(08-11-2012 12:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: What's Ryan's background? Was he born with a silver spoon in his mouth too?
Well according to wikipedia, Ryan was born to a lawyer and a homemaker. He was probably well off but he wasn't born Romney rich or with Romney connections (he's pretty deeply entrenched within LDS and they take care of you when you have his sort of lineage).
(08-11-2012 12:19 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Giving tax breaks to the rich while cutting entitlements............. How do you think that's going to play with the electorate that will decide the election? You are talking about the soft 10-20% that doesn't pay a whole lot of attention. This is just a disastrous pick. Democrats are high fiving across the country. Game set match.
First, you obviously don't know anything about what he has proposed in the past. Thats quite clear.
Second, he has been one of the only people to put forth any proposals to fix what is sinking this country.
Third, you obviously don't mind being affiliated with a party who pimps entitlements to people to get there vote. This isn't about winning or losing for a party fool, this is about fixing what the hell is broken to keep this country going.
(08-11-2012 12:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: What's Ryan's background? Was he born with a silver spoon in his mouth too?
No.
Quote:Born and raised in the community of Janesville; Ryan is a
fifth-generation Wisconsin native.
* Ryan moonlighted on Capitol Hill as a waiter at the Tortilla Coast
restaurant and as a fitness trainer at Washington Sport and Health
Club.
* One of Ryan's summer jobs in college was as an Oscar Mayer
salesman in Minnesota, peddling turkey bacon and a new line
called "Lunchables" to supermarkets.
* Ryan worked as a marketing consultant for his family's construction business before being elected to Congress. The company -- Ryan Incorporated Central -- began as an earthmoving business created by his great-grandfather in 1884.
08-11-2012 01:04 PM
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(08-11-2012 12:19 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Giving tax breaks to the rich while cutting entitlements............. How do you think that's going to play with the electorate that will decide the election? You are talking about the soft 10-20% that doesn't pay a whole lot of attention. This is just a disastrous pick. Democrats are high fiving across the country. Game set match.
This isn't about winning or losing for a party fool, this is about fixing what the hell is broken to keep this country going.
That would be great if it were true. But neither party really cares about fixing anything.
To put my cynicism aside for a moment, I'll give his proposals their due diligence and I'll read up on them before I comment on them directly.
I like Ryan. He's the first Republican since Reagan to come up with ideas and be able to articulate them. The problem is at the top of the ticket. Dukakis/Benson should remind you that the likeability of the VP candidate won't help the guy at the top. Also, age difference with Biden will be difficult to overcome. I submit Bush/Ferraro, Bentson/Quayle, Cheney/Edwards, Biden/Palin as example of how the elder politician schools the younger politician.
(08-11-2012 12:19 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Giving tax breaks to the rich while cutting entitlements............. How do you think that's going to play with the electorate that will decide the election? You are talking about the soft 10-20% that doesn't pay a whole lot of attention. This is just a disastrous pick. Democrats are high fiving across the country. Game set match.
This isn't about winning or losing for a party fool, this is about fixing what the hell is broken to keep this country going.
That would be great if it were true. But neither party really cares about fixing anything.
To put my cynicism aside for a moment, I'll give his proposals their due diligence and I'll read up on them before I comment on them directly.
I'm no big republican fan but they are the only party who has put forth any effort for any type of entitlement reform ideas. The leftists want to increase the damn entitlements. You saw what happens when someone like Ryan actually proposes reform....he's throwing grandma off the cliff.
(08-11-2012 12:19 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Giving tax breaks to the rich while cutting entitlements............. How do you think that's going to play with the electorate that will decide the election? You are talking about the soft 10-20% that doesn't pay a whole lot of attention. This is just a disastrous pick. Democrats are high fiving across the country. Game set match.
This isn't about winning or losing for a party fool, this is about fixing what the hell is broken to keep this country going.
That would be great if it were true. But neither party really cares about fixing anything.
To put my cynicism aside for a moment, I'll give his proposals their due diligence and I'll read up on them before I comment on them directly.
I'm no big republican fan but they are the only party who has put forth any effort for any type of entitlement reform ideas. The leftists want to increase the damn entitlements. You saw what happens when someone like Ryan actually proposes reform....he's throwing grandma off the cliff.
You're not wrong at all with this. But I predict that a democrat comes up with a good reform idea and the GOP does the same thing.
08-11-2012 01:18 PM
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To beat Obama, Romney has to improve on McCain's margin among older voters, and Democrats believe that will be simply impossible if he has to defend the Ryan budget every day between now and Nov. 6.
Why rise of Paul Ryan, Chris Christie signals trouble for Romney (Christian Science Monitor):
Democrats ... are salivating over Ryan as the veep choice. His plan to turn Medicare into a voucher-like system led to a memorable ad showing a Ryan look-alike pushing Grandma in her wheelchair off a cliff. That ad, and many more like it, would surely come back.
Paul Ryan Would Be a Risky VP Choice For Romney (U.S. News & World Report):
Ryan's proposals play right into the "Romney Hood" theme Obama has been using on the campaign trail. His tax proposals could easily be characterized as cutting taxes on the wealthy while raising them on the middle class.
Paul Ryan: Romney's (Near) Worst VP Choice (Daily Beast):
The clamor you are hearing for Paul Ryan for VP is not about helping the Romney candidacy. It's about controlling the Romney campaign--and ultimately the Romney presidency.
Why a Paul Ryan VP Selection Wouldn't Add Up for Mitt Romney (Atlantic):
He's never run in any constituency larger his congressional district, which centers on a town where his family has been prominent for generations. While he might be a very effective nationwide campaigner, he's simply not proven.
Paul Ryan's Washington lineage could be risk for Mitt Romney (Politico):
Ryan, 42, has spent the bulk of his career in the capital. The House Budget Committee chairman has been in Congress since he was 28 and before that did stints as a congressional staffer and at the late Jack Kemp's think tank, Empower America.
Paul Ryan Is a Great Choice (Daily Beast):
The only thing Ryan has going for him, as that one poll found a little while ago that I can't seem to find this morning, is that a near-majority of people don't actually believe that Ryan has proposed what he's proposed because it's all so radical that people don't believe a politician would propose such things.
The Truth About Paul Ryan (The Progressive):
Ryan is a devotee of Ayn Rand, the literary icon of pure and ruthless free market policies. He has even made Atlas Shrugged required reading for his staff.
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We need entitlement reform. You can start with eliminating ObamaCare. I never expected to see a nickel of my Social Security deductions so I saved accordingly.
We need to reform Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and end the Welfare State. Too many people are expecting a hand out from Government in forms of Food Stamps, Ag subsidies, Obama-Phone, -all products of redistribution policies and laws. We need to cut garbage out of the DoD Budget too
We need to cut this garbage now otherwise we will be Greece in 3 years.
(08-11-2012 01:43 PM)Max Power Wrote: The Obama campaign already has a good ad out
For dolts like yourself
Extreme budget? Laughable.
Hey putz, how many votes did Obama budget get? When was the last budget passed in the Senate? When's the last time a leftist put out a plan for entitlement reform?
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Nobody cares that Obama hasn't passed a budget. People care that Paul Ryan wants to end Medicare as we know it and raise taxes on the poor and middle class to pay for tax cuts for the rich. A lot of people.
(08-11-2012 02:00 PM)Max Power Wrote: Nobody cares that Obama hasn't passed a budget. People care that Paul Ryan wants to end Medicare as we know it and raise taxes on the poor and middle class to pay for tax cuts for the rich. A lot of people.
Wow, you're a bigger moron than I first thought
You care to answer any of those questions?
Hear are a few more you have consistently not answered in other threads:
(08-11-2012 02:00 PM)Max Power Wrote: Nobody cares that Obama hasn't passed a budget. People care that Paul Ryan wants to end Medicare as we know it and raise taxes on the poor and middle class to pay for tax cuts for the rich. A lot of people.
Well at some point we're going to have to end Medicare as we know it. Might as well start something new sooner than later.
The Independent Payment Advisory Board set up by Obamacare's purpose is to find ways to cut Medicare costs and find more efficient ways to deliver healthcare, without cutting benefits or charging Medicare recipients. So yes Dems have enacted entitlement reform.
08-11-2012 02:21 PM
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