Which is worse?

Watergate: The Watergate scandal was a political scandal that occurred in the United States in the 1970s as a result of the June 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington, D.C., and the Nixon administration's attempted cover-up of its involvement. The scandal eventually led to the resignation of Richard Nixon, the President of the United States, on August 9, 1974, the only resignation of a U.S. President. The scandal also resulted in the indictment, trial, conviction and incarceration of 43 people, including dozens of top Nixon administration officials.
The affair began with the arrest of five men for breaking and entering into the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters at the Watergate complex on June 17, 1972. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) connected cash found on the burglars to a slush fund used by the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, a fundraising group for the Nixon campaign.[1][2] In July 1973, as evidence mounted against the president's staff, including testimony provided by former staff members in an investigation conducted by the Senate Watergate Committee, it was revealed that President Nixon had a tape-recording system in his offices and he had recorded many conversations.[3][4] Recordings from these tapes implicated the president, revealing he had attempted to cover up the break-in.[2][5] After a protracted series of bitter court battles, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the president had to hand over the tapes to government investigators; he ultimately complied.
Facing near-certain impeachment in the House of Representatives and a strong possibility of a conviction in the Senate, Nixon resigned the presidency on August 9, 1974.[6][7] His successor, Gerald Ford, then issued a pardon to Nixon.

OR
Fast & Furious: Attorney General Eric Holder (under direction from Obama) authorizes thousands of assault rifles to be sold to the drug lords in Mexico which resulted in the deaths of over 300 Mexican civilians and one US Border Agent (Brian Terry) only to be covered up by Executive Privilege because they both know the plan all along was to create violence along the border and trade the lives of civilians for stricter gun control laws. The American public would be outraged if they knew this story. Even if you remove my partisan speculation this is more than enough to remove Holder from office and bring Obama in for Congressional hearings...if you agree with the precedent set by what happened to Nixon.


Thoughts...?

Serious comments only please. If you REALLY look at what happened during the Nixon administration and Fast and Furious its pretty clear what should happen.

(06-25-2012 01:18 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Which is worse?

Watergate: The Watergate scandal was a political scandal that occurred in the United States in the 1970s as a result of the June 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington, D.C., and the Nixon administration's attempted cover-up of its involvement. The scandal eventually led to the resignation of Richard Nixon, the President of the United States, on August 9, 1974, the only resignation of a U.S. President. The scandal also resulted in the indictment, trial, conviction and incarceration of 43 people, including dozens of top Nixon administration officials.
The affair began with the arrest of five men for breaking and entering into the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters at the Watergate complex on June 17, 1972. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) connected cash found on the burglars to a slush fund used by the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, a fundraising group for the Nixon campaign.[1][2] In July 1973, as evidence mounted against the president's staff, including testimony provided by former staff members in an investigation conducted by the Senate Watergate Committee, it was revealed that President Nixon had a tape-recording system in his offices and he had recorded many conversations.[3][4] Recordings from these tapes implicated the president, revealing he had attempted to cover up the break-in.[2][5] After a protracted series of bitter court battles, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the president had to hand over the tapes to government investigators; he ultimately complied.
Facing near-certain impeachment in the House of Representatives and a strong possibility of a conviction in the Senate, Nixon resigned the presidency on August 9, 1974.[6][7] His successor, Gerald Ford, then issued a pardon to Nixon.

OR
Fast & Furious: Attorney General Eric Holder (under direction from Obama) authorizes thousands of assault rifles to be sold to the drug lords in Mexico which resulted in the deaths of over 300 Mexican civilians and one US Border Agent (Brian Terry) only to be covered up by Executive Privilege because they both know the plan all along was to create violence along the border and trade the lives of civilians for stricter gun control laws. The American public would be outraged if they knew this story. Even if you remove my partisan speculation this is more than enough to remove Holder from office and bring Obama in for Congressional hearings...if you agree with the precedent set by what happened to Nixon.


Thoughts...?

Serious comments only please. If you REALLY look at what happened during the Nixon administration and Fast and Furious its pretty clear what should happen.

I think what should happen is you should go hunting with Cheney.

In my opinion, the big differences here are the deaths and the international component of it all. Of course, the liberal media is going to play this down if not actually take to defending Obama. Nixon, on the other hand, was disliked by the press and hung the poor guy out to dry for doing what other administrations before him have done - concealing the facts. Gee, Obama never lied or concealed facts, did he?

Personally, I liked Nixon and I despise Obama; he's a disgrace to this country, his political party and his race.

(06-25-2012 01:21 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:18 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Which is worse?

Watergate: The Watergate scandal was a political scandal that occurred in the United States in the 1970s as a result of the June 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington, D.C., and the Nixon administration's attempted cover-up of its involvement. The scandal eventually led to the resignation of Richard Nixon, the President of the United States, on August 9, 1974, the only resignation of a U.S. President. The scandal also resulted in the indictment, trial, conviction and incarceration of 43 people, including dozens of top Nixon administration officials.
The affair began with the arrest of five men for breaking and entering into the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters at the Watergate complex on June 17, 1972. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) connected cash found on the burglars to a slush fund used by the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, a fundraising group for the Nixon campaign.[1][2] In July 1973, as evidence mounted against the president's staff, including testimony provided by former staff members in an investigation conducted by the Senate Watergate Committee, it was revealed that President Nixon had a tape-recording system in his offices and he had recorded many conversations.[3][4] Recordings from these tapes implicated the president, revealing he had attempted to cover up the break-in.[2][5] After a protracted series of bitter court battles, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the president had to hand over the tapes to government investigators; he ultimately complied.
Facing near-certain impeachment in the House of Representatives and a strong possibility of a conviction in the Senate, Nixon resigned the presidency on August 9, 1974.[6][7] His successor, Gerald Ford, then issued a pardon to Nixon.

OR
Fast & Furious: Attorney General Eric Holder (under direction from Obama) authorizes thousands of assault rifles to be sold to the drug lords in Mexico which resulted in the deaths of over 300 Mexican civilians and one US Border Agent (Brian Terry) only to be covered up by Executive Privilege because they both know the plan all along was to create violence along the border and trade the lives of civilians for stricter gun control laws. The American public would be outraged if they knew this story. Even if you remove my partisan speculation this is more than enough to remove Holder from office and bring Obama in for Congressional hearings...if you agree with the precedent set by what happened to Nixon.


Thoughts...?

Serious comments only please. If you REALLY look at what happened during the Nixon administration and Fast and Furious its pretty clear what should happen.

I think what should happen is you should go hunting with Cheney.

Do you ever have anything more to offer than the constant wish that those with whom you disagree befall a horrific fate in which they are literally shot in the face?

Life must really be tough for you Robert....


As to the OP's question, it appears obvious that this Fast & Furious episode was worse.....directly leading to the violent death of a Federal agent.

This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

Here is one important difference - in Watergate, the COVERUP was much worse than the actual crime and is really what brought that administration down. Lies built upon more lies, etc. until it all came crashing down.

In Fast and Furious, the crime was plenty bad, much worse than a botched break-in. That criminal conspiracy would put an ordinary person in prison. The investigation into the COVERUP is what will shine a light on how officials of our government set in motion a criminal conspiracy by our own top law enforcement officials that resulted in the deaths of citizens of another country and one of our border guards in order to further their twisted political goals. Even if the goal is never proven, the crime alone will anger most Americans.

The only good thing about Obama using EP is that the media which has done it's best to ignore the story will NOW have to report it (and will try to distort it).

I'd like to see all of those involved brought to justice but it won't happen. Accountability procedures in our government are designed to protect all in government by creating a very slow process, whereby years go by and nothing seems to happen. Doesn't even matter how much evidence is available. Foxes guarding the chickencoop.

F&F is much worse. Nobody died in Watergate. No other country was used as a test lab in which their citizens were killed and that country's leaders not informed of the operation, as happened in F&F.

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

What the hell are you talking about?

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

Don't mind him. He turned to the wrong page of talking points.

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

Do you ever add anything? All I asked was for posters to take an objective look at the two situations and state their opinion. You can't even do that. Are you retarded?

Question for our resident moonbats, if Obama was telling the truth in saying he had no knowledge, and Holder essentially said the same, which we all know he wasn't, why the need for executive privilege? Someone tried to spin the hell out of that before, and I'm not buying it. This makes Watergate look like shoplifting a 3 cent jolly rancher.

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

WTF?

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

Let me see if I get what you are saying....... The Obama administration directed an agency of the US Government to sell automatic weapons to the "Brown" Cartel people so they could use them to kill "Brown" people of other cartels or regualr "Brown" civilians they didn't like, but right-wingers are racists because they don't want the Obama administration to sell guns for "Brown" people to kill other "Brown" people.

Yeah, that sounds lke right-wingers are racists. F'n fool.

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

Nothing would make me happier than for every person in this country to be issued a .45 on their 18th birthday. It wouldn't take long to sort out the worthless people.

Your little rant is stupid. You are all for mexican drug lords buying weapons huh? I'm sure those people have a perfectly legitimate and legal use for those firearms in mind.

I don't know which is worse. Nixon was threatening the integrity of the upcoming election. Thats a biggy to me. The integrity of the US political system, although often bruised, can't be diregarded like that. Obama is obviously covering up for Holder and thats certainly not something that hasn't occurred under previous presents. I think that the F&F scandal and Obama's involvement have to be taken into account and added to the list of suspect actions that violate his oath of office.

(06-25-2012 02:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

Nothing would make me happier than for every person in this country to be issued a .45 on their 18th birthday. It wouldn't take long to sort out the worthless people.

Your little rant is stupid. You are all for mexican drug lords buying weapons huh? I'm sure those people have a perfectly legitimate and legal use for those firearms in mind.

He thinks all Mexicans are drug lords, gang members, and/or illegal. Racists like him can't differentiate between the good people and the bad. To him, all blacks and Hispanics fit into the same mold.

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

They should have ran assault weapons into the ghettos of America instead of Mexico... since this is a right-wing witch hunt and no wrong was done there's nothing wrong with that, right Um?

Less democrap voters of course would prevent that option.


EDIT - this is turning out to be one of the worst scandals in American history, and is looking to be FAR worse than Watergate.

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

You sound scared of being shot by gun toting conservative. You fear is misplaced, as you are more likely to be involved in a black on black incident.

(06-25-2012 02:41 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 02:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

Nothing would make me happier than for every person in this country to be issued a .45 on their 18th birthday. It wouldn't take long to sort out the worthless people.

Your little rant is stupid. You are all for mexican drug lords buying weapons huh? I'm sure those people have a perfectly legitimate and legal use for those firearms in mind.

He thinks all Mexicans are drug lords, gang members, and/or illegal. Racists like him can't differentiate between the good people and the bad. To him, all blacks and Hispanics fit into the same mold.

Let me get this straight. You describe yourself and attribute it to UM2001Grad?

(06-25-2012 11:28 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 02:01 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This typical right-wing racism. They are all for gun-control when it involves brown people, but they demand the right to unfettered gun ownership for white people (so they can shoot brown people).

You sound scared of being shot by gun toting conservative. You fear is misplaced, as you are more likely to be involved in a black on black incident.

If I am ever shot, I suspect it would be you or Rebel doing the shooting.