(05-01-2012 09:45 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Only thing I can say is they would be the answer to all the fans having a fit becuase of FCS move ups. They are already FBS!!

I agree. Most people are thinking this isn't a good fit because they are thinking in terms of an All Sports membership. That would not work. BUT, a football only membership for NMSU and Idaho would work. We are talking an away game only every 2 years against each school. Surely that travel will not kill any school. In the meantime, we get two FBS members, don't have to bring in more FCS schools, and have a good 12 team football conference:

West - Louisiana, Arkansas State, ULM, Texas State, NMSU, Idaho
East - Troy, USA, WKU, MT, FIU, GA State

For Olympic Sports, we add UT Arlington to the West along with UALR to the East and remain at 12 teams.

It is the best fit for the SBC and saves two good programs in NMSU & Idaho.

(05-02-2012 09:28 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 09:45 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Only thing I can say is they would be the answer to all the fans having a fit becuase of FCS move ups. They are already FBS!!

I agree. Most people are thinking this isn't a good fit because they are thinking in terms of an All Sports membership. That would not work. BUT, a football only membership for NMSU and Idaho would work. We are talking an away game only every 2 years against each school. Surely that travel will not kill any school. In the meantime, we get two FBS members, don't have to bring in more FCS schools, and have a good 12 team football conference:

West - Louisiana, Arkansas State, ULM, Texas State, NMSU, Idaho
East - Troy, USA, WKU, MT, FIU, GA State

For Olympic Sports, we add UT Arlington to the West along with UALR to the East and remain at 12 teams.

It is the best fit for the SBC and saves two good programs in NMSU & Idaho.

NMSU is pointless without an all sports invite. They are pretty good at basketball and baseball

Idaho...no

I like NMSU as a school but not as a member of the SBC due to their location.

I lived in ABQ for many years and I really like both UNM and NMSU, but NMSU is just so far out of the SBC footprint. NMSU had a home in the SBC and it gave that home up voluntarily . . I do understand why, but you guys walked away from the SBC once already and at a time when the SBC really needed your support.

The SBC needs to remain focused on the SEast and add Georgia Southern and App State.

Go stAte . . Go SBC !!

(05-01-2012 09:29 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  Move on, nothing to see here...

A non conference member telling a poster to move on ?

Unless the "a lot to offer" includes NMSU paying for airfare for Belt teams from now until forever, no thanks.

(05-02-2012 10:04 AM)MG61 Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 09:29 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  Move on, nothing to see here...

A non conference member telling a poster to move on ?

It was a joke. Dont want them taking a spot that could go to us, get it?

(05-01-2012 09:27 PM)nmsuaggies Wrote:  Head Coach - DeWayne Walker who came to NMSU after being the DC at UCLA and before that spend many years in the NFL. Is in year 4 and right now it looks like NMSU will finally be bowl eligible and finish at the top of the WAC.

Maybe the Sun Belt should consider adding New Mexico St and Idaho for football only. The conference could add a championship game and maybe Idaho could bring the WAC's bowl tie-in to the Idaho Potato Bowl. I know the Sun Belt doesn't have a lot of bowl tie-ins, so any bowl game might be a plus. The championship game would bring in extra money too.

(05-02-2012 09:22 PM)MAdoubleT Wrote:  Maybe the Sun Belt should consider adding New Mexico St and Idaho for football only. The conference could add a championship game and maybe Idaho could bring the WAC's bowl tie-in to the Idaho Potato Bowl. I know the Sun Belt doesn't have a lot of bowl tie-ins, so any bowl game might be a plus. The championship game would bring in extra money too.

The SBC has 2 primary and 2 secondary bowl tie-ins . . Idaho in the winter has little, if any, appeal to Southern teams.

I liked it when NMSU was in the SBC. Their basketball coach at the time, Lou Henson, was all class. We helped provide them a home so when the WAC came knocking they could go. Everyone knew that was the plan. But should we take them back? I don't have any problems with it. They had a good group of fans. But I'm not sure its not a different day for them and us now. I do feel for them and their position however--because I do have a warm spot in my heart for NMSU.

If they come fb only and we get to 12 then yes as it would mean a trip out there once every 4 years

(05-02-2012 09:22 PM)MAdoubleT Wrote:  Maybe the Sun Belt should consider adding New Mexico St and Idaho for football only. The conference could add a championship game and maybe Idaho could bring the WAC's bowl tie-in to the Idaho Potato Bowl. I know the Sun Belt doesn't have a lot of bowl tie-ins, so any bowl game might be a plus. The championship game would bring in extra money too.

That was my first thought when Texas State/UTA were announced that adding Idaho/NMSU football only to go to 12 was the way to do it.

Here is why; you sign both Idaho and NMSU to a large buyout like the MAC did with Temple-UMass. The MAC made 6 million off of Temple leaving (paid by the BE front office). You know that Idaho is just one conference shuffle away from getting into the MWC so you are cashing in with the arrangement.

Further with plans for UT-Arlington to have an FBS football team eventually Idaho/NMSU can buy UTA time to start up an FCS program and have it running for a few years before they're needed as a 12th school.

New Mexico State though on its own merits might not be a bad idea because the will probably never get into the MWC with UNM blocking and they have strong basketball tradition.

Accepting Idaho into the SBC as an all sport would be insane. NMSU is pushing it but Idaho is over the edge.

(05-02-2012 11:52 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 09:22 PM)MAdoubleT Wrote:  Maybe the Sun Belt should consider adding New Mexico St and Idaho for football only. The conference could add a championship game and maybe Idaho could bring the WAC's bowl tie-in to the Idaho Potato Bowl. I know the Sun Belt doesn't have a lot of bowl tie-ins, so any bowl game might be a plus. The championship game would bring in extra money too.

Here is why; you sign both Idaho and NMSU to a large buyout like the MAC did with Temple-UMass. The MAC made 6 million off of Temple leaving (paid by the BE front office). You know that Idaho is just one conference shuffle away from getting into the MWC so you are cashing in with the arrangement.

I think NMSU is having to ask for volunteers to feed the athletes. Idaho plays football in a 45 year old quonset hut. They aren't paying any buyout.

The MWC doesn't want them right now....much less with a $6,000,000 albatross around their necks.

NO

One thing to consider: If we go to divisional play, no East division football conference member will have to make the trip....except possibly every eleventh year.
The same arrangement would be made as it relates to FAU to West division football conference members.

Baseball and Basketball could be limited by east teams to once every other year regarding NMSU. Same for west teams regarding FAU.

Thus, some of the travel costs would be, at least, more controlled.

And, we could pick up a good all sport conference member.

(05-03-2012 11:29 AM)EAGLEJAG65 Wrote:  One thing to consider: If we go to divisional play, no East division football conference member will have to make the trip....except possibly every eleventh year.
The same arrangement would be made as it relates to FAU to West division football conference members.

Baseball and Basketball could be limited by east teams to once every other year regarding NMSU. Same for west teams regarding FAU.

Thus, some of the travel costs would be, at least, more controlled.

And, we could pick up a good all sport conference member.

No.

They wouldn't be that good of a pick up. Better than some of the local FCS candidates? Maybe, but not better enough to justify they're far flung geography.

(05-02-2012 11:02 PM)panama Wrote:  If they come fb only and we get to 12 then yes as it would mean a trip out there once every 4 years

No it wouldn't. If you play each crossdivisional opponent the same a team in the East division would play @ NM St every 6 years. (Playing 2 crossover games a year)

2013
NM St (A)
2 (H)

2014
2 (A)
NM St (H)

2015
3 (H)
4 (A)

2016
4 (H)
3 (A)

2017
5 (H)
6 (A)

2018
6 (H)
5 (A)

2019
NM St (A)
2 (H)

IF and that is a big IF, the presidents around the league vote to add Idaho and NMSU in football there won't be a big buyout attached to purchase their loyalty.

Instead what would more likely is that each would be given a short-term commitment from the league like a two year contract that would have to be regularly renewed and there would targets to meet regarding their scheduling, ticket sales, and success and they would have to give regular updates on progress and plans. If the league became dissatisfied the contract would not be renewed.

(05-03-2012 02:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  IF and that is a big IF, the presidents around the league vote to add Idaho and NMSU in football there won't be a big buyout attached to purchase their loyalty.

Instead what would more likely is that each would be given a short-term commitment from the league like a two year contract that would have to be regularly renewed and there would targets to meet regarding their scheduling, ticket sales, and success and they would have to give regular updates on progress and plans. If the league became dissatisfied the contract would not be renewed.

You could also make just a 3 year contract where they will be on their own afterwards so that a CCG can be a reality in 2013 while 2-3 more FCS teams are invited and go through the transition period. Depending on how the conference situation is then maybe you keep NMSU to have a possible 14/16 setup (with 3 new FCS schools and Idaho is gone) since that appears to be the direction conferences are going to be viable.

(05-03-2012 11:39 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 11:29 AM)EAGLEJAG65 Wrote:  One thing to consider: If we go to divisional play, no East division football conference member will have to make the trip....except possibly every eleventh year.
The same arrangement would be made as it relates to FAU to West division football conference members.

Baseball and Basketball could be limited by east teams to once every other year regarding NMSU. Same for west teams regarding FAU.

Thus, some of the travel costs would be, at least, more controlled.

And, we could pick up a good all sport conference member.

No.

They wouldn't be that good of a pick up. Better than some of the local FCS candidates? Maybe, but not better enough to justify they're far flung geography.

You may on your way to CUSA since Old Dominion is not making any announcement of their move. Could be they still not quite sure whether to move or not.