(08-20-2012 03:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  East Carolina?

I'd be down with ECU, but it's not up to me. If western stability is the most important thing, then I'm betting heavy on a western team. I just hope we don't rush into anything.

ECU would kill our television contract. They're a small market team and don't move the needle nationally. Outside of the folks in that part of Carolina, no one cares.

(08-20-2012 08:39 PM)Jassbale Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 03:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  East Carolina?

I'd be down with ECU, but it's not up to me. If western stability is the most important thing, then I'm betting heavy on a western team. I just hope we don't rush into anything.

I dont think its just about western stability. Its about start times. Theres a real demand for late start times.

Right now we only have 2 teams out west and just 3 in the Central time zone. Of the western teams, one is the Mountain time zone and only one in the Pacific time zone. In order to have enough late start inventory we need at least one more western team. In a perfect world, we would probably prefer a school in the Pacific time zone, but a Mountain time zone would probably do.

I say that because we are not about to tell BYU forget it just because they are not in the Pacific time zone.

I wouldn't be upset if ECU was accepted to the Big East. They have a great following and can be very competitive on the field consistently. Markets aside, they are a good football program.

With that said, the NBE needs BYU more than any other school. Personally I have never even watched an entire game of theirs, but it is impossible to find a better program out West that has the same fan support. The BE needs to have a solid footing out west and I think that BYU is the only school that seems available to fill those shoes. So, I hope that it's BYU because of its location and it's fan support. Outside of those two qualities I could not tell you more than three things I like about them. I can if we're talking about ECU.

If I were forced to take a CUSA team, it would be USM long before ECU. At least they are good at football.

(08-20-2012 09:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 08:39 PM)Jassbale Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 03:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  East Carolina?

I'd be down with ECU, but it's not up to me. If western stability is the most important thing, then I'm betting heavy on a western team. I just hope we don't rush into anything.

I dont think its just about western stability. Its about start times. Theres a real demand for late start times.

Right now we only have 2 teams out west and just 3 in the Central time zone. Of the western teams, one is the Mountain time zone and only one in the Pacific time zone. In order to have enough late start inventory we need at least one more western team. In a perfect world, we would probably prefer a school in the Pacific time zone, but a Mountain time zone would probably do.

I say that because we are not about to tell BYU forget it just because they are not in the Pacific time zone.

I think that in the end that will be the driving force behind the 14th team. Help for BSU and SDSU. However, if start times are that much of a concern, im sure if you told ECU you can join the Big East but all your home games have to start at 10pm eastern they'd still say "sign me up"

(08-20-2012 08:55 PM)TOGC Wrote:  ECU would kill our television contract. They're a small market team and don't move the needle nationally. Outside of the folks in that part of Carolina, no one cares.

Really? I think you're putting too much of an onus on one school. I mean the general justification for our large contract is the need for inventory on NBC, etc. If that's the major force, what does it it really change if you add anyone? How would adding ECU as opposed just the 13 schools change that?

Nobody for #14 really kills the contract. BYU kicks it up some. The rest are a wash. But BYU and AFA are obviously 1-2 right now, and I think Fresno, could eventually jump in there, if it got that far.

After that, I think Southern Miss is a better choice than ECU. USM has consistently been good for decades. ECU actually has a losing record in the past 10 years, with just a couple of 9-win seasons. And USM is better in BB than ECU, if we're going with an eastern all-sports.

I still think it will be BYU, though.

(08-20-2012 09:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Nobody for #14 really kills the contract. BYU kicks it up some. The rest are a wash. But BYU and AFA are obviously 1-2 right now, and I think Fresno, could eventually jump in there, if it got that far.

After that, I think Southern Miss is a better choice than ECU. USM has consistently been good for decades. ECU actually has a losing record in the past 10 years, with just a couple of 9-win seasons. And USM is better in BB than ECU, if we're going with an eastern all-sports.

I still think it will be BYU, though.

That's really my point. I'd obviously rather have whichever school would give us the best deal, which would seem to be BYU. I think after that, it's really not much a difference contract wise.
If ECU is the one added, so be it. I'm ok with that. If Terry had of brought up USM, I'd be fine with that, too. However, I think it will come down to anchoring a western section of the Big East.

My list? (aka the real list) If not BYU or Air Force then Fresno. If not Fresno then Tulsa.

(08-20-2012 09:42 PM)Jassbale Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 08:55 PM)TOGC Wrote:  ECU would kill our television contract. They're a small market team and don't move the needle nationally. Outside of the folks in that part of Carolina, no one cares.

Really? I think you're putting too much of an onus on one school. I mean the general justification for our large contract is the need for inventory on NBC, etc. If that's the major force, what does it it really change if you add anyone? How would adding ECU as opposed just the 13 schools change that?

ECU wouldn't add any more viewers. Look at the schools that were added. Almost all of them (not all, but most) were from top 50 television markets.

Greenville, Hattiesburg, and Huntington may be packed on game day, but no one outside those three tiny cities gives a damn.

Not to mention that ECU is built on smoke and mirrors. They won the CUSA title in 2008 and 2009, but have had six losing seasons in the last ten years. The last ten years they've gone 56-69. If we're going to add a small market team, they'd better be a heck of a lot better than sub-.500.

(08-20-2012 09:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Nobody for #14 really kills the contract. BYU kicks it up some. The rest are a wash. But BYU and AFA are obviously 1-2 right now, and I think Fresno, could eventually jump in there, if it got that far.

After that, I think Southern Miss is a better choice than ECU. USM has consistently been good for decades. ECU actually has a losing record in the past 10 years, with just a couple of 9-win seasons. And USM is better in BB than ECU, if we're going with an eastern all-sports.

I still think it will be BYU, though.

I check out this forum but rarely post; with that said, I have to respond to this one.

ECU went to bowl games in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010. That's seven bowls in the past 10 seasons that have been played. Our losing record happened during JT's tenure (which I have tried to block from memory). To say that we would not add anything to the football equation is absurd. In fact USM and ECU would add quite a bit...

It will be BYU or Air Force, football-only. They are the only ones that make any sense. My money is on BYU, unless UL bolts. If UL goes, the "Big East" as you know it will dissolve and there will be NO addition of BYU or Air Force.

Fresno may be out of the picture, although they would be a good get as well.

I'll be rooting for Memphis in the BE. Fuente will hopefully work out and your basketball will enjoy renewed rivalries with UL and Cinci. Congrats.

ECU will be just fine....

I'd take BYU first..............................AFA second.......................................................................and I can't think of anyone else for third.

(08-20-2012 09:58 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 09:42 PM)Jassbale Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 08:55 PM)TOGC Wrote:  ECU would kill our television contract. They're a small market team and don't move the needle nationally. Outside of the folks in that part of Carolina, no one cares.

Really? I think you're putting too much of an onus on one school. I mean the general justification for our large contract is the need for inventory on NBC, etc. If that's the major force, what does it it really change if you add anyone? How would adding ECU as opposed just the 13 schools change that?

ECU wouldn't add any more viewers. Look at the schools that were added. Almost all of them (not all, but most) were from top 50 television markets.

Greenville, Hattiesburg, and Huntington may be packed on game day, but no one outside those three tiny cities gives a damn.

Not to mention that ECU is built on smoke and mirrors. They won the CUSA title in 2008 and 2009, but have had six losing seasons in the last ten years. The last ten years they've gone 56-69. If we're going to add a small market team, they'd better be a heck of a lot better than sub-.500.

One more reply...

To say that ECU is built on smoke-and-mirrors is also absurd. Dear God, while Memphis was losing to Arky State (before Freeze, correct?) we were playing out of conference schedules that consisted of USC, UNC, NCSU, WVU, Miami, UVA and VPI; not to mention that we were also playing tough UL and USM teams. I'll never claim that we are the Boise State of the East... but give me a break; if you're going to ramble on against someone, at least know what you are talking about. You sound like the Obama/Biden team talking about ways that we can grow the economy: use empty rhetoric, twist the facts and then attack irrationally with the emotions of a hormonal woman.

Oh, one other thing: in 2009 and 2010, ECU had ratings of 7 or higher in the Raleigh market (higher than NCSU) and ratings of 5 or higher in Charlotte. Don't forget that we've also had nice deals with ESPN and MASN in the past.; we would not have got those if folks did not watch. We are not Notre Dame... but we get our share of interest; I'm willing to bet that overall share is better than Memphis's is to date.

Good luck this season; y'all should be improved.

ECU has had six losing seasons in the last ten, including the last two in a row.

Memphis is already in so we have nothing left to prove. ECU needs to start winning some games because right now your resume is awful. It should be a lot easier now with schools like UNT, LaTech, ODU, and Charlotte joining the fold.

I agree that ECU would not add any meaningful media, but I'm also not exactly sure how Memphis got in either. I thought maybe Memphis was a logical, regional replacement for a Louisville team that was leaving for the Big XII . . . wait they didn't leave?

Sigh, never fails, TOGC starts talking **** about ECU (because he HATES them...for whatever reason) and here come the Memphis attacks (not the TOGC attacks that are warranted). This is the internet, TOGC does not care one iota about whatever comebacks anyone has about Memphis, his goal is to berate ECU, putting Memphis down (like we need to be kicked anymore after the last three years) serves no purpose. We got in, we should have been added in 2003, we were close again in 2010, Memphis was eventually going to get into the BE, good football or not, let's just leave it at that mmmkay. Talk **** about TOGC all you want, he's a big boy, he can take it as much as he can dish it, but if all you have is putting Memphis down then you've already lost the debate with him and instead just pissed off a bunch of people who otherwise didn't care.

There's some common ground here, I couldn't care less about Memphis or its abysmal performance in the last few years. And I don't think I'm alone either . . .

There's really no need to read more into my post than what I wrote. It's late and I was having fun at another members' expense, that's all. I guess I'm not up with all the apparent trash talking between ECU and Memphis fans on bbs. That seems like it would be a pathetic read actually.

What we can't joke around here?

(08-21-2012 12:28 AM)Fireman451 Wrote:  There's some common ground here, I couldn't care less about Memphis or its abysmal performance in the last few years. And I don't think I'm alone either . . .

There's really no need to read more into my post than what I wrote. It's late and I was having fun at another members' expense, that's all. I guess I'm not up with all the apparent trash talking between ECU and Memphis fans on bbs. That seems like it would be a pathetic read actually.

What we can't joke around here?

You're exemplifying my point, it's not ECU vs Memphis, it's TOGC vs ECU. Please leave Memphis out of it, he's a fan of the school, he does not, however, speak for the school or the rest of the fanbase. Every time he starts this ****, the rest of us get dumped on, I'm pointing it out before the thread degenerates into how ******* ****** Memphis is, we get it, it's a dead horse already.

(08-20-2012 09:59 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 09:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Nobody for #14 really kills the contract. BYU kicks it up some. The rest are a wash. But BYU and AFA are obviously 1-2 right now, and I think Fresno, could eventually jump in there, if it got that far.

After that, I think Southern Miss is a better choice than ECU. USM has consistently been good for decades. ECU actually has a losing record in the past 10 years, with just a couple of 9-win seasons. And USM is better in BB than ECU, if we're going with an eastern all-sports.

I still think it will be BYU, though.

I check out this forum but rarely post; with that said, I have to respond to this one.

ECU went to bowl games in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010. That's seven bowls in the past 10 seasons that have been played. Our losing record happened during JT's tenure (which I have tried to block from memory). To say that we would not add anything to the football equation is absurd. In fact USM and ECU would add quite a bit...

It will be BYU or Air Force, football-only. They are the only ones that make any sense. My money is on BYU, unless UL bolts. If UL goes, the "Big East" as you know it will dissolve and there will be NO addition of BYU or Air Force.

Fresno may be out of the picture, although they would be a good get as well.

I'll be rooting for Memphis in the BE. Fuente will hopefully work out and your basketball will enjoy renewed rivalries with UL and Cinci. Congrats.

ECU will be just fine....

Nobody said that. I certainly didn't. Quit making up things to argue with. And if you want to argue bowl games, Memphis went to 5 in 6 years in the time period you mentioned.

All I said was it should be BYU, then AFA, then maybe Fresno or USM before ECU.

And you think if Louisville leaves, the Big East will dissolve?

What, do you think the rest of the teams will disappear? The key going forward depends on football, not basketball. UL would hurt in BB, but we could add Xavier, Butler, etc. if necessary, and we still have lots of quality BB teams. In football, it would not be a huge loss.