(04-17-2012 06:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  What was the suicide rate in past decades when we were more conservative and "hardened up" our kids vs today since feminism, I'm alright, your alright, trophies to losers, sensitivity training, gender neutrality, and all the other sissyfication the left embrace and screw up kids with?

Nothing?

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey liberals, I know you think it sucks that the kid was threatened because he was gay, but in a Muslim country he would not have been threatened at all, he just never would have seen it coming. Suck on that, losers.

WTF is your point? Because things are worse elsewhere we can't improve things here? What hypocrisy is your small delusional mind spouting about?

Suck on this, loser: your side is on a long, slow, decline. No matter how many fingers you try and put in the dam, you can't stop the change. Things that were acceptable and "part of life" - like children being brutalized and tortured by other kids at school - are under new scrutiny, and it will only continue. Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

Get real, kids will always be kids, in fact it's getter tougher. When I went to school we used fists. A decade or so later they used knives, today they use guns. It not a rite of passage, it's life, so before you get your panties in a twist, you need to ask yourself if you want your kid to be tough enough to handle some insults or do you want him to flip out and kill himself?

And to answer your first question, if you don't understand my point, then put on your best Gay Pride Parade Spandex and head over to Iran.

(04-17-2012 07:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:33 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey liberals, I know you think it sucks that the kid was threatened because he was gay, but in a Muslim country he would not have been threatened at all, he just never would have seen it coming. Suck on that, losers.

We can justify bad behavior by pointing to worse behavior. Good to know.

Just pointing out liberal hypocrisy, not condoning anything.

Oh, good. Glad we can agree that both are horrible.

I never condoned the bullying, it does suck, I've gone through, my kid is going through it. But it's time to either be a man or a wuss. We chose to be men.

until your kid kills himself...then you can picket his funeral with your friends at Westboro

(04-17-2012 07:52 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 06:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  What was the suicide rate in past decades when we were more conservative and "hardened up" our kids vs today since feminism, I'm alright, your alright, trophies to losers, sensitivity training, gender neutrality, and all the other sissyfication the left embrace and screw up kids with?

Nothing?

Hang it up Paul, libs don't like facts. To these libs being gay is all the rage.

(04-17-2012 07:54 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey liberals, I know you think it sucks that the kid was threatened because he was gay, but in a Muslim country he would not have been threatened at all, he just never would have seen it coming. Suck on that, losers.

WTF is your point? Because things are worse elsewhere we can't improve things here? What hypocrisy is your small delusional mind spouting about?

Suck on this, loser: your side is on a long, slow, decline. No matter how many fingers you try and put in the dam, you can't stop the change. Things that were acceptable and "part of life" - like children being brutalized and tortured by other kids at school - are under new scrutiny, and it will only continue. Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

put on your best Gay Pride Parade Spandex and head over to Iran.

a worse wrong does not make a wrong, right.

(04-17-2012 07:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:33 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  We can justify bad behavior by pointing to worse behavior. Good to know.

Just pointing out liberal hypocrisy, not condoning anything.

Oh, good. Glad we can agree that both are horrible.

I never condoned the bullying, it does suck, I've gone through, my kid is going through it. But it's time to either be a man or a wuss. We chose to be men.

until your kid kills himself...then you can picket his funeral with your friends at Westboro

F**k off, you piece of ****.

Oh, I insulted you, I must have hurt your faggoty feelings, gonna kill yourself now?

(04-17-2012 07:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Just pointing out liberal hypocrisy, not condoning anything.

Oh, good. Glad we can agree that both are horrible.

I never condoned the bullying, it does suck, I've gone through, my kid is going through it. But it's time to either be a man or a wuss. We chose to be men.

until your kid kills himself...then you can picket his funeral with your friends at Westboro

F**k off, you piece of ****.

Oh, I insulted you, I must have hurt your faggoty feelings, gonna kill yourself now?

game. set. match.

this is the GOP mind.

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

Quote:The suicide rate for Americans aged between 15 and 24 tripled between 1950 and 1994, from 4.5 to 13.7 per 100,000. Over the same period, the suicide rate for adults and the elderly actually went down. Since then, the youngsters' rate has drifted down to 11.1.

http://www.economist.com/node/898176

Damned 50's.

(04-17-2012 08:00 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:58 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:54 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:49 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:41 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Oh, good. Glad we can agree that both are horrible.

I never condoned the bullying, it does suck, I've gone through, my kid is going through it. But it's time to either be a man or a wuss. We chose to be men.

until your kid kills himself...then you can picket his funeral with your friends at Westboro

F**k off, you piece of ****.

Oh, I insulted you, I must have hurt your faggoty feelings, gonna kill yourself now?

game. set. match.

this is the GOP mind.

Gee, if what I wrote was so bad then how did you avoid the trauma and not kill yourself?

(04-17-2012 07:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:54 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey liberals, I know you think it sucks that the kid was threatened because he was gay, but in a Muslim country he would not have been threatened at all, he just never would have seen it coming. Suck on that, losers.

WTF is your point? Because things are worse elsewhere we can't improve things here? What hypocrisy is your small delusional mind spouting about?

Suck on this, loser: your side is on a long, slow, decline. No matter how many fingers you try and put in the dam, you can't stop the change. Things that were acceptable and "part of life" - like children being brutalized and tortured by other kids at school - are under new scrutiny, and it will only continue. Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

put on your best Gay Pride Parade Spandex and head over to Iran.

a worse wrong does not make a wrong, right.

But two Wrights can make a plane. So ******* what?

(04-17-2012 08:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

Quote:The suicide rate for Americans aged between 15 and 24 tripled between 1950 and 1994, from 4.5 to 13.7 per 100,000. Over the same period, the suicide rate for adults and the elderly actually went down. Since then, the youngsters' rate has drifted down to 11.1.

http://www.economist.com/node/898176

Damned 50's.

OK, just so we're clear, let me ask you: do you think bullying is a good thing that toughens our kids so that they are less likely to commit suicide?

(04-17-2012 07:54 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey liberals, I know you think it sucks that the kid was threatened because he was gay, but in a Muslim country he would not have been threatened at all, he just never would have seen it coming. Suck on that, losers.

WTF is your point? Because things are worse elsewhere we can't improve things here? What hypocrisy is your small delusional mind spouting about?

Suck on this, loser: your side is on a long, slow, decline. No matter how many fingers you try and put in the dam, you can't stop the change. Things that were acceptable and "part of life" - like children being brutalized and tortured by other kids at school - are under new scrutiny, and it will only continue. Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

Get real, kids will always be kids, in fact it's getter tougher. When I went to school we used fists. A decade or so later they used knives, today they use guns. It not a rite of passage, it's life, so before you get your panties in a twist, you need to ask yourself if you want your kid to be tough enough to handle some insults or do you want him to flip out and kill himself?

And to answer your first question, if you don't understand my point, then put on your best Gay Pride Parade Spandex and head over to Iran.

Where did you come up with the notion that I think anything that happens in Iran to gays is a good thing. Do you think we should aspire as a nation to Iran's way of handling things? Or is your point "Well, at least we aren't as bad as them."

Kids will always be kids. Sure. There are going to be episodes in every child's life that will be difficult and full of conflict. But there are things we can do to improve the current situation; and oddly enough, largely because of religious hysteria, the GOP likes to put up roadblocks. "OMG if Johnny thinks that being gay's OK and you can still have a normal life, he might - gasp - - not turn out to be riddled with doubt, fear and guilt if he should turn out to be gay!!!! We can't have that!!!!!"

(04-17-2012 08:20 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:54 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Hey liberals, I know you think it sucks that the kid was threatened because he was gay, but in a Muslim country he would not have been threatened at all, he just never would have seen it coming. Suck on that, losers.

WTF is your point? Because things are worse elsewhere we can't improve things here? What hypocrisy is your small delusional mind spouting about?

Suck on this, loser: your side is on a long, slow, decline. No matter how many fingers you try and put in the dam, you can't stop the change. Things that were acceptable and "part of life" - like children being brutalized and tortured by other kids at school - are under new scrutiny, and it will only continue. Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

Get real, kids will always be kids, in fact it's getter tougher. When I went to school we used fists. A decade or so later they used knives, today they use guns. It not a rite of passage, it's life, so before you get your panties in a twist, you need to ask yourself if you want your kid to be tough enough to handle some insults or do you want him to flip out and kill himself?

And to answer your first question, if you don't understand my point, then put on your best Gay Pride Parade Spandex and head over to Iran.

Where did you come up with the notion that I think anything that happens in Iran to gays is a good thing. Do you think we should aspire as a nation to Iran's way of handling things? Or is your point "Well, at least we aren't as bad as them."

Kids will always be kids. Sure. There are going to be episodes in every child's life that will be difficult and full of conflict. But there are things we can do to improve the current situation; and oddly enough, largely because of religious hysteria, the GOP likes to put up roadblocks. "OMG if Johnny thinks that being gay's OK and you can still have a normal life, he might - gasp - - not turn out to be riddled with doubt, fear and guilt if he should turn out to be gay!!!! We can't have that!!!!!"

It would be easier to answer you if you could put together a coherent sentence because I have no idea WTF you're talking about.

(04-17-2012 08:16 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 08:02 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 07:37 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Your notion that it's some rite of passage that toughens us might have flown in the 50s, but not anymore.

Quote:The suicide rate for Americans aged between 15 and 24 tripled between 1950 and 1994, from 4.5 to 13.7 per 100,000. Over the same period, the suicide rate for adults and the elderly actually went down. Since then, the youngsters' rate has drifted down to 11.1.

http://www.economist.com/node/898176

Damned 50's.

OK, just so we're clear, let me ask you: do you think bullying is a good thing that toughens our kids so that they are less likely to commit suicide?

(04-17-2012 06:57 PM)Paul M Wrote:  What was the suicide rate in past decades when we were more conservative and "hardened up" our kids vs today since feminism, I'm alright, your alright, trophies to losers, sensitivity training, gender neutrality, and all the other sissyfication the left embrace and screw up kids with?

Just asking why some here are blaming the gop and conservatives for teen suicide when, in the 50, we were more conservative and the rate was lower than today since we have gotten far more liberal and sissyfy kids.

(04-17-2012 08:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  It would be easier to answer you if you could put together a coherent sentence because I have no idea WTF you're talking about.

Don't trouble yourself. This is an exercise in futility anyway.

Interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...icide_rate

Some countries have much higher rates.

There are many complex factors that lead to suicide. I wonder how access to prescription meds, firearms, access to information about killing yourself, hearing about others committing suicide, etc... plays into all of that. I don't think people have changed that much; I think our society has changed a great deal.

The fact remains that young gay kids have a very high suicide rate, and that is the issue we are trying to talk about here. Anything that is tried to help the situation faces conservative roadblock over their fear that gays might actually be able to come to grips with who they are and not live a life in denial.

(04-17-2012 02:14 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm angry at adults who encourage certain types of bullying.

Yes...Regardless of the reason...it is not acceptable behavior.

I wonder what type of family life some of the victims have? Can't the kids confide in their parents for help? My daughter told me of an instance in her school of a group of kids picking on one of her friends. I went to the principal and informed him of it. He brought all the parents in and put a stop to it.

Getting your kids to be open with you and tell you "anything" is hard and can be very uncomfortable...but...it could save a life.

The technology age has taken "bulling" and "hazing" to another level. I am glad my daughter is not in school anymore and I don't have to deal with this new age of communication. It is getting crazy.

(04-17-2012 09:02 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:14 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm angry at adults who encourage certain types of bullying.

Yes...Regardless of the reason...it is not acceptable behavior.

I wonder what type of family life some of the victims have? Can't the kids confide in their parents for help? My daughter told me of an instance in her school of a group of kids picking on one of her friends. I went to the principal and informed him of it. He brought all the parents in and put a stop to it.

Getting your kids to be open with you and tell you "anything" is hard and can be very uncomfortable...but...it could save a life.

The technology age has taken "bulling" and "hazing" to another level. I am glad my daughter is not in school anymore and I don't have to deal with this new age of communication. It is getting crazy.

It's very hard, sometimes, for LGBT teens to take that kind of step, especially if they aren't openly gay. I agree with all you've said. It is hard, but it could save a life. That's absolutely correct. If I still had rep points to give today, I'd give them to you.

(04-17-2012 09:10 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 09:02 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:14 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm angry at adults who encourage certain types of bullying.

Yes...Regardless of the reason...it is not acceptable behavior.

I wonder what type of family life some of the victims have? Can't the kids confide in their parents for help? My daughter told me of an instance in her school of a group of kids picking on one of her friends. I went to the principal and informed him of it. He brought all the parents in and put a stop to it.

Getting your kids to be open with you and tell you "anything" is hard and can be very uncomfortable...but...it could save a life.

The technology age has taken "bulling" and "hazing" to another level. I am glad my daughter is not in school anymore and I don't have to deal with this new age of communication. It is getting crazy.

It's very hard, sometimes, for LGBT teens to take that kind of step, especially if they aren't openly gay. I agree with all you've said. It is hard, but it could save a life. That's absolutely correct. If I still had rep points to give today, I'd give them to you.

I got you covered.

(04-17-2012 09:02 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Can't the kids confide in their parents for help?

Sometimes not. They are embarrassed, or afraid of making the situation worse. And certain afraid of their parents suspecting they might be gay. They don't want their parents to have pity on them. A whole host of reasons.

And constant anti-gay rhetoric does not make it easier for kids who are gay to confide in their parents because they have no idea how their parents might react. Some parents react very very poorly.