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20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

Wow! And I believe that our new deal is only for tier 1 and 2 rights. 20 million is a starting point!

My biggest question is why verbally agree to a deal that will expire in 2025? All conferences are making this same mistake. While it may be worth 25M in 2025, 20M today would be worth a lot more.

$200 M/year for 13 years. GOR to be extended to match TV deal.

So for any of you who think the PAC is going to add Texas and OK anytime soon, forget it. The Big XII is now stable for at least a decade and the PAC isn't expanding (there's nobody else worth adding).

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

(05-07-2012 03:30 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  My biggest question is why verbally agree to a deal that will expire in 2025? All conferences are making this same mistake. While it may be worth 25M in 2025, 20M today would be worth a lot more.

Totally agree. Conference have no one to blame but themselves for the situations they're putting themselves in.

Same could be said for ACC- signing away ALL of their rights.

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Even if 20 mil-ish was the number- the fact that none of the tier 3 rights is huge.

Also- Big 12 would still be able to offer package with Clemson/FSU- and get up to 25-27 mil.

(05-07-2012 03:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Even if 20 mil-ish was the number- the fact that none of the tier 3 rights is huge.

Also- Big 12 would still be able to offer package with Clemson/FSU- and get up to 25-27 mil.

Sorry, I missed in the contract press, the 25-27 million if FSU/Clemson are added.

Or is that just a made up number?

(05-07-2012 03:30 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  My biggest question is why verbally agree to a deal that will expire in 2025? All conferences are making this same mistake. While it may be worth 25M in 2025, 20M today would be worth a lot more.

You have to do long term deals to get better money. ESPN or NBC etc need to know who they are going to have on in order to press for higher subscriber fees which are negotiated over periods of time. The stations also need to be able to plan for commentators, equipment, and support staff to cover these conferences.

Sounds good to me!

(05-07-2012 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:30 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  My biggest question is why verbally agree to a deal that will expire in 2025? All conferences are making this same mistake. While it may be worth 25M in 2025, 20M today would be worth a lot more.

Totally agree. Conference have no one to blame but themselves for the situations they're putting themselves in.

Same could be said for ACC- signing away ALL of their rights.

I agree that the ACC made the same mistake. When the ACC deal was first signed, it was a great deal and within 2 years of the contract being signed, its a horrid deal. Conferences should sign 5-7 year deals at the most. And now that y'all signed away your rights until the deal expires is even more sh*tty.

(05-07-2012 03:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Even if 20 mil-ish was the number- the fact that none of the tier 3 rights is huge.

Also- Big 12 would still be able to offer package with Clemson/FSU- and get up to 25-27 mil.

Clemson and FSU are not worth $50-$60 M/year each. Even at a $2 M/year increase per school, that would make them each worth $30 M. That's much more likely. But $5-$7 M/year is crazy.

(05-07-2012 03:39 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Even if 20 mil-ish was the number- the fact that none of the tier 3 rights is huge.

Also- Big 12 would still be able to offer package with Clemson/FSU- and get up to 25-27 mil.

Clemson and FSU are not worth $50-$60 M/year each. Even at a $2 M/year increase per school, that would make them each worth $30 M. That's much more likely. But $5-$7 M/year is crazy.

If each were worth 30 mil, and title game itself worth 30 mil, that's 90 mil. That's up to 24.17 mil per school per year. If both worth 35 mil- that's 25 mil per year per school.

(05-07-2012 03:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:39 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Even if 20 mil-ish was the number- the fact that none of the tier 3 rights is huge.

Also- Big 12 would still be able to offer package with Clemson/FSU- and get up to 25-27 mil.

Clemson and FSU are not worth $50-$60 M/year each. Even at a $2 M/year increase per school, that would make them each worth $30 M. That's much more likely. But $5-$7 M/year is crazy.

If each were worth 30 mil, and title game itself worth 30 mil, that's 90 mil. That's up to 24.17 mil per school per year. If both worth 35 mil- that's 25 mil per year per school.

lol

(05-07-2012 03:38 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:30 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  My biggest question is why verbally agree to a deal that will expire in 2025? All conferences are making this same mistake. While it may be worth 25M in 2025, 20M today would be worth a lot more.

Totally agree. Conference have no one to blame but themselves for the situations they're putting themselves in.

Same could be said for ACC- signing away ALL of their rights.

I agree that the ACC made the same mistake. When the ACC deal was first signed, it was a great deal and within 2 years of the contract being signed, its a horrid deal. Conferences should sign 5-7 year deals at the most. And now that y'all signed away your rights until the deal expires is even more sh*tty.

It can work out the other way just as easily though. Let's say the PAC-10 deal was at the peak college football values. That means you'll be getting less for the same content in 7-8 years than you are now and a longer term is better.

Since either outcome is possible, I think the presidents prefer the safer longer term locked in value. (For the record, I think we are near the peak; I think by the time the Big Ten renegotiates, it's going to wish it had set things up sooner).

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Why is that the worst? The SBJ reported $14-$15 million. They reported $19-$20 for the Big 12. Now that $20 is being confirmed.

(05-07-2012 03:37 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Even if 20 mil-ish was the number- the fact that none of the tier 3 rights is huge.

Also- Big 12 would still be able to offer package with Clemson/FSU- and get up to 25-27 mil.

Sorry, I missed in the contract press, the 25-27 million if FSU/Clemson are added.

Or is that just a made up number?

Stever likes to make up his own numbers and pass them off as fact. He's probably been reading the WVU board too long.

(05-07-2012 03:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:31 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  20 mil per year. Huge number for the Big 12- especially considering no title game.

ACC has got to make a splash with their tv deal renegotiation. If it was the number that they were talking about a few months ago- 14-15 million- it would be a disastor for the ACC.

As of now it seems 16mil-ish is the worst possible outcome, 20mil-ish being the best. It's still a ways away, and anything can happen.

Why is that the worst? The SBJ reported $14-$15 million. They reported $19-$20 for the Big 12. Now that $20 is being confirmed.

It is based on multiple people that claim to know what is going on are saying the number offered has been 230 million and the number desired is 270 million so it is going to mediation or arbitration or something at this point.

(05-07-2012 03:37 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:30 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  My biggest question is why verbally agree to a deal that will expire in 2025? All conferences are making this same mistake. While it may be worth 25M in 2025, 20M today would be worth a lot more.

You have to do long term deals to get better money. ESPN or NBC etc need to know who they are going to have on in order to press for higher subscriber fees which are negotiated over periods of time. The stations also need to be able to plan for commentators, equipment, and support staff to cover these conferences.

But that won't stop conferences from adding members, and thus being able to renegotiate again.