(07-05-2012 08:50 PM)UCF08 Wrote: For one it doesn't prove, or even attempt to prove, quantitatively that its central premise is even true. It's just some political theorist who has a hard-on for bashing socialism who is making claims without trying to prove them. It's lazy, and it only really appeals to those people who already believe its central premise.
As opposed to this post
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, which isn't at all lazy and did a fantastic job of rebutting what was argued.
By the way, nice job with the "word of the day" use of quantitatively. It fit in ever so swimmingly with your sentence.
The fact is, socialism or more specifically socialized health care, DOES NOT WORK in a non-homogeneous population with hundreds of millions of people with a litany of health problems. Obesity/diabetes, heart disease, cancer, AIDS/HIV, strokes etc. will absolutely bankrupt this country if we have to pay for everyone to get health care on the governments dime.
It may work in smaller European countries like Sweden where the population is healthy and even when it is sick, suffers from similar ailments as opposed to American which has a multitude of expensive health problems that vary across race, gender and ethnicity. A bunch of fit white people in a country that can afford socialized medicine should NOT be the basis for the United States of America and only a complete moron would make this case.
So that brings us to the Democratic party. We could also get into the fact that socialism/communism in and of itself is a flawed idea because if everyone could be equal or near equal, the world would no longer have doctors or lawyers because who the hell would take the risk of going to school or taking on loans if you could just make a similar amount of money digging ditches or working at McDonald's.
The sad thing is, I actually do agree there is a sickening gulf in wage disparity in this country. The "have-not's" ARE forced to survive on nearly nothing which is why so many people choose to stay on government housing and food stamps because if you make too much to qualify, your quality of life is going to be miserable so you might as well just avoid any and all debt by letting the government pay for everything.
But coming up with a solution to wage disparity isn't what the Democrats REALLY want. They don't want to install incentive programs to give people who do work an extra check every month to increase their quality of life and reward them for working.
If they wanted to do that, they absolutely could have with that disgusting bailout they gave Wall Street/GM......I could be here all day. They don't want to reward hard workers......instead, Democrats want more people suckling at the government teat so that they have a voting block for life.
I think if you asked any Republican you've ever met if they would support a program that rewards poor people for working hard and gives them extra money to help improve their lives, a good majority would support something like that as opposed to straight welfare/food stamps/government housing.
But again, Democrats have offered NOTHING other than "increasing the minimum wage" which puts the burdens on Private Business to take care of the poor and thus kills off any potential job creation which could end up helping to create a better job in the future.
The Democrats want the government to be as big as it possibly can be. How can anyone with even a double digit number of TOTAL brain cells support the United States government INCREASING in size at this point after seeing how poorly it has been run the last 3+ years (and really, FAR longer than that)?
Are you honestly that slow on the uptake that you do not understand that an increase in the power and authority of a slow, corrupt, ineffective organism like the Federal Government is a bad thing for people in this country?
Cut the bureaucrazy (yes I misspelled it on purpose), cut the government waste and entitlement programs and INSTEAD, sink that money into rewarding those who play by the rules, who are poor but who want to make something of themselves.
The government is wasting TRILLIONS of dollars on complete and utter garbage. Just the worst kind of excess and spending you can possibly imagine while poor people are forced to scrape by and choose to go out on their own and barely eek out an existence while working their arse off or just say screw it and let the government pay for everything and not have to raise a finger. Of course people choose the latter.
But again, Democrats don't want to reward the hard working in this country because they prefer to keep their votes in line. The welfare line.
