My question to everyone:
Is BSU & SDSU doing a disservice to the athletic department and indirectly to school as a whole by sacrificing non football sports into into a lower quality conference?
It not like there's a substantial difference between the quality of BE football & MWC football (i know, money!) as compared to jumping from the MWC to say a BIG 12 or PAC 12. I just don't see the quality athletes going to these schools other than football players.
Are these school sending the wrong message about their school's culture? I also don't think this helps the perception by other high ranking schools in other conference concerning these school. Are these schools giving too much up to join an unstable Big East?
What say you.

(05-25-2012 07:00 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  My question to everyone:
Is BSU & SDSU doing a disservice to the athletic department and indirectly to school as a whole by sacrificing non football sports into into a lower quality conference?
It not like there's a substantial difference between the quality of BE football & MWC football (i know, money!) as compared to jumping from the MWC to say a BIG 12 or PAC 12. I just don't see the quality athletes going to these schools other than football players.
Are these school sending the wrong message about their school's culture? I also don't think this helps the perception by other high ranking schools in other conference concerning these school. Are these schools giving too much up to join an unstable Big East?
What say you.

Football is the money-engine that drives the rest of the sports, so no... it's not a horrible thing.

Example: with bigger conference TV money in football, you can go out and hire a high-priced Hoops coach, something you couldn't do too easily in the Mountain West. That's only one example of what can be done for other sports with the revenue boost.

In Boise, we will be fast-tracking the enhanced Arena/Hoops facility construction project with Big East TV fundage... Even if the other sports are in a "lesser" conference, they're not out of the running for NCAA tourney berths, and the money gained can be reinvested into facilities and programs.

The only universities that did a disservice was Syracuse, Pitt. and WVU and the way they went about leaving the Big East. Sneaking around behind closed doors.

(05-25-2012 07:07 PM)BadWillHunting Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:00 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  My question to everyone:
Is BSU & SDSU doing a disservice to the athletic department and indirectly to school as a whole by sacrificing non football sports into into a lower quality conference?
It not like there's a substantial difference between the quality of BE football & MWC football (i know, money!) as compared to jumping from the MWC to say a BIG 12 or PAC 12. I just don't see the quality athletes going to these schools other than football players.
Are these school sending the wrong message about their school's culture? I also don't think this helps the perception by other high ranking schools in other conference concerning these school. Are these schools giving too much up to join an unstable Big East?
What say you.

Football is the money-engine that drives the rest of the sports, so no... it's not a horrible thing.

Example: with bigger conference TV money in football, you can go out and hire a high-priced Hoops coach, something you couldn't do too easily in the Mountain West. That's only one example of what can be done for other sports with the revenue boost.

In Boise, we will be fast-tracking the enhanced Arena/Hoops facility construction project with Big East TV fundage... Even if the other sports are in a "lesser" conference, they're not out of the running for NCAA tourney berths, and the money gained can be reinvested into facilities and programs.

I only ask this question because from afar, it seems that a lot was sacrificed for the betterment of football. So, would you say that the Big East is stepping stone for BSU? It would be nice to see BSU as a Flagship program of their own conference! I normally would love to see BSU in the BE, it just that the BE of today is sooo unstable.

There is no way to predict what will happen in the future. Clearly, the increased revenue and exposure offered by Big East Football is seen by us as preferable to remaining in a version of the MWC that now lacks Utah, BYU, and TCU... three programs we wanted badly to be in-conference with.

If the MWC had not fractured in that manner, I could see any of the above schools, AND Boise/SDSU as resisting conference changes... except toward the PAC (Utah.)

The TV potential of the MWC went from great for this round of things to beyond horrible with the departures... we want to grow and keep building our national-brand, so we take the risk in-stride.
"Fortune favors the Bold..."


I don't even want to THINK about the TV situation they're facing in the MWC.
When games were put on the open market a few weeks ago, Boise & SDSU ended-up with around half of the games purchased by ESPN & others... How do they go to the negotiating table and ask for real money without any SDSU/Boise/TCU/Utah/BYU? I don't know, but they're not going to get squat for that contract... it will be in the range of the old WAC contract we had for years, $1.2MM/yr/School or some lowball number.

(05-25-2012 07:34 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:07 PM)BadWillHunting Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:00 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  My question to everyone:
Is BSU & SDSU doing a disservice to the athletic department and indirectly to school as a whole by sacrificing non football sports into into a lower quality conference?
It not like there's a substantial difference between the quality of BE football & MWC football (i know, money!) as compared to jumping from the MWC to say a BIG 12 or PAC 12. I just don't see the quality athletes going to these schools other than football players.
Are these school sending the wrong message about their school's culture? I also don't think this helps the perception by other high ranking schools in other conference concerning these school. Are these schools giving too much up to join an unstable Big East?
What say you.

Football is the money-engine that drives the rest of the sports, so no... it's not a horrible thing.

Example: with bigger conference TV money in football, you can go out and hire a high-priced Hoops coach, something you couldn't do too easily in the Mountain West. That's only one example of what can be done for other sports with the revenue boost.

In Boise, we will be fast-tracking the enhanced Arena/Hoops facility construction project with Big East TV fundage... Even if the other sports are in a "lesser" conference, they're not out of the running for NCAA tourney berths, and the money gained can be reinvested into facilities and programs.

I only ask this question because from afar, it seems that a lot was sacrificed for the betterment of football. So, would you say that the Big East is stepping stone for BSU? It would be nice to see BSU as a Flagship program of their own conference! I normally would love to see BSU in the BE, it just that the BE of today is sooo unstable.

You sir appear to be an Alt as well as a Cuse fan. So I'll take your post worth a pound of salt. As for being "Unstable", look down the table to your ACC brethren. See if you can guess who's staying and who's leaving.

(05-25-2012 07:34 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:07 PM)BadWillHunting Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:00 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  My question to everyone:
Is BSU & SDSU doing a disservice to the athletic department and indirectly to school as a whole by sacrificing non football sports into into a lower quality conference?
It not like there's a substantial difference between the quality of BE football & MWC football (i know, money!) as compared to jumping from the MWC to say a BIG 12 or PAC 12. I just don't see the quality athletes going to these schools other than football players.
Are these school sending the wrong message about their school's culture? I also don't think this helps the perception by other high ranking schools in other conference concerning these school. Are these schools giving too much up to join an unstable Big East?
What say you.

Football is the money-engine that drives the rest of the sports, so no... it's not a horrible thing.

Example: with bigger conference TV money in football, you can go out and hire a high-priced Hoops coach, something you couldn't do too easily in the Mountain West. That's only one example of what can be done for other sports with the revenue boost.

In Boise, we will be fast-tracking the enhanced Arena/Hoops facility construction project with Big East TV fundage... Even if the other sports are in a "lesser" conference, they're not out of the running for NCAA tourney berths, and the money gained can be reinvested into facilities and programs.

I only ask this question because from afar, it seems that a lot was sacrificed for the betterment of football. So, would you say that the Big East is stepping stone for BSU? It would be nice to see BSU as a Flagship program of their own conference! I normally would love to see BSU in the BE, it just that the BE of today is sooo unstable.

I think that's just life in the middle of the pack. It'll settle down and the Big East will still be the best place for us when it does. If we are able to get into a place such as the Big West I would see that as acceptable. Like Will said, the additional money we make as a member of this conference will allow us to improve every other sport's situation, regardless of where they play. Our current annual conference payout is peanuts and it always has been. Many feel that we won't be able to maintain this level of football much longer without a bump there. Plus if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Virginia Tech was originally invited to the Big East as a football only member? That seemed to work out okay for them.

I don't know... I pretty much think Boise State will run the table (or close to it) their first year in the league.

We pummeled SDSU in SD last time, but I doubt we'll beat them that badly again.

That should answer the question as to how I view them.

(05-25-2012 07:50 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I don't know... I pretty much think Boise State will run the table (or close to it) their first year in the league.

We pummeled SDSU in SD last time, but I doubt we'll beat them that badly again.

That should answer the question as to how I view them.

I am not convinced Rocky is the right coach to do the kind of things that his predecessor was doing, making the big steps...

Time will tell. CA schools are in a MASSIVE budget-hell right now... SDSU can use that extra TV $ and if Long isn't working-out, they can get a great replacement.

(05-25-2012 07:45 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:34 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:07 PM)BadWillHunting Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:00 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  My question to everyone:
Is BSU & SDSU doing a disservice to the athletic department and indirectly to school as a whole by sacrificing non football sports into into a lower quality conference?
It not like there's a substantial difference between the quality of BE football & MWC football (i know, money!) as compared to jumping from the MWC to say a BIG 12 or PAC 12. I just don't see the quality athletes going to these schools other than football players.
Are these school sending the wrong message about their school's culture? I also don't think this helps the perception by other high ranking schools in other conference concerning these school. Are these schools giving too much up to join an unstable Big East?
What say you.

Football is the money-engine that drives the rest of the sports, so no... it's not a horrible thing.

Example: with bigger conference TV money in football, you can go out and hire a high-priced Hoops coach, something you couldn't do too easily in the Mountain West. That's only one example of what can be done for other sports with the revenue boost.

In Boise, we will be fast-tracking the enhanced Arena/Hoops facility construction project with Big East TV fundage... Even if the other sports are in a "lesser" conference, they're not out of the running for NCAA tourney berths, and the money gained can be reinvested into facilities and programs.

I only ask this question because from afar, it seems that a lot was sacrificed for the betterment of football. So, would you say that the Big East is stepping stone for BSU? It would be nice to see BSU as a Flagship program of their own conference! I normally would love to see BSU in the BE, it just that the BE of today is sooo unstable.

You sir appear to be an Alt as well as a Cuse fan. So I'll take your post worth a pound of salt. As for being "Unstable", look down the table to your ACC brethren. See if you can guess who's staying and who's leaving.

Just to be clear I'm a old school BE fan (both FB & BB). Right now i don't know how i feel about my soon to be former BE school, Syracuse. They are going to the arch-enemy, the ACC! So, i wouldn't call the ACC my "brethren".
I ask these questions because if you step back, its odd to see schools on the rise willing to sacrifice part of itself for what i think is a marginal increase in prestige for one sport (a major sport). I could understand better if it was one of the service academies where they already acknowledged the difficulties of having high academic standards & other requirements and competing on a highest levels against some schools. But in the case of BSU and SDSU lowering their expectations or devaluing most of their athletic programs for a modest pay increase is questionable. I wouldn't bet anything on the stability of the BE for my long-term planning!
Once again if it was the PAC12 or even the BIG 12 it would be well worth it, but the unknown of the BE is concerning.

Reality is that for any team from MWC and CUSA the Big East is an upgrade and will give them more money. At the end f the day with 13 team committed to the league even if worse case scenario happened which would be losing four football teams and the basketball schools bailing,you would still have nine schoos that could easily add three more from CUSA or MWC and form and all sports league superior to current CUSA or MWC

(05-25-2012 07:50 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I don't know... I pretty much think Boise State will run the table (or close to it) their first year in the league.

We pummeled SDSU in SD last time, but I doubt we'll beat them that badly again.

That should answer the question as to how I view them.

I always saw the BE as a bunch of average (solid) teams(the last several years) that would be average in any league you put us in. This is what is going to challenge BSU. There won't a drop off in talent vs other BE teams like there was in the MWC & WAC. Not saying they are going to have a losing record, i just see them losing some of those close games they won in the MWC & WAC.

(05-25-2012 08:58 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Reality is that for any team from MWC and CUSA the Big East is an upgrade and will give them more money. At the end f the day with 13 team committed to the league even if worse case scenario happened which would be losing four football teams and the basketball schools bailing,you would still have nine schoos that could easily add three more from CUSA or MWC and form and all sports league superior to current CUSA or MWC

I agree. See the thread I just posted questioning the BE's assumed instability. And if you think through the scenarios, I honestly don't think the Catholic schools will split. I won't repeat the argument here, though.

(05-25-2012 09:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 08:58 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Reality is that for any team from MWC and CUSA the Big East is an upgrade and will give them more money. At the end f the day with 13 team committed to the league even if worse case scenario happened which would be losing four football teams and the basketball schools bailing,you would still have nine schoos that could easily add three more from CUSA or MWC and form and all sports league superior to current CUSA or MWC

I agree. See the thread I just posted questioning the BE's assumed instability. And if you think through the scenarios, I honestly don't think the Catholic schools will split. I won't repeat the argument here, though.

I don't think the Catholics will split, either. It's simply NOT in their financial-interest right now.

I have no doubt that several of them have queried media-folks to get a feel for what a "Big East Catholic, Non-FB League" would garner in TV funds... and it isn't positive. Hoops just isn't what it was to TV contracts 25 years back...

I semi-understand the Catholic Schools, and won't ever 'hate' on them... one reason might be my Master's from Gonzaga out-West.

Other than basketball the BW is significantly better than the MWC in almost every other sport so I don't know how we're "doing a disservice" to our athletic department.

I don't know why I'm responding to such an obvious troll anyway though...

(05-25-2012 07:50 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I don't know... I pretty much think Boise State will run the table (or close to it) their first year in the league.

We pummeled SDSU in SD last time, but I doubt we'll beat them that badly again.

That should answer the question as to how I view them.

Yep, that was the worst year in the HISTORY of our program, things have changed since then.

1.5 mil to what could be 6 to 8 mil is hardly a minimal increase. Assuming they have a total Athletic budget of 30 to 40 mil, you are talking a 10% +.

(05-26-2012 02:23 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:50 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I don't know... I pretty much think Boise State will run the table (or close to it) their first year in the league.

We pummeled SDSU in SD last time, but I doubt we'll beat them that badly again.

That should answer the question as to how I view them.

Yep, that was the worst year in the HISTORY of our program, things have changed since then.

Since you never returned that game, the BE should have tacked on $1MM to your entrance fee, and forwarded it straight to us

(05-26-2012 09:54 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 02:23 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:50 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I don't know... I pretty much think Boise State will run the table (or close to it) their first year in the league.

We pummeled SDSU in SD last time, but I doubt we'll beat them that badly again.

That should answer the question as to how I view them.

Yep, that was the worst year in the HISTORY of our program, things have changed since then.

Since you never returned that game, the BE should have tacked on $1MM to your entrance fee, and forwarded it straight to us

Didn't we offer up Chuck Long to you guys in place of the return game? I think you chose to decline.

(05-26-2012 09:54 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 02:23 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 07:50 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I don't know... I pretty much think Boise State will run the table (or close to it) their first year in the league.

We pummeled SDSU in SD last time, but I doubt we'll beat them that badly again.

That should answer the question as to how I view them.

Yep, that was the worst year in the HISTORY of our program, things have changed since then.

Since you never returned that game, the BE should have tacked on $1MM to your entrance fee, and forwarded it straight to us

Nah, we figured why return it when we're going to be in the same conference anyway...