(05-07-2012 03:51 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote: (05-07-2012 03:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: (05-07-2012 03:33 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote: A cultural oddity in the middle of the Bible belt deep south? Check out this link and tell me again how a conservative Christian school is a cultural oddity in the Sun Belt?
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/result...t/map.html
Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky...all voted McCain in 2008 and that was after 8 years of a horrible Bush presidency (even Liberty types were not a Bush fan as he was about as big government as they come)...and they still voted McCain. Now let us keep in mind Marco Rubio recently won a Florida senate seat and my guess is that in November Florida goes to Romney, making EVERY SINGLE current Sun Belt state a "red" state.
Again tell me how it is that we, the world's largest Christian affiliated school, would be a cultural oddity in a conference where EVERY SINGLE state of conference membership voted Republican in the 2008 election?
You're a private religious affiliated institution looking to join a group of larger public institutions many of which, despite being located in southern states, are fairly liberal institutions(as public universities tend to be).
It has every bit as much to do with you being private as it does with your being religiously affiliated. Private schools are run differently than public schools, religiously affiliated private schools even more so. The fact that most residents of the states our schools are located in would identify themselves as Christian has nothing to do with this discussion.
Try again.
Every single BCS conference has a mix of public and private universities. Baylor seems to do quite alright in the Big 12 despite their religious affiliation and Notre Dame would be a welcome addition to any conference. How about Villanova, which as we all know is Catholic and in the Big East? St. Johns anyone? Boston College in the ACC? As the northeast is predominantly catholic, catholic universities such as these are a great cultural fit and they fit in well with their public counterparts. As Liberty is an evangelical non denominational Christian school it would fit well in a conference located right in the middle of a swath of red states.
These arguments are tiring. The geographic footprint is the best one I've heard yet....but the bottom line is that Houston and SMU just joined the Big East and they're nowhere near it. They will put their money where there mouth is and fly to the northeast if that is what it takes to get into a BCS conference. We are more than willing to do the same in the SBC as we have the ability to do so......
Trust me, we are much more tired of your bloviating Law School dean and your sanctimonious bashing of everyone who doesn't live by your moral rules. Google Sean Harris of Berean Church in Fayetteville, NC to see what we see your 'institution' produces
Liberty IMHO isn't an educational institution. It is a political organization and a church.
We don't have to align with Liberty. And even if we say, 'hell no' because of Liberty's political activism, its our right to do so.
Openly Gay persons, Jews, Muslims, and Athiests, can teach and attend and participate in athletics at every single FBS program except BYU and Baylor. Attempting to equate Liberty and Wake Forest as similar institutions because they are both religiously affilliated is like trying to equate Westboro Baptist and the Episcopal Church because they are both Christian.
Besides, since Liberty loves to fire people for being Gay and not-Christian, why would they choose in this case to align themselves with schools that don't automatically fire people because they are Gay. Why accept associating with Gay people in this case, and oppose it in the military.
My opposition is directly related to Liberty's policies. They can teach that Gay people should be treated like they rape children or molest dogs all they want to. But they can do so elsewhere.
Besides, you are outside of our footprint. You are private (and VERY private). You discriminate. Your institution, and especially your LAW school is engaged in the worst kind of political and judicial activism imaginable.
Liberty doesn't allow Gay people, Muslims, or non-Christians to play for their athletic teams. I think that a team committed to excellence would be able to recruit talent that wasn't just extreme fundamentalists.
No thanks. Liberty. We aren't interested. Because you aren't insterested in recruiting the best talent.
Perhaps I can put this better in language you can understand. I don't hate the sinner (Liberty)...I hate the sin (discrimination).
I don't want Sun Belt games to be turned into religious functions. You bring nothing besides acrimony.