http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/o...story.html

Quote:The battle of the sexes, waged this election season with fulsome fury in the public space, is being fought in a much more painful, private sphere as well. In churches (and synagogues and mosques) across the land, women are still treated as second-class citizens. And because women of faith are increasingly breadwinners, single moms and heads of households, that diminished status is beginning to rankle.
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There are churches (many of them) in which women aren’t permitted to preach from the pulpit.
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Between 1991 and 2011, the number of adult women attending church weekly has declined 20 percent. The number of women going to Sunday school has dropped by about a third, as has the number of women who volunteer at church.
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The political analogies are clear. According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, President Obama wins in any matchup against Mitt Romney, Santorum or Newt Gingrich. Among women, though, his gains are huge: 18 points, 24 points and 27 points, respectively. Unless the strident, authoritarian social conservatives loosen their stranglehold on American women, American women will abandon the Republican Party (as they’re quitting church) and look for their candidates elsewhere.

There are so many problems with this article I don't even know where to start...

Suppression of the rights of women, like all human behavior existing today, is an adaptation which must confer an evolutionary advantage or else it would have been weeded out by natural selection hundreds of years ago. In evolutionary psychology circles, it is known formally as the "Keep them barefoot, at home, and pregnant" gene.

(03-14-2012 08:08 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, President Obama wins in any matchup against Mitt Romney, Santorum or Newt Gingrich. Among women, though, his gains are huge: 18 points, 24 points and 27 points, respectively.

Depends on who you ask I guess

Quote:Despite a significant outreach effort to female voters and Democratic accusations of a GOP 'war on women,' a new Bloomberg poll shows Obama losing ground among women from his 2008 vote share.

In a head-to-head matchup with Mitt Romney, women voters back Obama 49 percent to 45 percent — but this is 7 points lower than Obama's 2008 female vote share. Obama captured 56 percent of the female vote in 2008, according to exit polls. And the birth control debate does not seem to have done huge or lasting damage to the Republican party's brand among women. The survey finds that 49 percent of female voters view the Democratic party favorably, while 44 percent view the Republican party favorably.

Conservatives are not engagled in a war on women.

But liberals are. Because if there is one thing liberal dogmatists hate worse than a conservative, it’s an apostate to feminism and liberalism.

Fall in line "Bithc!"

The key takeaway is that class warfare and gender warfare, and a string of social conservative topics, are stealing the topical headlines as opposed to the economy and foreign policy. The opening words of the WashPo article: "The battle of the sexes, waged this election season with fulsome fury in the public space ..."

We can say the willing media helps enable this, which they do, in that the chances of it helping Democrats is likely greater. But the GOP needs to continue to soul-search about all of this and really think about the direction of the overall tone they present, starting with looking back at some of the candidates that became key players in the 2008 and now the 2012 primaries.

I still don't see how Rush's stupid insults about one woman turned into this War on Women crap. Now we have articles everyday about how everything that appears to be conservative (not being atheist is one of them) is against women. The article also fails to mention that a LOT of churches have female pastors, speakers, and officers. It also fails to mention that where women are most barred from--synagouges and mosques--are liberal enclaves.

While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion, they live what would be considered a very conservative life style (obviously some take it to unacceptable extremes, but then again you could say that about almost any religion at different times). They just worship a different god.

(03-14-2012 11:05 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion, they live what would be considered a very conservative life style (obviously some take it to unacceptable extremes, but then again you could say that about almost any religion at different times). They just worship a different god.

I can agree with that I guess if you go off of the modern definition of evangelical.

(03-14-2012 11:05 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion

Amazing since you know virtually nothing about either.

(03-14-2012 11:05 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion, they live what would be considered a very conservative life style (obviously some take it to unacceptable extremes, but then again you could say that about almost any religion at different times). They just worship a different god.

Don't they actually worship the same god - just different rules set-up to get there?

(03-14-2012 11:30 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:05 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion

Amazing since you know virtually nothing about either.

Once again, an inflammatory comment w/ absolutely no explanation from DrTorch, only the third or fourth one this week. You're consistent, I'll give you that much. If you disagree, explain why.

(03-14-2012 12:39 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:30 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:05 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion

Amazing since you know virtually nothing about either.

Once again, an inflammatory comment w/ absolutely no explanation from DrTorch, only the third or fourth one this week. You're consistent, I'll give you that much. If you disagree, explain why.

Inflammatory? You're overly sensitive.

Explain what? Your posts about religions are perpetually filled with errors and misconceptions. Either you know nothing about these subjects, or you're a liar.

Feel free to correct me if I got it wrong in my original post.

(03-14-2012 12:39 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:30 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:05 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion

Amazing since you know virtually nothing about either.

Once again, an inflammatory comment w/ absolutely no explanation from DrTorch, only the third or fourth one this week. You're consistent, I'll give you that much. If you disagree, explain why.

Huskie, if you put Torch on ignore, it greatly helps the average for the righties on this board.

(03-14-2012 12:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 12:39 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:30 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:05 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  While liberals support muslims freedom of religion, at their core Muslims have much more in common w/ evangelical Christians than they do liberals. That's not even really up for debate if you're having an honest discussion

Amazing since you know virtually nothing about either.

Once again, an inflammatory comment w/ absolutely no explanation from DrTorch, only the third or fourth one this week. You're consistent, I'll give you that much. If you disagree, explain why.

Inflammatory? You're overly sensitive.

Explain what? Your posts about religions are perpetually filled with errors and misconceptions. Either you know nothing about these subjects, or you're a liar.

Feel free to correct me if I got it wrong in my original post.

Once again my opinion was explained in the original post (and even agreed w/ by another poster). I have nothing to correct until you prove otherwise, which you clearly will not, nor ever do. You're better off just loudly bitching w/o actually ever making a point or defending what you're whining about w/ a clear explanation. Its like having a conversation with a three year old.

Isn't it true that most democrats are religious?

Muslims and Christians do not worship the same god, no.

(03-14-2012 03:49 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Muslims and Christians do not worship the same god, no.

Well technically it is still the Abrahamic God.

(03-14-2012 03:54 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 03:49 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Muslims and Christians do not worship the same god, no.

Well technically it is still the Abrahamic God.

Correct. I could go into detail if you would like. It's actually pretty interesting.

(03-14-2012 03:54 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 03:49 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Muslims and Christians do not worship the same god, no.

Well technically it is still the Abrahamic God.

Christians worship a tri-une God (God the father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, all one and the same God). Most Muslims are taught that God does not have a Son.

Therefore, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

John 8:19 - "If you knew Me, you would know my Father also."

Muslims do not know Jesus Christ, so they also do not know the one and true God.