(07-04-2012 09:16 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's cute that you all think you're clever.

Clever?...Maybe. Accurate?...yes.

(07-04-2012 08:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Easy. Government mandates you get tested or pay a tax.

LOL. And who is going to pay to test every single American resident?

(07-04-2012 09:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 08:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Easy. Government mandates you get tested or pay a tax.

LOL. And who is going to pay to test every single American resident?

(07-04-2012 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Guys, handing out clean needles to addicts isn't going to increase drug use. It just keeps drug addicts from using dirty needles and saves the government from additional health charges. It also keeps the disease from spreading to those that may not be drug addicts (e.g., people who may have sex with those that use drugs, children born to those addicts, etc.). Who is going to take a clean needle and say "Hey! Lets put some heroin in it"? No one that isn't already going to use drugs anyway. Needle giveaways also provide a point of collection for addicts to receive information about rehab and health options. Needle giveaways are a no brainer - they're really cost effective and save the government money.

Let me get this straight...

Libertarians want to legalize drugs.

Liberals want to hand out supplies to drug addicts so they can administer the drugs "safely".

Liberals want us to foot the bill for their healthcare through higher taxes.

....and people like me who think all this is crazy are labeled as right wing nutjobs? If not tacitly endorsing drug use, supplying the needles, then paying for their healthcare makes me a nut then so be it. You people are crazy.

(07-04-2012 10:08 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 09:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 08:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Easy. Government mandates you get tested or pay a tax.

LOL. And who is going to pay to test every single American resident?

Thanks for the help proving painful points on this thread Paul.

I'm willing to bet the Liberals don't understand it's hilarious that they seem concerned about someone paying for a government program, $8 trillion later down the Obama drain.

(07-05-2012 07:35 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Guys, handing out clean needles to addicts isn't going to increase drug use. It just keeps drug addicts from using dirty needles and saves the government from additional health charges. It also keeps the disease from spreading to those that may not be drug addicts (e.g., people who may have sex with those that use drugs, children born to those addicts, etc.). Who is going to take a clean needle and say "Hey! Lets put some heroin in it"? No one that isn't already going to use drugs anyway. Needle giveaways also provide a point of collection for addicts to receive information about rehab and health options. Needle giveaways are a no brainer - they're really cost effective and save the government money.

Let me get this straight...

Libertarians want to legalize drugs.

Liberals want to hand out supplies to drug addicts so they can administer the drugs "safely".

Liberals want us to foot the bill for their healthcare through higher taxes.

....and people like me who think all this is crazy are labeled as right wing nutjobs? If not tacitly endorsing drug use, supplying the needles, then paying for their healthcare makes me a nut then so be it. You people are crazy.

I've already destroyed every attempt you've had at defending your stance, stop trying because you're just embarassing yourself at this point. You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.

Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

(07-05-2012 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

I don't think you understand the term "innocent".

Screwing everything in sight - not innocent
Sharing needles while injecting - not innocent


You're painfully rude and self-serving, and apparently upset that my lesson in this thread isn't argueable or easily dismissed. I can't wait until the GOP turns this Obamacare ruling against the Liberals, and it will be soon and often.

Grab your ankles boys.

Quote:I don't think you misunderstand the term "innocent".

Screwing everything in sight - not innocent
Sharing needles while injecting - not innocent

You know, I was going to actually point out yet again the dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread/possibly mutate, and to perpetuate the rampant usage of antibiotics associated with their treatments and the effect that has on the creation of more antibiotic resistent bacterium, but I thought to myself "nah, surely I wouldn't need to qualify that statement for the 3rd time in the same thread, no one is that dumb". You proved me wrong.

If you think the risk is limited to those using the needles/infected themselves, then you're painfully ignorant on common pathology and history (Black Death is now theorized to have included an HIV-like immunovirus along with the bubonic plague, which would explain certain subpopulations being immune/resistent to it due to a mutation on their T-helper cells). Viruses mutate, and increasing the amount of carries only increases the chance of those mutations.

Quote:You're painfully rude and self-serving, and apparently upset that my lesson in this thread isn't argueable or easily dismissed. I can't wait until the GOP turns this Obamacare ruling against the Liberals, and it will be soon and often.

Grab your ankles boys.

You have no lesson, that's how simple it is to dismiss, and you have either not read this thread in it's entirety or are too stupid to understand the concepts I am discussing, old man.

(07-05-2012 10:16 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  You know, I was going to actually point out yet again the dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread/possibly mutate, and to perpetuate the rampant usage of antibiotics associated with their treatments and the effect that has on the creation of more antibiotic resistent bacterium, but I thought to myself "nah, surely I wouldn't need to qualify that statement for the 3rd time in the same thread, no one is that dumb". You proved me wrong.

If you think the risk is limited to those using the needles/infected themselves, then you're painfully ignorant on common pathology and history (Black Death is now theorized to have included an HIV-like immunovirus along with the bubonic plague, which would explain certain subpopulations being immune/resistent to it due to a mutation on their T-helper cells). Viruses mutate, and increasing the amount of carries only increases the chance of those mutations.


You have no lesson, that's how simple it is to dismiss, and you have either not read this thread in it's entirety or are too stupid to understand the concepts I am discussing, old man.

So, the dangers of allowing it to "freely spread" and/or mutate are so incredibly high that we should do nothing (or in your mind dump tons of tax money to solve a problem by throwing money at it)? Your concepts are not conceptual, but are irrelevant to irradication which is the status quo for liberals. Congratulations on nothing but personal attacks, which is also status quo for liberals.

How does your mechanic fix your car? Replacing everything (throwing money at it) or by a systematic approach? The Liberal approach does nothing but make pharm companies rich. You've bought the whole 10-day extended forecast on this one.

You may have missed the lesson, but it is most certainly there as you want to mandate ALL as a tax for the common good... since everyone else is too "stupid" to understand your concepts, LOL. Wait until it's your turn to be "taxed" for the common good.

You LIbtards have become a broken record.

(07-05-2012 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 07:35 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Guys, handing out clean needles to addicts isn't going to increase drug use. It just keeps drug addicts from using dirty needles and saves the government from additional health charges. It also keeps the disease from spreading to those that may not be drug addicts (e.g., people who may have sex with those that use drugs, children born to those addicts, etc.). Who is going to take a clean needle and say "Hey! Lets put some heroin in it"? No one that isn't already going to use drugs anyway. Needle giveaways also provide a point of collection for addicts to receive information about rehab and health options. Needle giveaways are a no brainer - they're really cost effective and save the government money.

Let me get this straight...

Libertarians want to legalize drugs.

Liberals want to hand out supplies to drug addicts so they can administer the drugs "safely".

Liberals want us to foot the bill for their healthcare through higher taxes.

....and people like me who think all this is crazy are labeled as right wing nutjobs? If not tacitly endorsing drug use, supplying the needles, then paying for their healthcare makes me a nut then so be it. You people are crazy.

I've already destroyed every attempt you've had at defending your stance, stop trying because you're just embarassing yourself at this point. You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.

Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

Getting angry? Maybe you should calm down.

Providing needles to addicts isn't my responsibility.
Providing healthcare for other people isn't my responsibility.

Do you realize that fully 2/3 of our governments budget pays for handouts. I'll spell it out for you "THAT MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING MONEY FROM SOME AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO OTHER AMERICANS".

What if I walked up to you, pointed a gun at you and took your money then while you were standing there gave your money to a homeless person. How would that make you feel? Probably angry. Well here's s news flash. Wether or not its stolen from you from an individual or a collective of individuals its still wrong. You can't measure your charity or morality by how much you take from me and give to the poor. I see a real problem with providing needles to addicts. That's one step closer to just giving them the drugs. Wouldn't that solve the crime problem associated with illegal drugs? Sure it would. That doesn't mean its a good idea. I ride my bicycle every day and that's a good idea too but I don't think everyone should be made to ride a bike or that we should give everyone a bike.

You're F U C K E D up sense of freedom and morality are offensive. You're another bleeding heart liberal who wants to legislate your "good ideas" on everyone else. well....F U C K YOU!!

(07-05-2012 11:51 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 07:35 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Guys, handing out clean needles to addicts isn't going to increase drug use. It just keeps drug addicts from using dirty needles and saves the government from additional health charges. It also keeps the disease from spreading to those that may not be drug addicts (e.g., people who may have sex with those that use drugs, children born to those addicts, etc.). Who is going to take a clean needle and say "Hey! Lets put some heroin in it"? No one that isn't already going to use drugs anyway. Needle giveaways also provide a point of collection for addicts to receive information about rehab and health options. Needle giveaways are a no brainer - they're really cost effective and save the government money.

Let me get this straight...

Libertarians want to legalize drugs.

Liberals want to hand out supplies to drug addicts so they can administer the drugs "safely".

Liberals want us to foot the bill for their healthcare through higher taxes.

....and people like me who think all this is crazy are labeled as right wing nutjobs? If not tacitly endorsing drug use, supplying the needles, then paying for their healthcare makes me a nut then so be it. You people are crazy.

I've already destroyed every attempt you've had at defending your stance, stop trying because you're just embarassing yourself at this point. You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.

Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

Getting angry? Maybe you should calm down.

Providing needles to addicts isn't my responsibility.
Providing healthcare for other people isn't my responsibility.

Do you realize that fully 2/3 of our governments budget pays for handouts. I'll spell it out for you "THAT MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING MONEY FROM SOME AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO OTHER AMERICANS".

What if I walked up to you, pointed a gun at you and took your money then while you were standing there gave your money to a homeless person. How would that make you feel? Probably angry. Well here's s news flash. Wether or not its stolen from you from an individual or a collective of individuals its still wrong. You can't measure your charity or morality by how much you take from me and give to the poor. I see a real problem with providing needles to addicts. That's one step closer to just giving them the drugs. Wouldn't that solve the crime problem associated with illegal drugs? Sure it would. That doesn't mean its a good idea. I ride my bicycle every day and that's a good idea too but I don't think everyone should be made to ride a bike or that we should give everyone a bike.

You're F U C K E D up sense of freedom and morality are offensive. You're another bleeding heart liberal who wants to legislate your "good ideas" on everyone else. well....F U C K YOU!!

Oh My...

(07-05-2012 11:51 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 07:35 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Guys, handing out clean needles to addicts isn't going to increase drug use. It just keeps drug addicts from using dirty needles and saves the government from additional health charges. It also keeps the disease from spreading to those that may not be drug addicts (e.g., people who may have sex with those that use drugs, children born to those addicts, etc.). Who is going to take a clean needle and say "Hey! Lets put some heroin in it"? No one that isn't already going to use drugs anyway. Needle giveaways also provide a point of collection for addicts to receive information about rehab and health options. Needle giveaways are a no brainer - they're really cost effective and save the government money.

Let me get this straight...

Libertarians want to legalize drugs.

Liberals want to hand out supplies to drug addicts so they can administer the drugs "safely".

Liberals want us to foot the bill for their healthcare through higher taxes.

....and people like me who think all this is crazy are labeled as right wing nutjobs? If not tacitly endorsing drug use, supplying the needles, then paying for their healthcare makes me a nut then so be it. You people are crazy.

I've already destroyed every attempt you've had at defending your stance, stop trying because you're just embarassing yourself at this point. You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.

Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

Getting angry? Maybe you should calm down.

Providing needles to addicts isn't my responsibility.
Providing healthcare for other people isn't my responsibility.

Do you realize that fully 2/3 of our governments budget pays for handouts. I'll spell it out for you "THAT MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING MONEY FROM SOME AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO OTHER AMERICANS".

What if I walked up to you, pointed a gun at you and took your money then while you were standing there gave your money to a homeless person. How would that make you feel? Probably angry. Well here's s news flash. Wether or not its stolen from you from an individual or a collective of individuals its still wrong. You can't measure your charity or morality by how much you take from me and give to the poor. I see a real problem with providing needles to addicts. That's one step closer to just giving them the drugs. Wouldn't that solve the crime problem associated with illegal drugs? Sure it would. That doesn't mean its a good idea. I ride my bicycle every day and that's a good idea too but I don't think everyone should be made to ride a bike or that we should give everyone a bike.

You're F U C K E D up sense of freedom and morality are offensive. You're another bleeding heart liberal who wants to legislate your "good ideas" on everyone else. well....F U C K YOU!!

Sorry pal, but just because you don't comprehend the inherent dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread increasing their chances of mutations, much less exacerbating the current problem of antibiotic resistant bacterium (there's already some strains of TB that have popped up in China/India that are *REAL* nasty) doesn't mean these aren't real and absolutely compelling reasons to fund these sorts of excruciatingly cheap prevention methods.

Furthermore, your above post just proves exactly what my post claims; you're so idiotically stuck on 'IM NOT RESPONSIBLE' that you'd willingly put your country at risk for a major medical crisis than pay for something that you don't believe you should, despite all legitimate scientific and fiscal reasons supporting such said preventions. You're a bad citizen, and more importantly, a horrible human being. Grats.

(07-05-2012 01:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 11:51 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 07:35 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Guys, handing out clean needles to addicts isn't going to increase drug use. It just keeps drug addicts from using dirty needles and saves the government from additional health charges. It also keeps the disease from spreading to those that may not be drug addicts (e.g., people who may have sex with those that use drugs, children born to those addicts, etc.). Who is going to take a clean needle and say "Hey! Lets put some heroin in it"? No one that isn't already going to use drugs anyway. Needle giveaways also provide a point of collection for addicts to receive information about rehab and health options. Needle giveaways are a no brainer - they're really cost effective and save the government money.

Let me get this straight...

Libertarians want to legalize drugs.

Liberals want to hand out supplies to drug addicts so they can administer the drugs "safely".

Liberals want us to foot the bill for their healthcare through higher taxes.

....and people like me who think all this is crazy are labeled as right wing nutjobs? If not tacitly endorsing drug use, supplying the needles, then paying for their healthcare makes me a nut then so be it. You people are crazy.

I've already destroyed every attempt you've had at defending your stance, stop trying because you're just embarassing yourself at this point. You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.

Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

Getting angry? Maybe you should calm down.

Providing needles to addicts isn't my responsibility.
Providing healthcare for other people isn't my responsibility.

Do you realize that fully 2/3 of our governments budget pays for handouts. I'll spell it out for you "THAT MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING MONEY FROM SOME AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO OTHER AMERICANS".

What if I walked up to you, pointed a gun at you and took your money then while you were standing there gave your money to a homeless person. How would that make you feel? Probably angry. Well here's s news flash. Wether or not its stolen from you from an individual or a collective of individuals its still wrong. You can't measure your charity or morality by how much you take from me and give to the poor. I see a real problem with providing needles to addicts. That's one step closer to just giving them the drugs. Wouldn't that solve the crime problem associated with illegal drugs? Sure it would. That doesn't mean its a good idea. I ride my bicycle every day and that's a good idea too but I don't think everyone should be made to ride a bike or that we should give everyone a bike.

You're F U C K E D up sense of freedom and morality are offensive. You're another bleeding heart liberal who wants to legislate your "good ideas" on everyone else. well....F U C K YOU!!

Sorry pal, but just because you don't comprehend the inherent dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread increasing their chances of mutations, much less exacerbating the current problem of antibiotic resistant bacterium (there's already some strains of TB that have popped up in China/India that are *REAL* nasty) doesn't mean these aren't real and absolutely compelling reasons to fund these sorts of excruciatingly cheap prevention methods.

Furthermore, your above post just proves exactly what my post claims; you're so idiotically stuck on 'IM NOT RESPONSIBLE' that you'd willingly put your country at risk for a major medical crisis than pay for something that you don't believe you should, despite all legitimate scientific and fiscal reasons supporting such said preventions. You're a bad citizen, and more importantly, a horrible human being. Grats.

I'm a bad human being and citizen because I don't agree with you? You're hilarious. Run along now junior. When the liberal ether wears off come back for more discussion about what freedom really is. In the meantime keep the fear mongering to yourself. Its tired.

(07-05-2012 01:51 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 11:51 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 07:35 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Let me get this straight...

Libertarians want to legalize drugs.

Liberals want to hand out supplies to drug addicts so they can administer the drugs "safely".

Liberals want us to foot the bill for their healthcare through higher taxes.

....and people like me who think all this is crazy are labeled as right wing nutjobs? If not tacitly endorsing drug use, supplying the needles, then paying for their healthcare makes me a nut then so be it. You people are crazy.

I've already destroyed every attempt you've had at defending your stance, stop trying because you're just embarassing yourself at this point. You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.

Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

Getting angry? Maybe you should calm down.

Providing needles to addicts isn't my responsibility.
Providing healthcare for other people isn't my responsibility.

Do you realize that fully 2/3 of our governments budget pays for handouts. I'll spell it out for you "THAT MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING MONEY FROM SOME AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO OTHER AMERICANS".

What if I walked up to you, pointed a gun at you and took your money then while you were standing there gave your money to a homeless person. How would that make you feel? Probably angry. Well here's s news flash. Wether or not its stolen from you from an individual or a collective of individuals its still wrong. You can't measure your charity or morality by how much you take from me and give to the poor. I see a real problem with providing needles to addicts. That's one step closer to just giving them the drugs. Wouldn't that solve the crime problem associated with illegal drugs? Sure it would. That doesn't mean its a good idea. I ride my bicycle every day and that's a good idea too but I don't think everyone should be made to ride a bike or that we should give everyone a bike.

You're F U C K E D up sense of freedom and morality are offensive. You're another bleeding heart liberal who wants to legislate your "good ideas" on everyone else. well....F U C K YOU!!

Sorry pal, but just because you don't comprehend the inherent dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread increasing their chances of mutations, much less exacerbating the current problem of antibiotic resistant bacterium (there's already some strains of TB that have popped up in China/India that are *REAL* nasty) doesn't mean these aren't real and absolutely compelling reasons to fund these sorts of excruciatingly cheap prevention methods.

Furthermore, your above post just proves exactly what my post claims; you're so idiotically stuck on 'IM NOT RESPONSIBLE' that you'd willingly put your country at risk for a major medical crisis than pay for something that you don't believe you should, despite all legitimate scientific and fiscal reasons supporting such said preventions. You're a bad citizen, and more importantly, a horrible human being. Grats.

I'm a bad human being and citizen because I don't agree with you? You're hilarious. Run along now junior. When the liberal ether wears off come back for more discussion about what freedom really is. In the meantime keep the fear mongering to yourself. Its tired.

No. You're a bad human being and an awful citizen because you want to put everyone's health at risk (including yours - how about a mutation of HIV that is airborne?), simply because you want to stick to your 'punish' mantra. Yes, drug dealers should be in prison. I'm not in favor of legalization of hard drugs, but....if we can save the friggin' taxpayers money AND help mitigate health risks to the population, then we should do it.

Either you are a mean, twisted, counterproductive, bad citizen (and awful Christian - by any definition of the Gospels), or you are just completely ignorant.

(07-05-2012 01:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:51 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 11:51 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:35 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I've already destroyed every attempt you've had at defending your stance, stop trying because you're just embarassing yourself at this point. You're painfully ignorant in basic human pathology and what's worse, have no regard for fiscally sound policies instead wishing to harp on about paying for something isn't your responsibility and ignoring the fact that paying a small amount will save exponentially more money on items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for, along with saving innocent lives.

Shut.the.hell.up.for.christs.sake.

Getting angry? Maybe you should calm down.

Providing needles to addicts isn't my responsibility.
Providing healthcare for other people isn't my responsibility.

Do you realize that fully 2/3 of our governments budget pays for handouts. I'll spell it out for you "THAT MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING MONEY FROM SOME AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO OTHER AMERICANS".

What if I walked up to you, pointed a gun at you and took your money then while you were standing there gave your money to a homeless person. How would that make you feel? Probably angry. Well here's s news flash. Wether or not its stolen from you from an individual or a collective of individuals its still wrong. You can't measure your charity or morality by how much you take from me and give to the poor. I see a real problem with providing needles to addicts. That's one step closer to just giving them the drugs. Wouldn't that solve the crime problem associated with illegal drugs? Sure it would. That doesn't mean its a good idea. I ride my bicycle every day and that's a good idea too but I don't think everyone should be made to ride a bike or that we should give everyone a bike.

You're F U C K E D up sense of freedom and morality are offensive. You're another bleeding heart liberal who wants to legislate your "good ideas" on everyone else. well....F U C K YOU!!

Sorry pal, but just because you don't comprehend the inherent dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread increasing their chances of mutations, much less exacerbating the current problem of antibiotic resistant bacterium (there's already some strains of TB that have popped up in China/India that are *REAL* nasty) doesn't mean these aren't real and absolutely compelling reasons to fund these sorts of excruciatingly cheap prevention methods.

Furthermore, your above post just proves exactly what my post claims; you're so idiotically stuck on 'IM NOT RESPONSIBLE' that you'd willingly put your country at risk for a major medical crisis than pay for something that you don't believe you should, despite all legitimate scientific and fiscal reasons supporting such said preventions. You're a bad citizen, and more importantly, a horrible human being. Grats.

I'm a bad human being and citizen because I don't agree with you? You're hilarious. Run along now junior. When the liberal ether wears off come back for more discussion about what freedom really is. In the meantime keep the fear mongering to yourself. Its tired.

No. You're a bad human being and an awful citizen because you want to put everyone's health at risk (including yours - how about a mutation of HIV that is airborne?), simply because you want to stick to your 'punish' mantra. Yes, drug dealers should be in prison. I'm not in favor of legalization of hard drugs, but....if we can save the friggin' taxpayers money AND help mitigate health risks to the population, then we should do it.

Either you are a mean, twisted, counterproductive, bad citizen (and awful Christian - by any definition of the Gospels), or you are just completely ignorant.

Emphasis added...what do you think needles are used for. Injecting pot. You're one contradiction after another.

(07-05-2012 01:58 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:51 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 11:51 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Getting angry? Maybe you should calm down.

Providing needles to addicts isn't my responsibility.
Providing healthcare for other people isn't my responsibility.

Do you realize that fully 2/3 of our governments budget pays for handouts. I'll spell it out for you "THAT MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING MONEY FROM SOME AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO OTHER AMERICANS".

What if I walked up to you, pointed a gun at you and took your money then while you were standing there gave your money to a homeless person. How would that make you feel? Probably angry. Well here's s news flash. Wether or not its stolen from you from an individual or a collective of individuals its still wrong. You can't measure your charity or morality by how much you take from me and give to the poor. I see a real problem with providing needles to addicts. That's one step closer to just giving them the drugs. Wouldn't that solve the crime problem associated with illegal drugs? Sure it would. That doesn't mean its a good idea. I ride my bicycle every day and that's a good idea too but I don't think everyone should be made to ride a bike or that we should give everyone a bike.

You're F U C K E D up sense of freedom and morality are offensive. You're another bleeding heart liberal who wants to legislate your "good ideas" on everyone else. well....F U C K YOU!!

Sorry pal, but just because you don't comprehend the inherent dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread increasing their chances of mutations, much less exacerbating the current problem of antibiotic resistant bacterium (there's already some strains of TB that have popped up in China/India that are *REAL* nasty) doesn't mean these aren't real and absolutely compelling reasons to fund these sorts of excruciatingly cheap prevention methods.

Furthermore, your above post just proves exactly what my post claims; you're so idiotically stuck on 'IM NOT RESPONSIBLE' that you'd willingly put your country at risk for a major medical crisis than pay for something that you don't believe you should, despite all legitimate scientific and fiscal reasons supporting such said preventions. You're a bad citizen, and more importantly, a horrible human being. Grats.

I'm a bad human being and citizen because I don't agree with you? You're hilarious. Run along now junior. When the liberal ether wears off come back for more discussion about what freedom really is. In the meantime keep the fear mongering to yourself. Its tired.

No. You're a bad human being and an awful citizen because you want to put everyone's health at risk (including yours - how about a mutation of HIV that is airborne?), simply because you want to stick to your 'punish' mantra. Yes, drug dealers should be in prison. I'm not in favor of legalization of hard drugs, but....if we can save the friggin' taxpayers money AND help mitigate health risks to the population, then we should do it.

Either you are a mean, twisted, counterproductive, bad citizen (and awful Christian - by any definition of the Gospels), or you are just completely ignorant.

Emphasis added...what do you think needles are used for. Injecting pot. You're one contradiction after another.

Injecting pot???? I've never heard of that one. In my last post I questioned whether you are mean or just ignorant. I think you just answered that question. Ignorance CAN be fixed. Just step away from the AM radio......and the WND.......

Needles are cheap. Those who believe in distributing them, knock yourselves out.

And the fear mongering really is old after 30+ years.

Quote:I'm a bad human being and citizen because I don't agree with you?

You're a bad human being and citizen because you're only concerned about whether or not you should have to pay for something, when you're not realizing the risks associated, along with the *HIGHER COSTS* for things you are unarguably responsible to pay for, with not paying for such things. You're shortsighted, selfish, and most importantly, more worried with not admitting that you're wrong than actually doing what's good for the country.

In every definition of the word, you're a bad citizen.

Quote:You're hilarious. Run along now junior. When the liberal ether wears off come back for more discussion about what freedom really is.

You want to talk political theory, let's talk political theory. Notice I never said it was your responsibility to pay for such things, actually stated that a few different times, but that it only makes fiscal and scientific sense, especially in regards to how little programs like this cost as opposed to their possible outcomes.

Quote:In the meantime keep the fear mongering to yourself. Its tired.

You're the worst kind of ignorant, the kind that won't even bother educating itself despite the fact simply googling 'antibiotic resistant bacteria' will show you how real this problem is.

(07-05-2012 02:04 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And the fear mongering really is old after 30+ years.

In what capacity do you make this assertion? What makes you think you understand this problem better than the pathologists who see the over 450,000 cases of ARTB each year alone (with a ~30% death rate)? And while those are mostly in india, you're missing the part where we have no other defenses against their spread than they do, medically speaking. They use the same antibiotics we do, and they're not working.

Seriously, if you're ignorant about a subject it's best you don't act like you know what you're talking about

(07-05-2012 02:04 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Needles are cheap. Those who believe in distributing them, knock yourselves out.

And the fear mongering really is old after 30+ years.

Yes. By all means start a private organization that does this. I wish this would be the way most ALL good ideas are implemented instead of stealing from others to finance. By doing it privately the organization will get the most for its dollar anyway and help the most people. There are plenty of examples already in existence to prove this. I fully endorse private charity and contribute to it regularly.

BTW...Both sides of the aisle are equally guilty of theft to fund the programs they like. This is why a gradual move towards a voluntary society in which many problems are solved using the marketplace and private funding is needed. The damn theft needs to stop.