(03-17-2012 04:46 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:58 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:31 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:05 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  What I like:

EMU > Ohio
Ohio > UofM

Therefore EMU > UofM?

Can we get a home and home with UofM?

Incredible performance by Ohio U!!! DJ Cooper is amazing. Huge win for the MAC.

Ha Ha, Michigan lost their last 2 games to Ohio!

UofM would never do a home and home with us. They never do anything to help EMU. They are sucky neighbors.

Bob, would EMU ever do a home-and-home for Rochester or Concordia? They certainly have shown a willingness to play these teams so why not play at their place?

There is no benefit for UM to go to EMU. None. Criticizing them for doing something that can only hurt them is not a legitimate complaint in my opinion. You ought not expect of UM what EMU themselves would not do.

Ohio was the better team yesterday. They deserved to win. However, as someone rightly pointed out on here a couple of days ago UM was a bit overrated. They were dominant at home beating MSU and OSU at home, but terrible on the road. 4 seeds should not have such a discrepancy. UM's lack of athleticism, front court size, and inexperience at the PG position made them so. Next that won't be the case as Burke will have another years experience, Horford returns from injury, and they add a celebrated recruiting class that adds athleticism and size.

First off, I'm going to say I respect Wolverine Eagle for expressing his opinion, no matter how unpopular it may be. I'm the same way--I'm not on the EMU payroll, so I don't sugarcoat things.

However, I must say that U-M was highly disrespectful to both OSU and Ohio University. They are arrogant and they've done nothing to justify their arrogance. That is what rubs people the wrong way. After U-M got their asses handed to them by OHIO STATE, Beilein still called them "Ohio." That is why so many people hate the Walmarters.

Secondly, yes I think EMU would have no problem playing a home and home with Rochester or Concordia. Why would Eastern thumb their noses at either one of them? They are not D1 and EMU doesn't strike me as being petty. U-M does strike me as that way. Until they get over themselves and they never will, they are going to continue to be much reviled by everyone except U-M alums and of course, the ever present downriver Walmarters.

Here's my final impression of Ohio's great victory. They were the better team, much more athletic and D.J. Cooper will be playing in the Association in another year.

A few things. The "Ohio" bit is meant to mock OSU's "THE Ohio State University" which is really insulting of Ohio University as Ohio is the older of the two schools. It also is in response to OSU calling UM "That School Up North" which Woody used 40 years ago. I think you need a read a bit more on the subject. It is a football expression developed by a football coach in response to OSU's arrogance.

Secondly, EMU is not in the class of UM nor MSU when it comes to football and basketball in terms of budget and fan support. Concordia and Rochester are not in EMU's class in the same areas.The reality is that EMU would never play at either of those schools because there is no benefit for them to do so. The problem with EMU and UM is that Eastern is so close that there is no recruiting dividend to be paid by visiting. There is nothing "sexy" or interesting about playing EMU at EMU.

Your reference to downriver Walmarters ignores the "Walmarters" who cheer on EMU, MSU, and every other school. It seems a bit stupid to me for you to use the title of a store that quite a few EMU supporters use as a slur.

All I know is that EMU beat Ohio by 13 and U-M lost to Ohio by 5. Also, have you seen some of the U-M "fans?" They are part of the Freudian circus and are in serious need of a comprehensive dental plan.

(03-17-2012 07:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 04:54 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 03:17 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Not that I want to turn this into a "down" on U-M thing, but what struck me after watching the game with Ohio yesterday, was that Beilein kept the players with four fouls in the game. That tells me that he had no one else to put in their place. Translation: They have no depth. He only played six or seven players the whole game. With two of them seniors, and not back next year, they could be in for a relatively poor season. Anyway, Ohio has shown where Eastern needs to be, If we really want to be competitive.

UM actually returns their leader scorer, rebounder, and assists'. They also return a player who sat out the year in Horford. To this they add a three man class as well as another guard in Carlton Brunbrdige. UM is going to be loaded next year.

I would expect UM to go 9, maybe 10 deep next year. 2012-13 is shaping up to be an excellent year from a roster standpoint. Michigan has not had this depth and level of talent since the Fisher days.

:secret: Only members of this EMU forum know the secret story of next year's UofM team:

"UofM '12/'13 Hoops: A Story of Excellence and Depth".

It is not such a secret. Talk to UM fans as well as any who follow the Big Ten.

(03-17-2012 10:36 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 04:46 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:58 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:31 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:05 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Incredible performance by Ohio U!!! DJ Cooper is amazing. Huge win for the MAC.

Ha Ha, Michigan lost their last 2 games to Ohio!

UofM would never do a home and home with us. They never do anything to help EMU. They are sucky neighbors.

Bob, would EMU ever do a home-and-home for Rochester or Concordia? They certainly have shown a willingness to play these teams so why not play at their place?

There is no benefit for UM to go to EMU. None. Criticizing them for doing something that can only hurt them is not a legitimate complaint in my opinion. You ought not expect of UM what EMU themselves would not do.

Ohio was the better team yesterday. They deserved to win. However, as someone rightly pointed out on here a couple of days ago UM was a bit overrated. They were dominant at home beating MSU and OSU at home, but terrible on the road. 4 seeds should not have such a discrepancy. UM's lack of athleticism, front court size, and inexperience at the PG position made them so. Next that won't be the case as Burke will have another years experience, Horford returns from injury, and they add a celebrated recruiting class that adds athleticism and size.

First off, I'm going to say I respect Wolverine Eagle for expressing his opinion, no matter how unpopular it may be. I'm the same way--I'm not on the EMU payroll, so I don't sugarcoat things.

However, I must say that U-M was highly disrespectful to both OSU and Ohio University. They are arrogant and they've done nothing to justify their arrogance. That is what rubs people the wrong way. After U-M got their asses handed to them by OHIO STATE, Beilein still called them "Ohio." That is why so many people hate the Walmarters.

Secondly, yes I think EMU would have no problem playing a home and home with Rochester or Concordia. Why would Eastern thumb their noses at either one of them? They are not D1 and EMU doesn't strike me as being petty. U-M does strike me as that way. Until they get over themselves and they never will, they are going to continue to be much reviled by everyone except U-M alums and of course, the ever present downriver Walmarters.

Here's my final impression of Ohio's great victory. They were the better team, much more athletic and D.J. Cooper will be playing in the Association in another year.

A few things. The "Ohio" bit is meant to mock OSU's "THE Ohio State University" which is really insulting of Ohio University as Ohio is the older of the two schools. It also is in response to OSU calling UM "That School Up North" which Woody used 40 years ago. I think you need a read a bit more on the subject. It is a football expression developed by a football coach in response to OSU's arrogance.

Secondly, EMU is not in the class of UM nor MSU when it comes to football and basketball in terms of budget and fan support. Concordia and Rochester are not in EMU's class in the same areas.The reality is that EMU would never play at either of those schools because there is no benefit for them to do so. The problem with EMU and UM is that Eastern is so close that there is no recruiting dividend to be paid by visiting. There is nothing "sexy" or interesting about playing EMU at EMU.

Your reference to downriver Walmarters ignores the "Walmarters" who cheer on EMU, MSU, and every other school. It seems a bit stupid to me for you to use the title of a store that quite a few EMU supporters use as a slur.

All I know is that EMU beat Ohio by 13 and U-M lost to Ohio by 5. Also, have you seen some of the U-M "fans?" They are part of the Freudian circus and are in serious need of a comprehensive dental plan.

All I know is that UM beat MSU at home while EMU lost by 30 at home to MSU.

I have been enough fans of both schools to know that your insult is ironic. EMU has plenty of social derelicts as well.

(03-17-2012 10:39 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 07:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 04:54 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 03:17 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Not that I want to turn this into a "down" on U-M thing, but what struck me after watching the game with Ohio yesterday, was that Beilein kept the players with four fouls in the game. That tells me that he had no one else to put in their place. Translation: They have no depth. He only played six or seven players the whole game. With two of them seniors, and not back next year, they could be in for a relatively poor season. Anyway, Ohio has shown where Eastern needs to be, If we really want to be competitive.

UM actually returns their leader scorer, rebounder, and assists'. They also return a player who sat out the year in Horford. To this they add a three man class as well as another guard in Carlton Brunbrdige. UM is going to be loaded next year.

I would expect UM to go 9, maybe 10 deep next year. 2012-13 is shaping up to be an excellent year from a roster standpoint. Michigan has not had this depth and level of talent since the Fisher days.

:secret: Only members of this EMU forum know the secret story of next year's UofM team:

"UofM '12/'13 Hoops: A Story of Excellence and Depth".

It is not such a secret. Talk to UM fans as well as any who follow the Big Ten.

Okay to get back on topic :

"EMU '12/'13 Hoops: A Story of Excellence and Depth".

For our Wolverine and MAC friends, next year is our year.

Or O/T but not to the MAC:

"Ohio (Ohio meaning Ohio U, not OSU) '12/'13 Hoops: A Story of Excellence and Depth'

The Ohio team which beat UofM returns their top 7 players.

Bet UofM doesn't want to play Ohio again next March.

A fan on the main MAC board noted that in two days UofM fell to Ohio U. in hoops and to WMU in the CCHA (hockey) finals.

Hm, we will be if Lee is the answer at the point and Bryant and Harrison are more productive as transfers than Riley was. That' being said yes CMU will struggle, WMU brings in an impressive freshmen class so the question there is how fast can they jell as a a team?

(03-18-2012 12:00 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Hm, we will be if Lee is the answer at the point and Bryant and Harrison are more productive as transfers than Riley was. That' being said yes CMU will struggle, WMU brings in an impressive freshmen class so the question there is how fast can they jell as a a team?

I'll take Lee, Bryant, Harrison, Still, Ross, etc.

There are no guarantees in recruiting but I'd think they will be a very, very good class.

(03-17-2012 02:31 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:05 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  What I like:

EMU > Ohio
Ohio > UofM

Therefore EMU > UofM?

Can we get a home and home with UofM?

Incredible performance by Ohio U!!! DJ Cooper is amazing. Huge win for the MAC.

Ha Ha, Michigan lost their last 2 games to Ohio!

UofM would never do a home and home with us. They never do anything to help EMU. They are sucky neighbors.

Bob, would EMU ever do a home-and-home for Rochester or Concordia? They certainly have shown a willingness to play these teams so why not play at their place?

There is no benefit for UM to go to EMU. None. Criticizing them for doing something that can only hurt them is not a legitimate complaint in my opinion. You ought not expect of UM what EMU themselves would not do.

Even if it were a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1, I would be happy. It makes ZERO sense why Michigan doesn't schedule us in hoops every year.

Your example of Rochester and Concordia has no validity, since they are both lower division schools. We are both D1 schools and are 7 miles apart from each other. Hell, even Michigan State, a superior basketball program, did a 3-for-1 with us. It's not like we're playing in a glorified high school gym like some D1 schools have...the convo is a very good venue.

I'm not saying Michigan "owes us anything", but it wouldn't kill them to do a deal like that with EMU. If they can do a true road game at Oakland (one of only 3 true OOC road games...no wonder their record was so inflated), they can drive down Washtenaw and play here once every 3 years.

(03-18-2012 07:36 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:31 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:05 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  What I like:

EMU > Ohio
Ohio > UofM

Therefore EMU > UofM?

Can we get a home and home with UofM?

Incredible performance by Ohio U!!! DJ Cooper is amazing. Huge win for the MAC.

Ha Ha, Michigan lost their last 2 games to Ohio!

UofM would never do a home and home with us. They never do anything to help EMU. They are sucky neighbors.

Bob, would EMU ever do a home-and-home for Rochester or Concordia? They certainly have shown a willingness to play these teams so why not play at their place?

There is no benefit for UM to go to EMU. None. Criticizing them for doing something that can only hurt them is not a legitimate complaint in my opinion. You ought not expect of UM what EMU themselves would not do.

Even if it were a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1, I would be happy. It makes ZERO sense why Michigan doesn't schedule us in hoops every year.

Your example of Rochester and Concordia has no validity, since they are both lower division schools. We are both D1 schools and are 7 miles apart from each other. Hell, even Michigan State, a superior basketball program, did a 3-for-1 with us. It's not like we're playing in a glorified high school gym like some D1 schools have...the condo is a very good venue.

I'm not saying Michigan "owes us anything", but it wouldn't kill them to do a deal like that with EMU. If they can do a true road game at Oakland (one of only 3 true OOC road games...no wonder their record was so inflated), they can drive down Washtenaw and play here once every 3 years.

It is valid to the extent that those schools are approximately in the same position as EMU is to UM.

I do agree that it makes more sense for UM to schedule EMU than say, Oakland. But I think the fear of losing plays a part.

UM played Memphis, Duke, Virginia, Arkansas, and UCLA on the road. That is five. Granted, three of them were "neutral' site games, but technically those are road games.

MSU played exactly 4 games on the road, including the EMU game. EMU is not at the level of any of the 5 teams UM played. 2 of their 4 were neutral site games as well.( vs UNC and Duke)

(03-18-2012 07:36 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 02:31 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:05 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 09:00 PM)emu steve Wrote:  What I like:

EMU > Ohio
Ohio > UofM

Therefore EMU > UofM?

Can we get a home and home with UofM?

Incredible performance by Ohio U!!! DJ Cooper is amazing. Huge win for the MAC.

Ha Ha, Michigan lost their last 2 games to Ohio!

UofM would never do a home and home with us. They never do anything to help EMU. They are sucky neighbors.

Bob, would EMU ever do a home-and-home for Rochester or Concordia? They certainly have shown a willingness to play these teams so why not play at their place?

There is no benefit for UM to go to EMU. None. Criticizing them for doing something that can only hurt them is not a legitimate complaint in my opinion. You ought not expect of UM what EMU themselves would not do.

Even if it were a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1, I would be happy. It makes ZERO sense why Michigan doesn't schedule us in hoops every year.

Your example of Rochester and Concordia has no validity, since they are both lower division schools. We are both D1 schools and are 7 miles apart from each other. Hell, even Michigan State, a superior basketball program, did a 3-for-1 with us. It's not like we're playing in a glorified high school gym like some D1 schools have...the convo is a very good venue.

I'm not saying Michigan "owes us anything", but it wouldn't kill them to do a deal like that with EMU. If they can do a true road game at Oakland (one of only 3 true OOC road games...no wonder their record was so inflated), they can drive down Washtenaw and play here once every 3 years.

We had a deal with UofM 3 for 1 but Beline renege on the deal saying "it was the other coaches deal not his" that is why we had to play Rochester last year for the Convo's 10th anniversary because Beline copped out on the deal.

(03-18-2012 12:19 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-18-2012 12:00 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Hm, we will be if Lee is the answer at the point and Bryant and Harrison are more productive as transfers than Riley was. That' being said yes CMU will struggle, WMU brings in an impressive freshmen class so the question there is how fast can they jell as a a team?

I'll take Lee, Bryant, Harrison, Still, Ross, etc.

There are no guarantees in recruiting but I'd think they will be a very, very good class.

Just a note with the exception of CMU the MAC West should see a major talent infusion with the class of 2012.

(03-17-2012 10:39 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 07:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 04:54 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 03:17 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Not that I want to turn this into a "down" on U-M thing, but what struck me after watching the game with Ohio yesterday, was that Beilein kept the players with four fouls in the game. That tells me that he had no one else to put in their place. Translation: They have no depth. He only played six or seven players the whole game. With two of them seniors, and not back next year, they could be in for a relatively poor season. Anyway, Ohio has shown where Eastern needs to be, If we really want to be competitive.

UM actually returns their leader scorer, rebounder, and assists'. They also return a player who sat out the year in Horford. To this they add a three man class as well as another guard in Carlton Brunbrdige. UM is going to be loaded next year.

I would expect UM to go 9, maybe 10 deep next year. 2012-13 is shaping up to be an excellent year from a roster standpoint. Michigan has not had this depth and level of talent since the Fisher days.

:secret: Only members of this EMU forum know the secret story of next year's UofM team:

"UofM '12/'13 Hoops: A Story of Excellence and Depth".

It is not such a secret. Talk to UM fans as well as any who follow the Big Ten.

And no sooner does the 'ink of this post gets dry' (well, maybe there is no ink....), but UofM depth takes a beating and the talent level suffers esp. if Burke goes NBA.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120...k-Michigan

Lesson: Don't count your chickens until at least September or October.

(03-22-2012 02:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 10:39 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 07:06 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 04:54 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 03:17 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
Not that I want to turn this into a "down" on U-M thing, but what struck me after watching the game with Ohio yesterday, was that Beilein kept the players with four fouls in the game. That tells me that he had no one else to put in their place. Translation: They have no depth. He only played six or seven players the whole game. With two of them seniors, and not back next year, they could be in for a relatively poor season. Anyway, Ohio has shown where Eastern needs to be, If we really want to be competitive.

UM actually returns their leader scorer, rebounder, and assists'. They also return a player who sat out the year in Horford. To this they add a three man class as well as another guard in Carlton Brunbrdige. UM is going to be loaded next year.

I would expect UM to go 9, maybe 10 deep next year. 2012-13 is shaping up to be an excellent year from a roster standpoint. Michigan has not had this depth and level of talent since the Fisher days.

:secret: Only members of this EMU forum know the secret story of next year's UofM team:

"UofM '12/'13 Hoops: A Story of Excellence and Depth".

It is not such a secret. Talk to UM fans as well as any who follow the Big Ten.

And no sooner does the 'ink of this post gets dry' (well, maybe there is no ink....), but UofM depth takes a beating and the talent level suffers esp. if Burke goes NBA.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120...k-Michigan

Lesson: Don't count your chickens until at least September or October.

Lots of negativity in the comments, re Beilins system