?
Massachusetts has a Comparative Outcomes Council?

(09-09-2012 09:34 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I'm okay with some of it. Most of us righties can say we like part of something without endorsing everything. It's only the Obama sycophants who have problems with this.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

Riiiiiiiight.

I find the 2 items he mentioned OK.

One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage, the other would allow young adults to keep their coverage under their parents' health-insurance.

The rest of ObamaCare blows.

The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Republican plan: let the people have a heart attack or get cancer before getting care.

(09-09-2012 06:22 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Republican plan: let the people have a heart attack or get cancer before getting care.

How do any of these items deny anyone health care or health insurance. If the solution isn't market based, it will always require more and more taxes to keep it alive. Obamacare gives 6 years of benefits by collecting 10 years of taxes. It was flawed from day 1.

(09-09-2012 06:22 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Republican plan: let the people have a heart attack or get cancer before getting care.

Well people typically don't seek care until they have the heart attack or get the cancer. Otherwise, how would they know to get the care?

(09-09-2012 06:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 06:22 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Republican plan: let the people have a heart attack or get cancer before getting care.

Well people typically don't seek care until they have the heart attack or get the cancer. Otherwise, how would they know to get the care?

THey are called annual check-ups. Which is something that was not in his plan. It was only treat the problem after it occurs and not prevention. This country needs a healthcare plan not an insurance plan that covers nothing until you get sick.

(09-09-2012 08:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 06:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 06:22 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Republican plan: let the people have a heart attack or get cancer before getting care.

Well people typically don't seek care until they have the heart attack or get the cancer. Otherwise, how would they know to get the care?

THey are called annual check-ups. Which is something that was not in his plan. It was only treat the problem after it occurs and not prevention. This country needs a healthcare plan not an insurance plan that covers nothing until you get sick.

Does Car Insurance cover oil changes, does homeowners insurance cover plumbing repairs NO!!!! Insurance is a supposed to be a safety net that covers MAJOR EXPENSES not routine and recurring expenses. IF providers could lower their costs by being paid for major services and lower malpractice insurance, then routine services could again be something most people could pay like the good old days up till about 1980 when an office visit might cost a couple hours pay for the average worker at most.

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Tort reform would only reduce health care costs by 4% even in the most generous estimates.

(09-09-2012 08:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 06:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 06:22 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivablesproviders have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Republican plan: let the people have a heart attack or get cancer before getting care.

Well people typically don't seek care until they have the heart attack or get the cancer. Otherwise, how would they know to get the care?

THey are called annual check-ups. Which is something that was not in his plan. It was only treat the problem after it occurs and not prevention. This country needs a healthcare plan not an insurance plan that covers nothing until you get sick.

I don't understand where you get that from? I don't know of any instances where they require you to get insurance that doesn't cover you until your sick. Many plans would rather you get those preventative services than get sick.

(09-09-2012 06:22 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2012 05:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  The goal should be to

1) Make Health Insurance more affordable by making it Insurance NOT some kind of healthcare program.
2) Make Healthcare more affordable by tort reform and reducing the red tape caused by meritless law suits
3) Reduce Healthcare cost getting more people insured thus reducing the amount of patient receivables providers have to write-off raising the cost of insurance and those insured.
4) Get gubment out of the way.

Republican plan: let the people have a heart attack or get cancer before getting care.

Robert, that's just an idiotic comment, because that is nowhere close to being true. Not even remotely close.

So which end do you want covered for free, Robert? The inexpensive check-up or the expensive cancer treatment? Obama (and everyone else) is passing these costs on. Which do you want to come out of your pocket?

(09-09-2012 09:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  So which end do you want covered for free, Robert? The inexpensive check-up or the expensive cancer treatment? Obama (and everyone else) is passing these costs on. Which do you want to come out of your pocket?

Ah, trying to get me on the "free" comment. Sorry, won't work.

(09-09-2012 09:34 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I'm okay with some of it. Most of us righties can say we like part of something without endorsing everything. It's only the Obama sycophants who have problems with this.

Nope... I'm not okay with it. This is one of those things where I'll just have to consider the lesser of two evils...

They needed the simple "Tort Reform" and the simple "allow insurance across state lines" and I would have been happy to have it _stop_ there.

Affordable health care is a myth.

The reality is that a person will spend everything they have to stay alive. They will spend everything the rest of us have as well if it is available.

That is simply human nature. It isn't going to change. For that reason, health care will never be "affordable". There will always be treatments out of the reach of some people.

The only question is how best to ration the supply? We allow the market to do this with food, shelter, clothing, and entertainment. For some reason we don't think the market can do this with health care. Well, it can, and it does.

I submit that the market is just as fair and equitable as government rationed care would be. That's not because I think the market does a fair job. It's because I am equally certain the government will not do a fair job.