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(04-03-2012 01:02 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  Claiborne has a learning disability and made extensive use of disability services at LSU to help him pass his classes. Please do your research before insulting a kid who's busted his ass to overcome a disability.

He has a learning disability that basically makes him illiterate? And he is in college? How? Why? Who is that fair to?

I have a growing disability, should I require UAB place a trampoline on the basketball court so I can be the same height as those guys out there and have a chance to play?

Everybody has breaks in life. Some seem luckier than others. It's life. If you can't score higher than a 4 on that test, you don't belong in college, period. I'm sorry he has a learning disability. None of us can play football the way he can.
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(04-03-2012 01:12 PM)Uncle BLAZER Wrote:  
(04-03-2012 01:02 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  Claiborne has a learning disability and made extensive use of disability services at LSU to help him pass his classes. Please do your research before insulting a kid who's busted his ass to overcome a disability.

Ok.
Kudos to him. (Not being sarcastic) Maybe he is an exception but there are many others who do not have that excuse and perform the same way.
The fact is we glorify being "stupid" in today's world. We accept less than the best from our kids(and other people's kids) more times than not.
I am not saying him in particular, he is an exception.

In general, I agree with you completely. The glorification of mediocrity, intelligence-wise, is disheartening.

However, the Wonderlic is not the best judge of that. The "sample Wonderlic" questions you see out there are almost exclusively dumbed down versions of the real test, and most people don't know how the Wonderlic works. You have exactly 12 minutes to answer 50 questions, giving you roughly 15 seconds per question if you want to answer all 50 questions.

For people like Claiborne, who has a reading comprehension disorder, the test is nearly impossible to do well on. Either you can focus on answering the questions right, and only get to a few of them, or answer questions you don't fully understand and hope you get lucky on your guesses. I actually have more respect for him doing the best he could, rather than guessing randomly or marking all Cs as some players have done in the past.
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(04-03-2012 01:22 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(04-03-2012 01:02 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  Claiborne has a learning disability and made extensive use of disability services at LSU to help him pass his classes. Please do your research before insulting a kid who's busted his ass to overcome a disability.

He has a learning disability that basically makes him illiterate? And he is in college? How? Why? Who is that fair to?

I have a growing disability, should I require UAB place a trampoline on the basketball court so I can be the same height as those guys out there and have a chance to play?

Everybody has breaks in life. Some seem luckier than others. It's life. If you can't score higher than a 4 on that test, you don't belong in college, period. I'm sorry he has a learning disability. None of us can play football the way he can.

He has a form of dyslexia, which inhibits his ability to comprehend what he's read as quickly and easily as most. He's not stupid, he just can't burn through 50 questions in 12 minutes. You'll notice the average across the whole NFL is in the low twenties. There's a reason for that: it's a difficult test even for very intelligent people.

Are you saying he shouldn't be allowed a chance to go to college because he suffers from a disability? Because it's attitudes like yours that are the reason we need the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and I find your reasoning on the matter to be shameful, at best.
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(04-03-2012 01:26 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  
(04-03-2012 01:22 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(04-03-2012 01:02 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  Claiborne has a learning disability and made extensive use of disability services at LSU to help him pass his classes. Please do your research before insulting a kid who's busted his ass to overcome a disability.

He has a learning disability that basically makes him illiterate? And he is in college? How? Why? Who is that fair to?

I have a growing disability, should I require UAB place a trampoline on the basketball court so I can be the same height as those guys out there and have a chance to play?

Everybody has breaks in life. Some seem luckier than others. It's life. If you can't score higher than a 4 on that test, you don't belong in college, period. I'm sorry he has a learning disability. None of us can play football the way he can.

He has a form of dyslexia, which inhibits his ability to comprehend what he's read as quickly and easily as most. He's not stupid, he just can't burn through 50 questions in 12 minutes. You'll notice the average across the whole NFL is in the low twenties. There's a reason for that: it's a difficult test even for very intelligent people.

Are you saying he shouldn't be allowed a chance to go to college because he suffers from a disability? Because it's attitudes like yours that are the reason we need the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and I find your reasoning on the matter to be shameful, at best.

I am 5'7". Are you telling me I shouldn't be able to be an NBA center because I was born short? We are all born with limitations and strengths.
If he can't read, and likely can't write, what is he getting a degree in that's worth a crap? He should go to a JC or tech college where he can actually get something he can use in the future. College isn't for everybody, just like millions of other things in life.
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Anyone stop to think that maybe he just didn't give a damn what score he got? It really doesn't matter what he scores on it. He's pretty much already a millionaire. It's not really an entry exam.
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One could also say that says something about your work ethic, no?
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(04-03-2012 01:32 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I am 5'7". Are you telling me I shouldn't be able to be an NBA center because I was born short? We are all born with limitations and strengths.
If he can't read, and likely can't write, what is he getting a degree in that's worth a crap? He should go to a JC or tech college where he can actually get something he can use in the future. College isn't for everybody, just like millions of other things in life.

I'm not convinced you don't have a learning disability, and yet we clearly haven't revoked your right to the internet. I don't see what leg you think you have to stand on with your "people who work hard for what they want deserve it less than the people who it comes easy to" position.
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(04-03-2012 02:30 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  
(04-03-2012 01:32 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I am 5'7". Are you telling me I shouldn't be able to be an NBA center because I was born short? We are all born with limitations and strengths.
If he can't read, and likely can't write, what is he getting a degree in that's worth a crap? He should go to a JC or tech college where he can actually get something he can use in the future. College isn't for everybody, just like millions of other things in life.

I'm not convinced you don't have a learning disability, and yet we clearly haven't revoked your right to the internet. I don't see what leg you think you have to stand on with your "people who work hard for what they want deserve it less than the people who it comes easy to" position.

I think you're missing his point. If you have a disability that renders you illiterate and unable to become literate, what good is the college education actually doing? Giving someone passing grades on classes because they have a disability doesn't mean they passed the classes. Maybe it could have been put a better way, but he has somewhat of a point (and I'm speaking in general terms because I doubt any of us really know the true situation)
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Bingo MixedUp. I know people with learning disabilities who have made it through college using these services. They are left with big tuition bills and are unable to do jobs that they weren't able to do before they went to college. I wasn't trying to be a d*ck, but I think my point is a valid one. I could work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week from age 5-18, and I could never become a center in the NBA. Why? I have a limitation. There is nothing wrong with a trade school. Truck drivers, mechanics, guys who work on airplanes and helicopters, electricians, plumbers, etc. all make decent money and do not require a ton of student loan debt. I don't believe it does these guys any good to go to college; they rack up debt and are still unable to do jobs that they couldn't before college.
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(04-03-2012 02:59 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Bingo MixedUp. I know people with learning disabilities who have made it through college using these services. They are left with big tuition bills and are unable to do jobs that they weren't able to do before they went to college. I wasn't trying to be a d*ck, but I think my point is a valid one. I could work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week from age 5-18, and I could never become a center in the NBA. Why? I have a limitation. There is nothing wrong with a trade school. Truck drivers, mechanics, guys who work on airplanes and helicopters, electricians, plumbers, etc. all make decent money and do not require a ton of student loan debt. I don't believe it does these guys any good to go to college; they rack up debt and are still unable to do jobs that they couldn't before college.

Well...not these guys.
If you are a first round draft pick in a major league sport, money and student loan debt (if you had it to start with) shouldn't be a problem. ( I know it still is sometimes but that's another discussion)
But, you're right about the other stuff.
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(04-03-2012 02:36 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  I think you're missing his point. If you have a disability that renders you illiterate and unable to become literate, what good is the college education actually doing? Giving someone passing grades on classes because they have a disability doesn't mean they passed the classes. Maybe it could have been put a better way, but he has somewhat of a point (and I'm speaking in general terms because I doubt any of us really know the true situation)

I've already told you the 'true' situation. He has a form of dyslexia, which is a disorder in which reading comprehension and/or speed may be affected. This could have little to no affect on any type of learning in which time is not a major factor, i.e. most, if not all, classes in college. It would, however, have a devastating affect on a test in which you have 15 seconds to answer a question. If you are just a slow reader and it takes you 1.5x as long to read and answer a question as the the rest of the NFL, you would only even see 35 questions. Take a dyslexic, who may only require a second or third glance at a question to comprehend it, and you're now only seeing 16 questions in the same amount of time.

Now, you mean to tell me that this young man doesn't deserve hit shot at college, simply because he may have to read a question a second or third time? Because he can't answer as many questions in a 12 minute time span as someone else?

No, you're simply assuming that he was given a passing grade, rather than earning it, which is offensive not just to this young man, but to the nearly 20% of Americans who have dyslexia, and in fact all people who suffer, overcome, and thrive with learning disorders.

I have never been more embarrassed to share a fan base with anyone in my life.

- a diagnosed Dyslexic with two BAs and a Masters, thanks to techniques I learned in part thanks to my University's disability support services.
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(04-03-2012 02:59 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Bingo MixedUp. I know people with learning disabilities who have made it through college using these services. They are left with big tuition bills and are unable to do jobs that they weren't able to do before they went to college. I wasn't trying to be a d*ck, but I think my point is a valid one. I could work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week from age 5-18, and I could never become a center in the NBA. Why? I have a limitation. There is nothing wrong with a trade school. Truck drivers, mechanics, guys who work on airplanes and helicopters, electricians, plumbers, etc. all make decent money and do not require a ton of student loan debt. I don't believe it does these guys any good to go to college; they rack up debt and are still unable to do jobs that they couldn't before college.

This is the absolute worst argument I've ever seen. Let me break it down for you.

You will never play center in the NBA because you are a terrible center, but you also have every opportunity to try. You can contact teams and try to arrange a tryout. You can apply for the NBA draft. You can send video of yourself playing to every team in the country.

Now, what if you were a center who was absolutely great at what you did, but were a few inches too short, or maybe 50 lbs overweight? And what if I refused to let you try out, apply, or send video? This is exactly what you're advocating. That since you aren't already perfect, you should not be given the chance to show what you can do.

Thank god, you are not in charge of a college or university, because plenty of people, when give then opportunity, do just fine, even though they have disabilities. I certainly hope that no one ever holds you to the standards you hold others to.
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I know for a fact that there are other posters on this board who have some form of learning disability, and who struggle daily to overcome them and be successful in their academic, work, and personal lives.

If it was your son, wife, or sister who had one, you wouldn't be so intolerant and sanctomonius about it.
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Raises hand.
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(04-03-2012 04:08 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Raises hand.


No Attalla, I think he is talking about me... or maybe it is both of us. 03-lmfao
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You just can't spell, that's different.


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No I have deeper issues that gets worse as I grow older. I'll leave it at that.
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(04-03-2012 04:18 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  No I have deeper issues that gets worse as I grow older. I'll leave it at that.
We could only tell your challenges with growing hair.
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lol

Someone stole all my hair.
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I think everyone is talking past each other. My point, and I think blazers9911's point is that if someone has a disability, that cannot be overcome, what's the point of giving them a diploma? It cheapens it for those who actually do gain something from it. If someone has a disability and can overcome it or reasonable accommodations can be made that allow that individual to progress and learn and grow, then that is great, I'm all for it.

I have no idea as to the specifics of this case, so whatever I've said or say here now I don't mean to apply to this specific situation. If he's got a learning disability that means he's slower at a quick shot test like this but overall can overcome his disability, then that is great and he should be in college. If there were something that caused him to not be able to read, ever, then maybe college isn't for him.
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