So it appears we have 1 boomer and only one rich.

What do you know, Max was wrong again.

SOAF is pretty old I believe.

But as I mentioned on the rich thing...isn't everyone basically going to say they aren't rich since the American philosophy is almost always to want more wealth?

We're all rich compared to RobertN...

(04-10-2012 03:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  SOAF is pretty old I believe.

But as I mentioned on the rich thing...isn't everyone basically going to say they aren't rich since the American philosophy is almost always to want more wealth?

How bout we define "rich" as Obama does. Household income over 250k? (though I'd argue that is still very much middle class.

And I'm still not rich.

(04-10-2012 03:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  SOAF is pretty old I believe.

But as I mentioned on the rich thing...isn't everyone basically going to say they aren't rich since the American philosophy is almost always to want more wealth?

Damn right I need more wealth. Gotta get more strippers through college.

Age - 39
Race - Caucasian
Class - upper middle class
Selfish - support several charities
Boomer - nope
Religion - nope. Raised Catholic, but now firmly agnostic.
Politics - generally progressive
Family - married, no kids

TampaKnight:
Age - 20
Race - Caucasian
Class - American middle class (makes me wealthier than most of the modern world)
Selfish - in many ways, yes
Boomer - Heh...not even close.
Religious - not religious at all, my relationship with Christ condemns ritual practices like 'religion'
Politics - 'Render to Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render to God that which is God's' - Matthew 22:21

Age: 29
Race: cracker
Class: over $100k if the wife keeps working after our first kid is born, under if I'm the sole provider. place me where you want
selfish: i help those who truly want and need help
generation: x or y, not sure of where the line of demarcation is
religion: raised southern baptist, currently attend a methodist church
politics: fiscally conservative, socially moderate, mentally libertarian

Age: 26
Race: White!
Class: Lower middle class? Middle class? Somewhere in there.
Selfish: nope, I give to charities when I can and try to volunteer as well
Generation: Y
Religion: not really, I do pray on occasion
Politics: Libertarian
College Degree: Yes
Hails from a small down of around 11,000.

(04-10-2012 03:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2012 03:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  SOAF is pretty old I believe.

But as I mentioned on the rich thing...isn't everyone basically going to say they aren't rich since the American philosophy is almost always to want more wealth?

How bout we define "rich" as Obama does. Household income over 250k? (though I'd argue that is still very much middle class.

And I'm still not rich.

Rather difficult to call household income over 250K as middle class when that's in the top 2% nationally.

Middle class should be near the middle. Hence the name "middle class."

It's been my experience that most liberal minded progressives are college educated city dwellers.

conservative minded people are high school educated from small towns.

Ill be 52 next week.

I fully support mans inherent selfishness including my own..but..I do volunteer both a portion of my income and my time to charity and community organizations.

Upper Middle class as of now(thanks to hard working wife)

Presbyterian but firmly exploring Quakerism.

Classical Liberal politically

Married 27 years
One child...graduating from college in May.

(04-10-2012 04:15 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-10-2012 03:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2012 03:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  SOAF is pretty old I believe.

But as I mentioned on the rich thing...isn't everyone basically going to say they aren't rich since the American philosophy is almost always to want more wealth?

How bout we define "rich" as Obama does. Household income over 250k? (though I'd argue that is still very much middle class.

And I'm still not rich.

Rather difficult to call household income over 250K as middle class when that's in the top 2% nationally.

Middle class should be near the middle. Hence the name "middle class."

If you make approximately 47k a year you are in the top 1% of wage earners in the world. You call that rich?

Being in the "middle" of a graph doesn't make you middle class. When I say Middle class I'm thinking more a lifestyle designation.

(04-10-2012 04:27 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  If you make approximately 47k a year you are in the top 1% of wage earners in the world. You call that rich?

No I call that deflection. We were not talking about the rest of the world.

(04-10-2012 04:27 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Being in the "middle" of a graph doesn't make you middle class. When I say Middle class I'm thinking more a lifestyle designation.

You can't reinvent the term to suit your own agenda.

(04-10-2012 04:36 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-10-2012 04:27 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  If you make approximately 47k a year you are in the top 1% of wage earners in the world. You call that rich?

No I call that deflection. We were not talking about the rest of the world.

...said TOGC to the guy who created the thread and originally posed the question.

TOGC Wrote:

(04-10-2012 04:27 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Being in the "middle" of a graph doesn't make you middle class. When I say Middle class I'm thinking more a lifestyle designation.

You can't reinvent the term to suit your own agenda.

It was an arbitrary term to begin with. There are no specific criteria to be "middle class."

(04-10-2012 04:36 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-10-2012 04:27 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  If you make approximately 47k a year you are in the top 1% of wage earners in the world. You call that rich?

No I call that deflection. We were not talking about the rest of the world.

I was illustrating a point. One that clearly escapes you.

Quote:You can't reinvent the term to suit your own agenda.

I'm not reinventing boo boo. Middle class and middle income are not the same thing. You can't make them mean the same thing to suit your own agenda.

Read up

Quote:Jared Bernstein, chief economist and economic policy adviser to the vice president (Biden), wrote this on the Middle Class Task Force Blog:

I think it’s important for us to use a broad definition of "middle class" that encompasses the various levels of middle class. The Census Bureau tells us that the median household income—the income of the household smack in the middle of the income scale—is about $50,000, so that’s certainly got to be considered a middle-class income. But a more comprehensive definition must go a lot further. My boss, the Vice President, often describes the "middle class" as any family that can’t afford to miss more than two or three paychecks without financial difficulty. Given job market turmoil, that’s an awfully timely way to think about the question. It used to be that the middle class was able to achieve the American dream of owning a decent home in a safe neighborhood with a good public school, having access to affordable health care, saving for college and retirement, and enjoying the occasional meal out, movie, and vacation. The problem is that many middle class families are no longer able to achieve this dream. The task force will focus on making the American dream accessible again to the middle class.

Move along now.

Age: 55
Race: Italian-American (with a little German, Armenian and Irish tossed in)
Class: I have a lot of class but it's all low.
Selfish: No, but I just don't give it away to any swinging dick with a good story. The wife is excessively generous to a fault.
Religion: Born Catholic but drifted. Believe in myself and family these days.
Politics: Moderate republican. Liberals make me puke
Degree: Almost, but not quite. Paid back my own government loan.
Married: Yes, twice actually and both times to a woman who was born a woman and I shouldn't need to explain this but the redefinition of marriage is forcing me to.
Children: One 13 year old boy
Pets: One fat adopted cat (mine) one Persian (the wife's)
Im the oldest of 8 kids, 6 who are still on this planet.
Lost my virginity at 16.

(04-10-2012 04:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2012 04:36 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-10-2012 04:27 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  If you make approximately 47k a year you are in the top 1% of wage earners in the world. You call that rich?

No I call that deflection. We were not talking about the rest of the world.

I was illustrating a point. One that clearly escapes you.

Quote:You can't reinvent the term to suit your own agenda.

I'm not reinventing boo boo. Middle class and middle income are not the same thing. You can't make them mean the same thing to suit your own agenda.

Read up

Quote:Jared Bernstein, chief economist and economic policy adviser to the vice president (Biden), wrote this on the Middle Class Task Force Blog:

I think it’s important for us to use a broad definition of "middle class" that encompasses the various levels of middle class. The Census Bureau tells us that the median household income—the income of the household smack in the middle of the income scale—is about $50,000, so that’s certainly got to be considered a middle-class income. But a more comprehensive definition must go a lot further. My boss, the Vice President, often describes the "middle class" as any family that can’t afford to miss more than two or three paychecks without financial difficulty. Given job market turmoil, that’s an awfully timely way to think about the question. It used to be that the middle class was able to achieve the American dream of owning a decent home in a safe neighborhood with a good public school, having access to affordable health care, saving for college and retirement, and enjoying the occasional meal out, movie, and vacation. The problem is that many middle class families are no longer able to achieve this dream. The task force will focus on making the American dream accessible again to the middle class.

Move along now.

If you're going to make up stuff, at least make it plausible. You just make up random silly crap that is indefensible.

(04-10-2012 06:24 PM)TOGC Wrote:  If you're going to make up stuff, at least make it plausible. You just make up random silly crap that is indefensible.

I didn't make anything up boo boo.

Middle Income and Middle Class are not the same thing.

Jared Bernstein, chief economist and economic policy adviser to vice president Biden clearly shares that same viewpoint.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. Now granted, I know you're embarrassed that you were exposed in your attempt to be a d0uche. No one ever likes that. Don't compound it by not shutting up and moving on. You only hurt yourself.

(04-10-2012 06:29 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  I am a d0uche.

Only thing you posted that was correct.