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(04-03-2012 04:02 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  I know for a fact that there are other posters on this board who have some form of learning disability, and who struggle daily to overcome them and be successful in their academic, work, and personal lives.

If it was your son, wife, or sister who had one, you wouldn't be so intolerant and sanctomonius about it.

And I have people very close to me with them. They are in that position I'm talking about, and I just don't get why. I'm not being intolerant, I'm being real. We try to treat everybody like they are equal from age 5 when it comes to education. We don't separate kids into ability groups. We don't properly diagnose kids. We just act like everybody is the same and either bore the hell out of some kids or lose others. EVERYBODY IS NOT EQUAL.

And you can say whatever you want, but I'd be laughed at if I sent the NBA tapes as a center. I could never even get a sniff because of my height and you know it.

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(04-03-2012 04:02 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 02:59 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Bingo MixedUp. I know people with learning disabilities who have made it through college using these services. They are left with big tuition bills and are unable to do jobs that they weren't able to do before they went to college. I wasn't trying to be a d*ck, but I think my point is a valid one. I could work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week from age 5-18, and I could never become a center in the NBA. Why? I have a limitation. There is nothing wrong with a trade school. Truck drivers, mechanics, guys who work on airplanes and helicopters, electricians, plumbers, etc. all make decent money and do not require a ton of student loan debt. I don't believe it does these guys any good to go to college; they rack up debt and are still unable to do jobs that they couldn't before college.

This is the absolute worst argument I've ever seen. Let me break it down for you.

You will never play center in the NBA because you are a terrible center, but you also have every opportunity to try. You can contact teams and try to arrange a tryout. You can apply for the NBA draft. You can send video of yourself playing to every team in the country.

Now, what if you were a center who was absolutely great at what you did, but were a few inches too short, or maybe 50 lbs overweight? And what if I refused to let you try out, apply, or send video? This is exactly what you're advocating. That since you aren't already perfect, you should not be given the chance to show what you can do.

Thank god, you are not in charge of a college or university, because plenty of people, when give then opportunity, do just fine, even though they have disabilities. I certainly hope that no one ever holds you to the standards you hold others to.

I have no idea if Morris Claiborne has dyslexia or not. You would hope if he does someone would come out and say it and embarrass the hell out of the people shamelessly posting his score just to get site visits. It could just be that he didn't give a damn and didn't try, or he could be protesting the fact that this worthless test is used at all to judge someone's cognitive ability. Or maybe he thinks it's nobody's business that he has a learning disability. I don't know.

But if he does have dyslexia, anyone who questions his intelligence because he scored low on a standardized test -- and especially this particular standardized test -- is an idiot. The entire point of dyslexia is that you cannot process standardized tests and often have to work much harder to read, and you certainly can't do it as fast as someone who doesn't have that particular function in their brain impaired. To criticize a man with dyslexia for making a 4 on the Wonderlic -- a speed-sensitive test -- is to criticize a man born with no legs because he can't run fast.

Putting it in terms of employment, it is an essential function of the job for an NBA center to be able to defend the rim and post up defenders and rebound. Taller people generally do that better. There is no reasonable accommodation that can make you tall. But, hypothetically, if you could demonstrate that you -- at 5'7" -- can defend the rim and post up defenders and rebound successfully against other NBA centers, you would get to play center in the NBA. In contrast, the essential functions that are necessary for a hypothetical lawyer, for example, require graduation from law school, passing the bar exam, and the ability to think critically about problems clients present and persuade others on the client's behalf. The inability to read quickly can be reasonably accommodated through nothing more than giving the individual more time to take the tests (which is done in law school and at the bar exam). Once out and practicing, the accommodations are self-generated; the lawyer may have to work harder than another lawyer to achieve the same result. But he's not any less skilled. The reasonable accommodations enabled him to compete successfully against other lawyers, but there is no reasonable accommodation to enable a 5'7" person to become taller if that's the only thing keeping him from becoming an NBA center.

And in many cases, the impaired function generates an overcompensation that produces hyper-skill in other areas in the same way a blind person compensates for the lack of sight with smell and sound. Many dyslexics develop a skill to learn visually that more than makes up for slower reading comprehension. And it's this aspect that appears to be the most relevant to Morris Claiborne in particular. According to the ESPN article..."A 2009 study by professors from Fresno State University, the University of Georgia and Towson State found no connection between Wonderlic scores and performance during the first three years of a player's NFL career. The group studied 762 players from the 2002, 2003 and 2004 draft classes.

John W. Michel, an assistant professor at Towson University who co-authored the study, told the Washington Post: "We found in no cases was cognitive ability related to (football) performance. We did find a negative relationship for tight ends and defensive backs. For defensive backs, it was the most pronounced; basically, the lower you scored on the Wonderlic, the better you performed." So it's utterly worthless as a performance indicator, and I'm sure Morris Claiborne will do just fine.

(04-03-2012 04:57 PM)freeblazer Wrote:  I have no idea if Morris Claiborne has dyslexia or not. You would hope if he does someone would come out and say it and embarrass the hell out of the people shamelessly posting his score just to get site visits.

42,000 results for ' "Mo Claiborne" "learning disability" '

It took me three seconds to google. This was a known issue with the kid coming out of high school.

(04-03-2012 04:38 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  I think everyone is talking past each other. My point, and I think blazers9911's point is that if someone has a disability, that cannot be overcome, what's the point of giving them a diploma? It cheapens it for those who actually do gain something from it. If someone has a disability and can overcome it or reasonable accommodations can be made that allow that individual to progress and learn and grow, then that is great, I'm all for it.

I have no idea as to the specifics of this case, so whatever I've said or say here now I don't mean to apply to this specific situation. If he's got a learning disability that means he's slower at a quick shot test like this but overall can overcome his disability, then that is great and he should be in college. If there were something that caused him to not be able to read, ever, then maybe college isn't for him.

I think the opposing point is that there are very few disabilities that cannot be overcome. Tree Missle posted google results that show he has dyslexia. If he does, it would certainly explain why he did poorly on this ridiculous test, and it would have absolutely nothing to do with whether he should have gotten a shot at college and less than nothing to do with whether he's going to do well in the NFL.

People with learning disabilities are not stupid, there is virtually nothing that can't be overcome with effort, and to simply throw up our hands and give up on people who need assistance to master things that come naturally to most is to waste a lot of talent in the world. Anne Sullivan proved that.

(04-03-2012 05:04 PM)Tree Missile Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 04:57 PM)freeblazer Wrote:  I have no idea if Morris Claiborne has dyslexia or not. You would hope if he does someone would come out and say it and embarrass the hell out of the people shamelessly posting his score just to get site visits.

42,000 results for ' "Mo Claiborne" "learning disability" '

It took me three seconds to google. This was a known issue with the kid coming out of high school.

Then if Roger Goodell has an ounce of credibility, he will investigate and punish the person who leaked that score just as aggressively as he did the Saints for the bounty system.

Maybe the NCAA is the problem ...

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A Learning Disabiliity should not be confused with a deficit in IQ which is a totally different problem. It has been shown and demonstrated that the great majority of "LD" students have at least normal IQs and some several points above that. If a school district lacks the funding to carry enough counselors on staff who can recognize and enable regular teachers to properly teach these kids, thay are too often passed off as EMR or even TMR students thus limiting their future prospects. They may end up "branded" for life due to being born in the wrong place in our state.

There is no Learning Disability that can't be overcome with early recognition and correct tactics adopted to deal with it. What is important is to diagnose it before the child develops negative self-image problems due to the frustrations of not being able to learn the same way and with the same ease as his/her peers. When a child can't keep up with their peers, they may fall prey to bullying and other outcast behavior that can result in a capable kid quitting school to escape harrassment by the other kids. They could accept the assumption that they "are just too dumb" to pass the work - after all, even adults often don't know how to deal with LD kids.

It is also important to keep in mind that there are DEGREES of LD just as there are other physical problems and some require very intensive application of special teaching methods to be overcome. The earlier a school picks up on the problem and works to deal with it, the more success the student will likely enjoy. many school districts in Alabama have no such trained couselors in the elementary schools (K-8) and maybe only one or two for a whole high school population.

(04-04-2012 12:33 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  A Learning Disabiliity should not be confused with a deficit in IQ which is a totally different problem. It has been shown and demonstrated that the great majority of "LD" students have at least normal IQs and some several points above that. If a school district lacks the funding to carry enough counselors on staff who can recognize and enable regular teachers to properly teach these kids, thay are too often passed off as EMR or even TMR students thus limiting their future prospects. They may end up "branded" for life due to being born in the wrong place in our state.

There is no Learning Disability that can't be overcome with early recognition and correct tactics adopted to deal with it. What is important is to diagnose it before the child develops negative self-image problems due to the frustrations of not being able to learn the same way and with the same ease as his/her peers. When a child can't keep up with their peers, they may fall prey to bullying and other outcast behavior that can result in a capable kid quitting school to escape harrassment by the other kids. They could accept the assumption that they "are just too dumb" to pass the work - after all, even adults often don't know how to deal with LD kids.

I wondered how long it would take you to discover this thread.

(04-04-2012 12:45 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 12:33 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  A Learning Disabiliity should not be confused with a deficit in IQ which is a totally different problem. It has been shown and demonstrated that the great majority of "LD" students have at least normal IQs and some several points above that. If a school district lacks the funding to carry enough counselors on staff who can recognize and enable regular teachers to properly teach these kids, thay are too often passed off as EMR or even TMR students thus limiting their future prospects. They may end up "branded" for life due to being born in the wrong place in our state.

There is no Learning Disability that can't be overcome with early recognition and correct tactics adopted to deal with it. What is important is to diagnose it before the child develops negative self-image problems due to the frustrations of not being able to learn the same way and with the same ease as his/her peers. When a child can't keep up with their peers, they may fall prey to bullying and other outcast behavior that can result in a capable kid quitting school to escape harrassment by the other kids. They could accept the assumption that they "are just too dumb" to pass the work - after all, even adults often don't know how to deal with LD kids.

I wondered how long it would take you to discover this thread.

This is what I did in my working life -- TEACH. When i started in the mid1960s, there was almost no recognition of "LD" as a problem and most such kids were "dumped" into "Special Education" classes which were more often just glorified day care for those considered "too dumb". Until recently (about the late 70s to early 80s), they were not even considered to be covered by truancy laws and often would not "have" to go to school at all. As with things like the Alabama Reading and Math / Science Initiatives, we know a lot more about how to do the job well than we are willing to afford for all 133 school districts to actually do it. It's one of the many public education problems we could solve by "throwing money at it" if we really valued all our children.

(04-04-2012 12:33 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  A Learning Disabiliity should not be confused with a deficit in IQ which is a totally different problem. It has been shown and demonstrated that the great majority of "LD" students have at least normal IQs and some several points above that. If a school district lacks the funding to carry enough counselors on staff who can recognize and enable regular teachers to properly teach these kids, thay are too often passed off as EMR or even TMR students thus limiting their future prospects. They may end up "branded" for life due to being born in the wrong place in our state.

There is no Learning Disability that can't be overcome with early recognition and correct tactics adopted to deal with it. What is important is to diagnose it before the child develops negative self-image problems due to the frustrations of not being able to learn the same way and with the same ease as his/her peers. When a child can't keep up with their peers, they may fall prey to bullying and other outcast behavior that can result in a capable kid quitting school to escape harrassment by the other kids. They could accept the assumption that they "are just too dumb" to pass the work - after all, even adults often don't know how to deal with LD kids.

It is also important to keep in mind that there are DEGREES of LD just as there are other physical problems and some require very intensive application of special teaching methods to be overcome. The earlier a school picks up on the problem and works to deal with it, the more success the student will likely enjoy. many school districts in Alabama have no such trained couselors in the elementary schools (K-8) and maybe only one or two for a whole high school population.

Thank you for that information.

Sorry to chime in late, but I don't understand why everyone got their panties in a wad over what blazers said. He never made fun of this guy for being dyslexic, he didn't call dyslexics dumb, nor did he insinuate that dyslexics shouldn't be helped or couldn't be successful in school or life. If < 4 = illiteracy, then perhaps Claiborne IS just dumb. I don't think any LD would cause you to still be illiterate in your early 20s. People that are THAT far behind would probably indeed benefit from going the trade school versus college route. What could a person with that type of mental handicap do that actually required much intellect?

Some believe there is no such thing as a dumb person. Only learning disabilities that can be corrected if the state throws enough money at it.

There are definitely more than a fair share of plain old legitimately dumb people out there. There's no way that everyone of them has an LD.

(04-04-2012 10:35 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Some believe there is no such thing as a dumb person. Only learning disabilities that can be corrected if the state throws enough money at it.

As we can all see, that remedy works very well in collegiate football as the salaries listed for so many schools in the Coaching Search web site's lists of coaching pay scales illustrates. It might work in public schools as well if America ever decided it was something of national value. We in Alabama invest about $100,000 per pupil to support playing college football or basketball at AU and UA as opposed to <$8,000 per pupil in K-12 (in Alabama) and soon to decline from there. Thousands of our teachers have left the profession since 2007 and you can safely bet they weren't the ones with the fewest choices.

I didn't know taxpayer money was paying college football coaches salaries. I always assumed it was boosters. I believe I assumed correctly and you are just making up stats to prove your point.

(04-04-2012 11:03 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  I didn't know taxpayer money was paying college football coaches salaries. I always assumed it was boosters. I believe I assumed correctly and you are just making up stats to prove your point.

YOU mentioned "tax payer's money", not me. Alabamians do support paying these two coaching staffs their salaries and the $100,000 per pupil figure is a CONSERVATIVE average of the acknowledged levels in the paper and web site of just the pay for the 10 main coaches especially when one considers all the other expenses the two state programs entail (tutors, study facilities, staff positions (Mal Moore gets about $600,000 just to "manage" the AD office) stadium improvements and upkeep, etc. Yes, a lot of money is "thrown at the program" to win football and basketball games and it illustrates our national and state priorities by what we choose to spend for in a time when the state is in dire financial straits.

Boosters fall all over each other to get to rub shoulders with the state's deities and tell their wealthy friends what Coach so & so had to say to him about the team and they do pay most- NOT ALL -of the coach's pay for the privilege. Entertainers are valuable in our culture and we spend heavily to glorify those who are involved in whatever form it takes. There are three TV gossip shows on every night to keep us up to speed on what these important national deities have been doing since yeasterday's reports. Meanwhile the state is looking for some new CHEAPER way to educate our kids at minimal expense to the state. The latest fad is charter schools and we may see at least some put into operation soon.

(04-04-2012 11:48 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 11:03 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  I didn't know taxpayer money was paying college football coaches salaries. I always assumed it was boosters. I believe I assumed correctly and you are just making up stats to prove your point.

YOU mentioned "tax payer's money", not me. Alabamians do support paying these two coaching staffs their salaries and the $100,000 per pupil figure is a CONSERVATIVE average of the acknowledged levels in the paper and web site of just the pay for the 10 main coaches especially when one considers all the other expenses the two state programs entail (tutors, study facilities, staff positions (Mal Moore gets about $600,000 just to "manage" the AD office) stadium improvements and upkeep, etc. Yes, a lot of money is "thrown at the program" to win football and basketball games and it illustrates our national and state priorities by what we choose to spend for in a time when the state is in dire financial straits.

Boosters fall all over each other to get to rub shoulders with the state's deities and tell their wealthy friends what Coach so & so had to say to him about the team and they do pay most- NOT ALL -of the coach's pay for the privilege. Entertainers are valuable in our culture and we spend heavily to glorify those who are involved in whatever form it takes. There are three TV gossip shows on every night to keep us up to speed on what these important national deities have been doing since yeasterday's reports. Meanwhile the state is looking for some new CHEAPER way to educate our kids at minimal expense to the state. The latest fad is charter schools and we may see at least some put into operation soon.

I think you have identified the problem. Alabamians like football. They don't like ejumacation. Good job.

Did I mention I moved from Alabama and now homeschool my kids.

DO NOT EVEN get me STARTED on all of the HATERS who want to say terrible and UNINTELLIGENT things about people with Learning Disabilities.

How would you like to go through childhood, starting at the age of 6 being told that you are "too stupid" to be in a regular classroom with "normal" kids?

How would you like to be told all of your days in school that you are a "retard" because you had to take special classes to overcome not only a Learning Disability, but also ADHD, *SQUIRREL*and dealing with all the bullying done to you during class?

How would you like to be told by one of your parents that you will never amount to anything in life? (this is starting at the age of 6 people)

How about going through High School and having to deal with students who dont understand why you ride the short bus to school and labeled you retarded and treated you as such? How about being bullied by teachers themselves because you couldn't pay attention in class?

The struggle for graduation from High School was difficult for me because not ONLY did I have a Learning Disability, but I also had ADHD *SQUIRREL* and STILL struggle with it today. This is something that doesn't go away. I have to struggle with it in my daily life CONSTANTLY! In school AND even at my Job, which half of you wouldn't be able to have the patience for, and the OTHER half BELONG there! Are you saying That I am TOO STUPID to pass through College? You can all take a flying leap off a short pier.

I was told my whole life that I was stupid, dumb, retarded, I would never amount to anything and never graduate. I was even told I was not college material, BY A LICENSED GUIDANCE COUNSELOR! :muttering:

I have TWO FORMS of Dyslexia. My reading and comprehension is a little slow, meaning I can read a sentence and go to the question to answer it, but then would have to go back to said sentence to make sure I read it right the first time. I also have a from of math Dyscalculia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia] which is like reading dyslexia but with NUMBERS. I can do simple math on my fingers, but cannot make change in my head, cannot do quick adds, or subtractions in my head, and dont EVEN ask me to do the multiplication tables because I have been unable to memorize them. Division? PFFT. to hell with that. And then there's the math where they added LETTERS to it?!?!

I am currently working on my nursing degree AT UAB utilizing their DSS services. Im allotted extended time, because of the way my brain processes things. I am also allotted the use of a calculator (my own, NOT the computer one) a peer note taker, because sometimes my mind wanders *SQUIRREL* and I dont catch what the teacher says. I also have a 3.70 GPA. Do you STILL wanna say I shouldnt be able to graduate???:noisycricket: Im working MY A$$ off and dont expect a free ride from the teachers either!

I found out the hard way that I am NOT STUPID, even though I am constantly calling myself that ALL THE TIME because it was INGRAINED in my head since childhood. You know, when peers, parents, relatives say something over and over again you start to believe it? Yeah, That's me. YOU HATERS KNOW NOTHING! Walk a mile in my SHOES. It wasnt pretty. It still ISNT pretty! It took me THREE TIMES to effing pass ALGEBRA and thats with a tutor and extended time and everything. It has taken me the long road to get through my classes but you know what? I DONT QUIT. I keep on keeping on. :irate:

And when I walk down that stage and get my BSN in nursing, and get my job as a nurse you had better wish you don't meet me if you need any form of nursing care. Like, say, when you're foot is rotting off from diabetes or something. Do you plan to ask all of your nurses and doctors if they have a learning disability? and then request another doc or nurse because you dont feel they are smart enough to do their job?

Grow up and get a clue people! The children and adults, not just with learning disabilities, but also Mental Retardation, or closed head Injured, understand a lot more about kindness and thoughtfulness that "normal" people ever would. If given a choice , Id rather ride the short bus because the people who ride on it with me are a whole lot nicer and kinder than YOU ever will be! :cursin: :bustacap: :moon2:

Dont say another word till youve walked a mile in an LD persons shoes. Better watch yourselves. You might get hit by a bus or a car and wind up on life support and with the brain of a 6 year old. What are you going to say about us LD people then?? Oh wait, you wouldnt be able to say anything...intelligent anyway. Just like you are now..

Give me an effing break, you have a HEIGHT disability. HA! What you have is an A$$HOLE Disability, and the inability to illicit sympathy or understanding upon your fellow homo sapiens. Are you sure you're a true homo sapiens? You certainly act like a Cro-Magnon to me.. or lets say an even lower form of animal.. like a JACK A$$ perhaps?

Put that in your pipes and smoke it!
:soapbox:

Thank goodness we are getting a new shipment of emoticons in this week.

(04-05-2012 12:49 AM)CrimsonDragon Wrote:  DO NOT EVEN get me STARTED on all of the HATERS who want to say terrible and UNINTELLIGENT things about people with Learning Disabilities.

How would you like to go through childhood, starting at the age of 6 being told that you are "too stupid" to be in a regular classroom with "normal" kids?

How would you like to be told all of your days in school that you are a "retard" because you had to take special classes to overcome not only a Learning Disability, but also ADHD, *SQUIRREL*and dealing with all the bullying done to you during class?

How would you like to be told by one of your parents that you will never amount to anything in life? (this is starting at the age of 6 people)

How about going through High School and having to deal with students who dont understand why you ride the short bus to school and labeled you retarded and treated you as such? How about being bullied by teachers themselves because you couldn't pay attention in class?

The struggle for graduation from High School was difficult for me because not ONLY did I have a Learning Disability, but I also had ADHD *SQUIRREL* and STILL struggle with it today. This is something that doesn't go away. I have to struggle with it in my daily life CONSTANTLY! In school AND even at my Job, which half of you wouldn't be able to have the patience for, and the OTHER half BELONG there! Are you saying That I am TOO STUPID to pass through College? You can all take a flying leap off a short pier.

I was told my whole life that I was stupid, dumb, retarded, I would never amount to anything and never graduate. I was even told I was not college material, BY A LICENSED GUIDANCE COUNSELOR! :muttering:

I have TWO FORMS of Dyslexia. My reading and comprehension is a little slow, meaning I can read a sentence and go to the question to answer it, but then would have to go back to said sentence to make sure I read it right the first time. I also have a from of math Dyscalculia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia] which is like reading dyslexia but with NUMBERS. I can do simple math on my fingers, but cannot make change in my head, cannot do quick adds, or subtractions in my head, and dont EVEN ask me to do the multiplication tables because I have been unable to memorize them. Division? PFFT. to hell with that. And then there's the math where they added LETTERS to it?!?!

I am currently working on my nursing degree AT UAB utilizing their DSS services. Im allotted extended time, because of the way my brain processes things. I am also allotted the use of a calculator (my own, NOT the computer one) a peer note taker, because sometimes my mind wanders *SQUIRREL* and I dont catch what the teacher says. I also have a 3.70 GPA. Do you STILL wanna say I shouldnt be able to graduate???:noisycricket: Im working MY A$$ off and dont expect a free ride from the teachers either!

I found out the hard way that I am NOT STUPID, even though I am constantly calling myself that ALL THE TIME because it was INGRAINED in my head since childhood. You know, when peers, parents, relatives say something over and over again you start to believe it? Yeah, That's me. YOU HATERS KNOW NOTHING! Walk a mile in my SHOES. It wasnt pretty. It still ISNT pretty! It took me THREE TIMES to effing pass ALGEBRA and thats with a tutor and extended time and everything. It has taken me the long road to get through my classes but you know what? I DONT QUIT. I keep on keeping on. :irate:

And when I walk down that stage and get my BSN in nursing, and get my job as a nurse you had better wish you don't meet me if you need any form of nursing care. Like, say, when you're foot is rotting off from diabetes or something. Do you plan to ask all of your nurses and doctors if they have a learning disability? and then request another doc or nurse because you dont feel they are smart enough to do their job?

Grow up and get a clue people! The children and adults, not just with learning disabilities, but also Mental Retardation, or closed head Injured, understand a lot more about kindness and thoughtfulness that "normal" people ever would. If given a choice , Id rather ride the short bus because the people who ride on it with me are a whole lot nicer and kinder than YOU ever will be! :cursin: :bustacap: :moon2:

Dont say another word till youve walked a mile in an LD persons shoes. Better watch yourselves. You might get hit by a bus or a car and wind up on life support and with the brain of a 6 year old. What are you going to say about us LD people then?? Oh wait, you wouldnt be able to say anything...intelligent anyway. Just like you are now..

Give me an effing break, you have a HEIGHT disability. HA! What you have is an A$$HOLE Disability, and the inability to illicit sympathy or understanding upon your fellow homo sapiens. Are you sure you're a true homo sapiens? You certainly act like a Cro-Magnon to me.. or lets say an even lower form of animal.. like a JACK A$$ perhaps?

Put that in your pipes and smoke it!
:soapbox: