(03-08-2012 10:22 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:05 AM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 08:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Since it appears unlikely that many western schools are going to be added, Boise and SDSU might want to reconsider their affiliation. They're going to have travel issues, and their sports are scattered between conferences...

Thier travel issues are similar to W Virginias with regard to football. In fact, since thier other sports will be in the WAC, Boise's Olympic Sports travel may even be a bit easier than the Mountaineer's. As long as the Big East TV contract is in the 8-12 million per team range I think Boise will be ok---just as the extra Big-12 dollars will make the travel a non-issue for W Virginia.

But WVU take in the B12 is probably double what Boise will be getting (if not triple). Its not even close to the same thing...

West Virginia and Boise will be fine. Why does this even matter? Some conference has to make a move soon, We are running out of things to talk about. When 3-4 away games a year breaking a University is the most common topics on here, that shows me we are in need of another shift in the landscape. Kustra and Peterson have said on a routine basis that the media talking about travel issues have no idea how college travel money is used. When they say it is not a big deal and for most Boise fans who fly to games anyway. It is simply another hour or 2 on a plane. But keep pretending 3 more away games will cut their pay in half if that is what you wanna do. It is pointless but have at it.

Based on my previous post, here's what the BE would end up with.

East
Cincy, UMass, Conn, Navy (FB only), Buffalo, Temple, Villanova

West

Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, SMiss, Tulsa, USF

(03-08-2012 10:37 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Based on my previous post, here's what the BE would end up with.

East
Cincy, UMass, Conn, Navy (FB only), Buffalo, Temple, Villanova

West

Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, SMiss, Tulsa, USF

If that happened, what the heck would happen with ECU? Only conference mates left would be Marshall, UAB, Tulane, Rice, and UTEP. I'd assume that UTEP would be gone out west.

To me- this sounds like absolute worst case scenario for ECU.

(03-08-2012 10:29 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  If the BE goes East again with a UMass or a Buffalo or Villanova moves up, IMO at that point, Boise and SDS will second guess and back out.

My first inclination is to say that there would be great gnashing of teeth and cashing of checks in Boise and San Diego. But, if my guesses in the other threads are right or close, the Big East football number is $60M. $60M divided by 12 is $5M. Divided by 14, though, you're looking at $3.57M, which could be less than 2x the Alliance. Once you get within half the money the Big East is paying, geography and non-revenue sport travel may start to matter. And it's certainly possible that the Alliance could cut Boise a sweetheart deal (more money for more Tier 1 appearances like the Big 12 used to do.) Of course, the Big East could cut Boise the same kind of deal, so....I dunno.

(EDITted to fix major screwup--Alliance will not equal Big East $$)

The Big East football contract number does not matter. If they get 60 million for football and 80 million for basketball- the contract is combined to 140 million. The football playing schools would get 70% of that or 98 million. Basketball schools would get 42 million(or 5.2 million). 3 football only schools would get like 6 million, and the 10 all sports would get 8 million.

(03-08-2012 10:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:37 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Based on my previous post, here's what the BE would end up with.

East
Cincy, UMass, Conn, Navy (FB only), Buffalo, Temple, Villanova

West

Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, SMiss, Tulsa, USF

If that happened, what the heck would happen with ECU? Only conference mates left would be Marshall, UAB, Tulane, Rice, and UTEP. I'd assume that UTEP would be gone out west.

To me- this sounds like absolute worst case scenario for ECU.

To me, there is no such worse case scenario then ECU is already in. Why do I not include us instead of USM or Tulsa? The BE has made it clear as well as the Admin at ECU. The BE has not been nor will ever be an option for ECU. IMO the Alliance moves forward if Boise/SDS were or weren't to stay in the Alliance.

If my other scenario held true,
the Alliance would look like (24 teams):

West
Boise, SD State, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada, Colo St, AF, Wyoming, UTEP, Fresno, Utah State, New Mexico

East
ECU, Marshall, UAB, Tulane, FIU, App State, GA State, LA Tech, Ark State, MTSU, Rice, North Texas

(03-08-2012 10:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:29 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  If the BE goes East again with a UMass or a Buffalo or Villanova moves up, IMO at that point, Boise and SDS will second guess and back out.

My first inclination is to say that there would be great gnashing of teeth and cashing of checks in Boise and San Diego. But, if my guesses in the other threads are right or close, the Big East football number is $60M. $60M divided by 12 is $5M. Divided by 14, though, you're looking at $3.57M, which could be less than 2x the Alliance. Once you get within half the money the Big East is paying, geography and non-revenue sport travel may start to matter. And it's certainly possible that the Alliance could cut Boise a sweetheart deal (more money for more Tier 1 appearances like the Big 12 used to do.) Of course, the Big East could cut Boise the same kind of deal, so....I dunno.

(EDITted to fix major screwup--Alliance will not equal Big East $$)

There were 5 sets of TV consultants working indepently for SDSU during the decision process. The lowest number any of them came up with was 6.9 million per team (that represented the amount football only schools would receive). Most were between 10-12 million. Sorry, I'll take thier professional estimates over your back of the napkin calculations.

Just the Rutgers television market alone would likely match the markets of all the remaining CUSA schools combined (or the 8 MW schools). That doesnt even consider that the Big East also has the 4th, 5th, and 10th largest markets. The DMA television footprint of the New Big East is larger than ANY other conference. While the CUSA/MW merger will result in a new better contract, the CUSA/MW and Big East TV contract amounts are not going to be close.

I would have open invites to air force, army and byu before considering anybody else. If all 3 joined than your at 16. I don't know why you would bring in nova football now that temple is in all sports. Long term, I like getting to 10 catholic hoops, add st louis and xaiver? and 10 all sports, than break off into 4 five team pods + have some football only members.

pod 1: prov, st johns, seton hall, nova, gtown
pod 2: dep, mar, ND, St louis, xaiver
pod 3: uconn, rutgers, temple, ucf, usf
pod 4: cincy, lville, memphis, smu, houston

play your pod h/a and maybe 10 others once for 18 game schedule. Maybe each pod could host a tourney with the final 4 going to the garden or bring 16 to the garden.

(03-08-2012 10:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:37 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Based on my previous post, here's what the BE would end up with.

East
Cincy, UMass, Conn, Navy (FB only), Buffalo, Temple, Villanova

West

Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, SMiss, Tulsa, USF

If that happened, what the heck would happen with ECU? Only conference mates left would be Marshall, UAB, Tulane, Rice, and UTEP. I'd assume that UTEP would be gone out west.

To me- this sounds like absolute worst case scenario for ECU.

I actually believe that if something like this were to happen - and it is altogether plausible - you'd probably see East Carolina declare independence, and maybe swallow 7 away games a year. Sunbelt might be a possibility. Today (March 8th), East Carolina turns 105 years old: over the course of that time, getting screwed has never gotten any easier.

(03-07-2012 10:48 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  USM to the BE would lead to the collapse of the alliance I'm afraid.

It wouldn't so no need to be afraid.

(03-08-2012 11:54 AM)WilsonPirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:37 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Based on my previous post, here's what the BE would end up with.

East
Cincy, UMass, Conn, Navy (FB only), Buffalo, Temple, Villanova

West

Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, SMiss, Tulsa, USF

If that happened, what the heck would happen with ECU? Only conference mates left would be Marshall, UAB, Tulane, Rice, and UTEP. I'd assume that UTEP would be gone out west.

To me- this sounds like absolute worst case scenario for ECU.

I actually believe that if something like this were to happen - and it is altogether plausible - you'd probably see East Carolina declare independence, and maybe swallow 7 away games a year. Sunbelt might be a possibility. Today (March 8th), East Carolina turns 105 years old: over the course of that time, getting screwed has never gotten any easier.

TH has been set in his position that Independence is not an option. With schools going to 9 conference games, the ability for ECU to schedule regional games (especially) becomes increasingly difficult. Four courses of action
1. Best case - the SEC comes calling
2. Most likely - Alliance moves forward (until the next wave)
3. Worse case - All Eastern conference full of FCS up and comers and Sunbelt plugs.
4. Most unlikely - BE loses more and finally decides that a red headed step child is better than being childless.

(03-07-2012 11:08 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Another nonsense post by Miko. He must have naked pictures of the Moderators.

Nonsense? He just covered any and all of what is being discussed here and, in a not so intelligent way, packaged it as if he got it from an informed source. Just his way to slam those who believe they know it all as well as covering all bases in case something does come true.

Plenty of what is said here is nonsense. Some of it logical. Rehashing the latest rumors and amatuer analysis is just a good way for Miko to spur on more "conversation."

(03-08-2012 10:21 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  When did he have a comedy routine?
If you believe the UNLV fans or not, UNLV is currently spending millions on their sports programs. I posted a thread on their ambitious football stadium a week ago and the word from fans is UNLV is looking at the PAC-12. The UNLV administration knows the conference's will grow to 16 or at the minimum 14 a piece.
The PAC-12 has limited choices based on their culture and academic standards. So UNLV is making themselves as appealing as possible with a football facility that rivals Dallas.
The PAC-12 can rework their TV deal anytime. Vegas would be big for them. But I can't help but wonder if the PAC-12 will have to lower its standards just a bit to keep up with the SEC and Big 10.

The PAC-12* will NEVER take UNLV.

But yeah, that is funny. I'd never heard that before.

*PAC-12 Expansion. Texas? Absolutely. After that is a tough guess. Oklahoma? Probably yes. Okla St? I dunno. Hawaii? Slim Maybe. TTech? Slim Maybe. Air Force? Maybe. Probably not. UNM? Probably not.

After that, I don't think any school is close to consideration. BYU has already been ignored. CSU programs won't be considered, and neither will CSU (too small market). I doubt Boise St makes the cut.

The Big East will add a 14th football member (for future play) this summer before the 2012 season kicks off. It will likely come from someplace Mississippi Valley and Westward, as suggestions indicate during Wednesday's Big East press conference! We also know Navy will begin using their Big East logos as part of its multiple-year football transition into the conference completed by 2015.

The Big East will go into television negotiations riding high and bring plenty of interest September 1st; where ESPN and CBS will either anti-up or the Big East will say, we're opening this to the marketplace, at that point they'll piecemeal the best offers for each sport tier football/basketball/others from any network and earn their payday... which I think will be higher than some want to give credit.

(03-08-2012 01:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:21 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  When did he have a comedy routine?
If you believe the UNLV fans or not, UNLV is currently spending millions on their sports programs. I posted a thread on their ambitious football stadium a week ago and the word from fans is UNLV is looking at the PAC-12. The UNLV administration knows the conference's will grow to 16 or at the minimum 14 a piece.
The PAC-12 has limited choices based on their culture and academic standards. So UNLV is making themselves as appealing as possible with a football facility that rivals Dallas.
The PAC-12 can rework their TV deal anytime. Vegas would be big for them. But I can't help but wonder if the PAC-12 will have to lower its standards just a bit to keep up with the SEC and Big 10.

The PAC-12* will NEVER take UNLV.

But yeah, that is funny. I'd never heard that before.

*PAC-12 Expansion. Texas? Absolutely. After that is a tough guess. Oklahoma? Probably yes. Okla St? I dunno. Hawaii? Slim Maybe. TTech? Slim Maybe. Air Force? Maybe. Probably not. UNM? Probably not.

After that, I don't think any school is close to consideration. BYU has already been ignored. CSU programs won't be considered, and neither will CSU (too small market). I doubt Boise St makes the cut.

The PAC 12 is not expanding at any time in the near future. Neither is the B1G. When we get down to it, Texas has zero interest in pursuing a PAC 12 invite - none. No one from the Big 12 is going to the PAC. Colorado was the only natural fit and that is already done.

UNLV and Boise simply do not make the cut for the PAC. Neither are close the minimum academic requirements for the PAC. UNLV has a nice market, but can they truly deliver that? IDK. Boise has no market to speak of plus they play on a blue field. Their best opportunity is the Big East, and that was by pure luck because the Big East desperately needed AQ points. Otherwise, Boise wouldn't cut the mustard for BE academic limits either in my opinion. No offense to either of these schools, but I believe this to be the case.

(03-08-2012 07:08 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:21 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  When did he have a comedy routine?
If you believe the UNLV fans or not, UNLV is currently spending millions on their sports programs. I posted a thread on their ambitious football stadium a week ago and the word from fans is UNLV is looking at the PAC-12. The UNLV administration knows the conference's will grow to 16 or at the minimum 14 a piece.
The PAC-12 has limited choices based on their culture and academic standards. So UNLV is making themselves as appealing as possible with a football facility that rivals Dallas.
The PAC-12 can rework their TV deal anytime. Vegas would be big for them. But I can't help but wonder if the PAC-12 will have to lower its standards just a bit to keep up with the SEC and Big 10.

The PAC-12* will NEVER take UNLV.

But yeah, that is funny. I'd never heard that before.

*PAC-12 Expansion. Texas? Absolutely. After that is a tough guess. Oklahoma? Probably yes. Okla St? I dunno. Hawaii? Slim Maybe. TTech? Slim Maybe. Air Force? Maybe. Probably not. UNM? Probably not.

After that, I don't think any school is close to consideration. BYU has already been ignored. CSU programs won't be considered, and neither will CSU (too small market). I doubt Boise St makes the cut.

The PAC 12 is not expanding at any time in the near future. Neither is the B1G. When we get down to it, Texas has zero interest in pursuing a PAC 12 invite - none. No one from the Big 12 is going to the PAC. Colorado was the only natural fit and that is already done.

UNLV and Boise simply do not make the cut for the PAC. Neither are close the minimum academic requirements for the PAC. UNLV has a nice market, but can they truly deliver that? IDK. Boise has no market to speak of plus they play on a blue field. Their best opportunity is the Big East, and that was by pure luck because the Big East desperately needed AQ points. Otherwise, Boise wouldn't cut the mustard for BE academic limits either in my opinion. No offense to either of these schools, but I believe this to be the case.

And then there is Pitt. They do not even have their own field, did not provide any AQ points, and all the education there is wasted on morons who troll message boards.
As for your opinion.......this forum quit caring about your opinion a long time ago.
And despite of what you think or Boise academics, if Pitt would of done its part for The Big East then maybe they would not of had to go to the Mountain Time Zone to find a football team to save them.
There was one more thing. Oh yeah. You are a dick.

The Big East has said #14 will be a western school (BYU, Air Force, Fresno, Colorado State, etc.).

This thread was just an attempt to upset Boise & SDSU fans.

(03-08-2012 07:14 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 07:08 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:21 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  When did he have a comedy routine?
If you believe the UNLV fans or not, UNLV is currently spending millions on their sports programs. I posted a thread on their ambitious football stadium a week ago and the word from fans is UNLV is looking at the PAC-12. The UNLV administration knows the conference's will grow to 16 or at the minimum 14 a piece.
The PAC-12 has limited choices based on their culture and academic standards. So UNLV is making themselves as appealing as possible with a football facility that rivals Dallas.
The PAC-12 can rework their TV deal anytime. Vegas would be big for them. But I can't help but wonder if the PAC-12 will have to lower its standards just a bit to keep up with the SEC and Big 10.

The PAC-12* will NEVER take UNLV.

But yeah, that is funny. I'd never heard that before.

*PAC-12 Expansion. Texas? Absolutely. After that is a tough guess. Oklahoma? Probably yes. Okla St? I dunno. Hawaii? Slim Maybe. TTech? Slim Maybe. Air Force? Maybe. Probably not. UNM? Probably not.

After that, I don't think any school is close to consideration. BYU has already been ignored. CSU programs won't be considered, and neither will CSU (too small market). I doubt Boise St makes the cut.

The PAC 12 is not expanding at any time in the near future. Neither is the B1G. When we get down to it, Texas has zero interest in pursuing a PAC 12 invite - none. No one from the Big 12 is going to the PAC. Colorado was the only natural fit and that is already done.

UNLV and Boise simply do not make the cut for the PAC. Neither are close the minimum academic requirements for the PAC. UNLV has a nice market, but can they truly deliver that? IDK. Boise has no market to speak of plus they play on a blue field. Their best opportunity is the Big East, and that was by pure luck because the Big East desperately needed AQ points. Otherwise, Boise wouldn't cut the mustard for BE academic limits either in my opinion. No offense to either of these schools, but I believe this to be the case.

And then there is Pitt. They do not even have their own field, did not provide any AQ points, and all the education there is wasted on morons who troll message boards.
As for your opinion.......this forum quit caring about your opinion a long time ago.
And despite of what you think or Boise academics, if Pitt would of done its part for The Big East then maybe they would not of had to go to the Mountain Time Zone to find a football team to save them.
There was one more thing. Oh yeah. You are a dick.

WRT, why the personal attacks? I'm complimenting your school for doing some great work to get into a power conference, and you turn around to insult me. I don't get you. Boise has done well for itself despite its limitations. You should be proud of your school - not trying to tear down others because their opinions don't follow your prescribed narrative.

(03-08-2012 11:54 AM)WilsonPirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:37 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Based on my previous post, here's what the BE would end up with.

East
Cincy, UMass, Conn, Navy (FB only), Buffalo, Temple, Villanova

West

Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, SMiss, Tulsa, USF

If that happened, what the heck would happen with ECU? Only conference mates left would be Marshall, UAB, Tulane, Rice, and UTEP. I'd assume that UTEP would be gone out west.

To me- this sounds like absolute worst case scenario for ECU.

I actually believe that if something like this were to happen - and it is altogether plausible - you'd probably see East Carolina declare independence, and maybe swallow 7 away games a year. Sunbelt might be a possibility. Today (March 8th), East Carolina turns 105 years old: over the course of that time, getting screwed has never gotten any easier.

Happy birthday neighbor(s)!

I'd add Air Force first.

If Air Force says no, then go with UMass, USM, or ECU.