(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

I admit, it's a step in some direction and it's more than likely not the right way. I wonder, percentage wise, how much of this bill is actually helping those that need help. Face it, this bill is painted really pretty with all the talk of expanded coverage and things we actually do need. Chip some of that paint away and you'll see a machine churning out and expanding new bureaucracies, filled with new bureaucrats, and demanding your tax money plus borrowing from others.

It is a TON more than giving people coverage.

(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

thats the idea? please explain

(07-10-2012 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

thats the idea? please explain

I have no doubt that it's the "idea". The law doesn't exercise that very well though and it doesn't lay the foundation for it to work.

(07-10-2012 10:45 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

thats the idea? please explain

I have no doubt that it's the "idea". The law doesn't exercise that very well though and it doesn't lay the foundation for it to work.

i have plenty of doubts, and so do countless others who work in the industry.

(07-10-2012 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

thats the idea? please explain

Given that all you think about is yourself, we know the idea of helping others that need help escapes you.

(07-10-2012 10:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

thats the idea? please explain

Given that all you think about is yourself, we know the idea of helping others that need help escapes you.

Dollars and cents Robert, how much do you think this will help people at the end of the day? Beyond face value.

(07-10-2012 10:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

thats the idea? please explain

Given that all you think about is yourself, we know the idea of helping others that need help escapes you.

you have zero idea of what i do to help people pal. i wont even get into it because i believe those who are philanthropic should keep it to themselves.

this debacle has NOTHING to do with helping people

(07-10-2012 11:24 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 10:46 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-10-2012 10:35 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-09-2012 10:53 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The idea is to help those who need help.. last I checked millionaires don't need our help, as much as conservatives would like to give it to them. Obama already has a decent health care plan. It's not some crazy conspiracy you're making it out to be, you sound like tinfoil hat wearing Area 51 buffoons.

That being said, it's not perfect.. we still need to go further, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Babysteps when you're dealing with a country where the half people don't even believe in evolution and are terrified of gays getting married.

thats the idea? please explain

Given that all you think about is yourself, we know the idea of helping others that need help escapes you.

you have zero idea of what i do to help people pal. i wont even get into it because i believe those who are philanthropic should keep it to themselves.

this debacle has NOTHING to do with helping people

You are right. It is about helping yourself.

As part of the healtcare bill, the govt will be helping themselves to a 3.8% tax on unearned income starting next year, if its over the allowable capital gains limit. Over Thats just one of the new taxes included in the bill that nobody is talking about. I'm sure though that it won't have a negative impact on the still struggling housing market at all, or on the elderly downsizing their homes, or on the ability of younger people to 'move up' the real estate ladder and build personal wealth through property.
Oh well, as long as those pesky lawyers that don't pay their ER bills are made to buy insurance I suppose I can put off moving to a better neighborhood and increasing my net worth.

(07-10-2012 11:54 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  As part of the healtcare bill, the govt will be helping themselves to a 3.8% tax on unearned income starting next year, if its over the allowable capital gains limit. Over Thats just one of the new taxes included in the bill that nobody is talking about. I'm sure though that it won't have a negative impact on the still struggling housing market at all, or on the elderly downsizing their homes, or on the ability of younger people to 'move up' the real estate ladder and build personal wealth through property.
Oh well, as long as those pesky lawyers that don't pay their ER bills are made to buy insurance I suppose I can put off moving to a better neighborhood and increasing my net worth.

Nice spin.