(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

(06-22-2012 10:00 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 09:39 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  WV insiders smoke mushrooms, and hear voices.

I see you've spent some time in West Virginia...

Only drove thru it once. spent a total of 3 hours there, that was enough.

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

Wow, the first good reason for taking ND as a partial. If ND's joining as a partial gets Duke to drop their football program, I could get on board with that.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

The Big East didn't work for many reasons. The Hybrid itself is NOT a reason.

1) Miami wanted more money (most schools do), the Big East wasn't getting enough then.
2) The big East was at that time dominated by Hoops schools, influence wise
3) When Miami, VATech and BC left, the Big East reloaded biut still deadlocked the balance between hoops and football
4) When Syracuse, Pitt, TCU and WVU left, the Big East reloaded again and added more football schools, realizing football drives the bus.
5) It remains to be seen whether the Big East can function or not, I would not bet either way.

As long as the football schools dominate the enrollment in the conference (ex: 75%/25%) the hybrid concept can be profitable. I don't prefer it at this juncture but it can be profitable. Remember, the Big East has done much better and will do much better than half the conferences out there.

(06-23-2012 12:06 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

The Big East didn't work for many reasons. The Hybrid itself is NOT a reason.

1) Miami wanted more money (most schools do), the Big East wasn't getting enough then.
2) The big East was at that time dominated by Hoops schools, influence wise
3) When Miami, VATech and BC left, the Big East reloaded biut still deadlocked the balance between hoops and football
4) When Syracuse, Pitt, TCU and WVU left, the Big East reloaded again and added more football schools, realizing football drives the bus.
5) It remains to be seen whether the Big East can function or not, I would not bet either way.

As long as the football schools dominate the enrollment in the conference (ex: 75%/25%) the hybrid concept can be profitable. I don't prefer it at this juncture but it can be profitable. Remember, the Big East has done much better and will do much better than half the conferences out there.

Agreed on the latter paragraph.

If let's say no expansion beyond 12 was ever done by the other conferences, a 12/4 hybrid for the Big East would have been just fine.

But that wasn't going to happen since it would involve voting out some of the non-FBS programs.

Anything more than 25% hybrid impacts voting and vision.

Still, an all-sports conference is better, imho.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-23-2012 01:35 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 12:06 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

The Big East didn't work for many reasons. The Hybrid itself is NOT a reason.

1) Miami wanted more money (most schools do), the Big East wasn't getting enough then.
2) The big East was at that time dominated by Hoops schools, influence wise
3) When Miami, VATech and BC left, the Big East reloaded biut still deadlocked the balance between hoops and football
4) When Syracuse, Pitt, TCU and WVU left, the Big East reloaded again and added more football schools, realizing football drives the bus.
5) It remains to be seen whether the Big East can function or not, I would not bet either way.

As long as the football schools dominate the enrollment in the conference (ex: 75%/25%) the hybrid concept can be profitable. I don't prefer it at this juncture but it can be profitable. Remember, the Big East has done much better and will do much better than half the conferences out there.

Agreed on the latter paragraph.

If let's say no expansion beyond 12 was ever done by the other conferences, a 12/4 hybrid for the Big East would have been just fine.

But that wasn't going to happen since it would involve voting out some of the non-FBS programs.

Anything more than 25% hybrid impacts voting and vision.

Still, an all-sports conference is better, imho.

Cheers,
Neil

Agreed, 25% is probably the limit on non-football schools. That leaves a clear 75% majority to control what needs to be done for football.

I think if Notre Dame joins the ACC at all, it's likely to be for all sports except football for some period of time. The reason I believe this is because N.D. has its own TV deal which it will want to honor, and it has future games scheduled which it will want to honor as well. So they won't just shirk their responsibilities like some schools have in realignment (think schools that begin with the word "West").

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

If the ACC changes to a partial membership model I'll be leading the charge to withdraw from the ACC for football.

so.... How did the super secret emergency meeting turn out??

(06-23-2012 03:09 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  so.... How did the super secret emergency meeting turn out??

SHHHHHHHH!!!!!

It is so secret, the ACC and ND didn't even know there was a meeting, Only some Dude from a WVU message board, Chip Brown and a few select others were present. I know, I got this from and insider (I'm inside, duh, it's almost a 100 degrees outside. Therefore, I'm an insider!). The meeting occurred 37 miles outside of Morgantown, hosted by an anonymous WVU fan. Photos and commentary from the event can be found at:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=141&f=2455&t=9089858

So anyway, the meeting opened, and because it was so secret, nobody present even knew what to discuss. After and hour and a half of staring blankly at each other not knowing what to discuss, Chip Brown suggested they break for lunch. Lunch consisted of Bar-B-Que spam, armadillo on the half shell (a nod to the Texan in attendance), pickled yams, sweet tea and left over Easter Peeps in various colors-both bunnies and chicks, for dessert.

After lunch, nobody knew anything more so they concluded the meeting with a majority vote, and one abstention (the host was not sure what the proper procedure for the meeting was so he abstained, he was under the impression they were following the Marquis of Queensbury rules, though) assuring each other that something would happen in the future. All were happy with this decision and left by various routes to maintain secrecy.

Or so I hear....

I heard that WVU is getting an invite to the ACC. It came from "The Dude" so it must be true.

(06-23-2012 03:07 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

If the ACC changes to a partial membership model I'll be leading the charge to withdraw from the ACC for football.

Understood. So if the Big 12 actually invites ND as a partial member, I can then expect you to lead the charge not to go?

Cheers,
Neil

(06-23-2012 03:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I heard that WVU is getting an invite to the ACC. It came from "The Dude" so it must be true.

Unbelievable isn't it?

Cheers,
Neil

https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/2...3997992961

(06-23-2012 04:24 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/2...3997992961

Sounds like backpeddling to me.

(06-23-2012 04:07 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 03:07 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Well, the WVU "insiders" are now claiming to have inside info about the ACC itself:

"ACC has called a 10AM emergency meeting in Greensboro to officially vote on Notre Dame. It is not clear in what capacity, ie partial or full membership. Official votes come AFTER schools have accepted unofficial invite."

Can anyone substantiate this rumor?

Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

If the ACC changes to a partial membership model I'll be leading the charge to withdraw from the ACC for football.

Understood. So if the Big 12 actually invites ND as a partial member, I can then expect you to lead the charge not to go?

Cheers,
Neil

Apples and oranges.

The Big XII is negotiating their current media deal, thus the ND factor would be accounted for. The ACC has already signed off on their deal, thus ND would be taking money from Clemson, Syracuse, etc. until the 5 year"look in" comes to pass.

The BigXII also has better bowls, so the chances of ND taking the only decent bowl we have outside the BCS (Chick-fil-a) are greater in the ACC than the Big XII with the Champions Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Insight Bowl....all of which pay more than the Champs Sports Bowl. If the ACC still had the Gator Bowl it might be different, but when the #2 team from the ACC falls to the Champs, Sun, or even possibly the Belk "Let's create a bowl in NC so at least one bowl will think the Tabakky Rd schools are a desirable option" Bowl.

(06-23-2012 05:46 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 04:07 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 03:07 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 07:03 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 06:29 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Well, we have to remember this is the ACC we are talking about. Its not like this would be the first idiotic decision to come out of Greensboro.

If ND gets a partial membership in the ACC, I'll believe the ACC is done. Either FSU and/or Clemson and/or more schools would leave or go independent for football. Maybe even Duke or UNC would drop their football programs and just have a ND like membership. I don't know what will happen but the ACC would be through as being a major conference. Hybrid conferences don't work because schools have completely different priorities. Even moreso than they do now.

If the ACC changes to a partial membership model I'll be leading the charge to withdraw from the ACC for football.

Understood. So if the Big 12 actually invites ND as a partial member, I can then expect you to lead the charge not to go?

Cheers,
Neil

Apples and oranges.

The Big XII is negotiating their current media deal, thus the ND factor would be accounted for. The ACC has already signed off on their deal, thus ND would be taking money from Clemson, Syracuse, etc. until the 5 year"look in" comes to pass.

The BigXII also has better bowls, so the chances of ND taking the only decent bowl we have outside the BCS (Chick-fil-a) are greater in the ACC than the Big XII with the Champions Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Insight Bowl....all of which pay more than the Champs Sports Bowl. If the ACC still had the Gator Bowl it might be different, but when the #2 team from the ACC falls to the Champs, Sun, or even possibly the Belk "Let's create a bowl in NC so at least one bowl will think the Tabakky Rd schools are a desirable option" Bowl.

Big assumptions in that post by you. But I'm sure it is not surprising to anyone. Your point of view is so twisted now, it's not changing at this point.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-23-2012 04:35 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 04:24 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/2...3997992961

Sounds like backpeddling to me.

Sounds like a flat out moron to me.

Followers of Dude = Major Idiots.

(06-23-2012 05:46 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Apples and oranges.

The Big XII is negotiating their current media deal, thus the ND factor would be accounted for. The ACC has already signed off on their deal, thus ND would be taking money from Clemson, Syracuse, etc. until the 5 year"look in" comes to pass.

The BigXII also has better bowls, so the chances of ND taking the only decent bowl we have outside the BCS (Chick-fil-a) are greater in the ACC than the Big XII with the Champions Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Insight Bowl....all of which pay more than the Champs Sports Bowl. If the ACC still had the Gator Bowl it might be different, but when the #2 team from the ACC falls to the Champs, Sun, or even possibly the Belk "Let's create a bowl in NC so at least one bowl will think the Tabakky Rd schools are a desirable option" Bowl.

You have got to be kidding me, Cat! You don't seriously believe that adding ND as a non-football member benefits the Big 12 but not the ACC? That sounds like "duckspeak" to me - "ACC double plus ungood; rewrite fullwise".

Mark this down: the Big XII will no longer exist as a football conference in 15 years or less. I cannot say with 100% certainly that the ACC will exist, I'm just telling you on this 23rd of June 2012 that by 2027 there will no longer be a Big 12 as we know it (specifically Texas and Oklahoma will be gone). The very existence of the conference makes no sense, and it will be picked over by the Pac 12 and/or SEC and/or Big Ten within 15 years - whether the ACC continues to exist or not.

(06-23-2012 07:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-23-2012 05:46 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Apples and oranges.

The Big XII is negotiating their current media deal, thus the ND factor would be accounted for. The ACC has already signed off on their deal, thus ND would be taking money from Clemson, Syracuse, etc. until the 5 year"look in" comes to pass.

The BigXII also has better bowls, so the chances of ND taking the only decent bowl we have outside the BCS (Chick-fil-a) are greater in the ACC than the Big XII with the Champions Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Insight Bowl....all of which pay more than the Champs Sports Bowl. If the ACC still had the Gator Bowl it might be different, but when the #2 team from the ACC falls to the Champs, Sun, or even possibly the Belk "Let's create a bowl in NC so at least one bowl will think the Tabakky Rd schools are a desirable option" Bowl.

You have got to be kidding me, Cat! You don't seriously believe that adding ND as a non-football member benefits the Big 12 but not the ACC? That sounds like "duckspeak" to me - "ACC double plus ungood; rewrite fullwise".

Mark this down: the Big XII will no longer exist as a football conference in 15 years or less. I cannot say with 100% certainly that the ACC will exist, I'm just telling you on this 23rd of June 2012 that by 2027 there will no longer be a Big 12 as we know it (specifically Texas and Oklahoma will be gone). The very existence of the conference makes no sense, and it will be picked over by the Pac 12 and/or SEC and/or Big Ten within 15 years - whether the ACC continues to exist or not.

That's crazy talk. The Short Bus is the most splendiforus conference in history. Teams make Gazillions there. Third tier rights for all! Consolation Cotton Bowls for all! Gazillions!

That said, ND isn't coming to the ACC as a partial member. That is weak sauce for desperate conferences like the Short Bus.