LOL now that the ease with which one can subvert the process when voting the DC board of elections wants to do something... tho the person who exposed it!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...ernment%29

In the aftermath of James O’Keefe’s shock video showing a young white man strolling into a polling place in Washington DC and promptly being offered Attorney General Eric Holder’s ballot, the District of Columbia Board of Elections acted … by condemning O’Keefe. Board chairwoman Deborah Nichols railed:

Quote: “I have directed our attorneys to conduct a thorough investigation and refer all evidence to law enforcement authorities for appropriate action. Our polling places are open to the media and observers who want to legally document our procedures for checking in voters. There is never any justification for disrupting the voting process with fraudulent activity. We will take any and all appropriate actions to ensure the integrity of our voting process and we will vigorously seek to hold anyone and everyone accountable for interference with that process to the fullest extent permitted by law.”

Wonder if Breitbart will be voting this year?

Nonsense, this administration promised to be protective of whistleblowers.

(04-16-2012 01:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  LOL now that the ease with which one can subvert the process when voting the DC board of elections wants to do something... tho the person who exposed it!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...ernment%29

In the aftermath of James O’Keefe’s shock video showing a young white man strolling into a polling place in Washington DC and promptly being offered Attorney General Eric Holder’s ballot, the District of Columbia Board of Elections acted … by condemning O’Keefe. Board chairwoman Deborah Nichols railed:

Quote: “I have directed our attorneys to conduct a thorough investigation and refer all evidence to law enforcement authorities for appropriate action. Our polling places are open to the media and observers who want to legally document our procedures for checking in voters. There is never any justification for disrupting the voting process with fraudulent activity. We will take any and all appropriate actions to ensure the integrity of our voting process and we will vigorously seek to hold anyone and everyone accountable for interference with that process to the fullest extent permitted by law.”

Translation: We've been caught being very lax on the rules. Therefore, we MUST shoot the messenger.

Rob - Breitbart was not a Democrat so I doubt that his ballot will be filled out this time around.

A lot of silence (Rob's irrelevant comments aside) from the "IDs ARE RACIST!!!!" and "VOTER FRAUD DOESN'T EXIST" crowds.

Have your voter registration card when you vote. Require that, if you want ID's for safeguarding then go for it. Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal. ID's are good for voting. I'd use mine even if there wasn't a law requiring me to, I don't want someone else voting in my place.

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal.

And outlawing contraception is a bad thing too... But no one is even proposing that.

Accommodations have been made for those wanting a free ID for voting purposes in places where ID is required.

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Have your voter registration card when you vote. Require that, if you want ID's for safeguarding then go for it. Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal. ID's are good for voting. I'd use mine even if there wasn't a law requiring me to, I don't want someone else voting in my place.

Meh... Some nominal fee every few years isn't a deterrent to voting... There should be plenty of groups to subsidize them, or give them free to people when they fill out the same basic information to get their benefits if they truly are poor. You know, like when they show their utility bill and social security card or whatever it takes to sign up for welfare or unemployment, they can Get an id so they can more easily apply for a job.

Asking someone who makes $2,000/month or more to pay $10 every 4 or ten years so they can have an I'd, including all of the other things that it would get for them... Doesn't have the effect of a poll tax.... Keeping someone from voting.

(04-16-2012 05:43 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal.

And outlawing contraception is a bad thing too... But no one is even proposing that.

Accommodations have been made for those wanting a free ID for voting purposes in places where ID is required.

Poll tax = unconstitutional. Provide a free, special Voting ID with proper picture identification and address, problem solved. When your only option is a driver's license things get complicated. If there is a special voting ID... that's awesome! (contraception? what?)

(04-16-2012 05:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Have your voter registration card when you vote. Require that, if you want ID's for safeguarding then go for it. Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal. ID's are good for voting. I'd use mine even if there wasn't a law requiring me to, I don't want someone else voting in my place.

Meh... Some nominal fee every few years isn't a deterrent to voting... There should be plenty of groups to subsidize them, or give them free to people when they fill out the same basic information to get their benefits if they truly are poor. You know, like when they show their utility bill and social security card or whatever it takes to sign up for welfare or unemployment, they can Get an id so they can more easily apply for a job.

Asking someone who makes $2,000/month or more to pay $10 every 4 or ten years so they can have an I'd, including all of the other things that it would get for them... Doesn't have the effect of a poll tax.... Keeping someone from voting.

That's what you'd think, but Mississippi charged $2 poll tax back in the day and it turned people away (that's about $11 in today's terms I think). Not saying that's true today, but it's happened before. I'd rather everyone have ID's so this would be nice and simple, but unfortunately that's not the case.

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Have your voter registration card when you vote. Require that, if you want ID's for safeguarding then go for it. Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal.

I thought Dems loved taxes. I thought taxes were patriotic. Where's the "shared sacrifice"?

(04-16-2012 07:05 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Have your voter registration card when you vote. Require that, if you want ID's for safeguarding then go for it. Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal.

I thought Dems loved taxes. I thought taxes were patriotic. Where's the "shared sacrifice"?

I doubt anyone "loves" taxes. Taxes are patriotic, they support your country. What's not patriotic, though, is using those taxes to single people out, either to keep them from something or give them extra. FYI taxes keep government running. No tax = no government.

(04-16-2012 05:47 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:43 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal.

And outlawing contraception is a bad thing too... But no one is even proposing that.

Accommodations have been made for those wanting a free ID for voting purposes in places where ID is required.

Poll tax = unconstitutional. Provide a free, special Voting ID with proper picture identification and address, problem solved. When your only option is a driver's license things get complicated. If there is a special voting ID... that's awesome! (contraception? what?)

Re-read the bolded part. "Poll taxes" aren't an issue. You're raising an issue that isn't an issue, just like when Stephanopoulos started asking about making contraception illegal.

You not being able to connect those dots is another problem altogether.

(04-16-2012 07:35 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:47 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:43 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 05:20 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal.

And outlawing contraception is a bad thing too... But no one is even proposing that.

Accommodations have been made for those wanting a free ID for voting purposes in places where ID is required.

Poll tax = unconstitutional. Provide a free, special Voting ID with proper picture identification and address, problem solved. When your only option is a driver's license things get complicated. If there is a special voting ID... that's awesome! (contraception? what?)

Re-read the bolded part. "Poll taxes" aren't an issue. You're raising an issue that isn't an issue, just like when Stephanopoulos started asking about making contraception illegal.

You not being able to connect those dots is another problem altogether.

All I said that started all this "debating" was: "Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal." I can connect the dots perfectly fine without your comments telling me I can't, thank you. You conservatives on here seem to attack anything I say that doesn't flow with your ideas. I said I support using ID's, I don't want someone voting in my place. Are those accommodations in every state with a voter ID law? My point was there'd better be, otherwise I feel like that's a poll tax. "If you want ID's for voting, then go for it." I support using ID's for voting, it makes sense.

I would go for voter ID's too. As long as they are provided to people who can't afford them. Nothing is more important to a democracy than the perception of a fair election. I think it's a manufactured controversy but the other side is up in arms about it. So we all should try to find a way to address their concerns.

(04-16-2012 07:41 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  All I said that started all this "debating" was: "Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal."

Similar to Georgie asking about banning contraception. It isn't an issue, but you presented it like it is.

(04-16-2012 08:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I would go for voter ID's too. As long as they are provided to people who can't afford them.

They are. As soon as voter ID laws were presented someone said "Hey, don't IDs cost $$?? Couldn't that be a Poll Tax??" and they came back with "OK, we'll give out Voter IDs for FREE!!". The problem that never existed was solved.

In Ohio. They cost 7 dollars. that's a deterrent to the poor. i can't speak for any other state. In Ohio they cost dinero.

(04-16-2012 09:04 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 07:41 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  All I said that started all this "debating" was: "Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal."

Similar to Georgie asking about banning contraception. It isn't an issue, but you presented it like it is.

(04-16-2012 08:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I would go for voter ID's too. As long as they are provided to people who can't afford them.

They are. As soon as voter ID laws were presented someone said "Hey, don't IDs cost $$?? Couldn't that be a Poll Tax??" and they came back with "OK, we'll give out Voter IDs for FREE!!". The problem that never existed was solved.

So everywhere that Voter ID laws are in place, you can get totally 100% free ID's just for voting? If that's true then that makes me very happy!

Ohio has voter ID laws and THEY ARE NOT FREE.

(04-16-2012 09:23 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 09:04 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 07:41 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  All I said that started all this "debating" was: "Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal."

Similar to Georgie asking about banning contraception. It isn't an issue, but you presented it like it is.

(04-16-2012 08:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I would go for voter ID's too. As long as they are provided to people who can't afford them.

They are. As soon as voter ID laws were presented someone said "Hey, don't IDs cost $$?? Couldn't that be a Poll Tax??" and they came back with "OK, we'll give out Voter IDs for FREE!!". The problem that never existed was solved.

So everywhere that Voter ID laws are in place, you can get totally 100% free ID's just for voting? If that's true then that makes me very happy!

So everywhere with voter I'd charges you?

(04-16-2012 09:58 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 09:23 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 09:04 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 07:41 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  All I said that started all this "debating" was: "Forcing people to pay for the ID's if they get them just for voting is a poll tax, which is illegal."

Similar to Georgie asking about banning contraception. It isn't an issue, but you presented it like it is.

(04-16-2012 08:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I would go for voter ID's too. As long as they are provided to people who can't afford them.

They are. As soon as voter ID laws were presented someone said "Hey, don't IDs cost $$?? Couldn't that be a Poll Tax??" and they came back with "OK, we'll give out Voter IDs for FREE!!". The problem that never existed was solved.

So everywhere that Voter ID laws are in place, you can get totally 100% free ID's just for voting? If that's true then that makes me very happy!

So everywhere with voter I'd charges you?

No. You have to pay for the ID to vote. There are places that have free ID's, but it doesn't appear that's everywhere. I wish you could get free ID's to vote everywhere.