(03-07-2012 12:24 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: I don't agree with the above-characterizations, but just for the sake of argument let's say that all of it is true. I can't believe any sentient citizen -- and a libertarian, least of all -- would actually consider Obama to be preferable to Santorum, based on the facts given. From the standpoint of achieving ideological clarity in politics, and also from the standpoint of having elected officials who state their views honestly and candidly (this being one of the constant themes of Barry Goldwater's political career, BTW), your version of Santorum is substantially better than your Obama.
I see Santorum as Dubya's third term, only even FURTHER to the far right fringe on social issues. Even Jesus wants Frothy to tone it down. And I'm full on scorched Earth for Republican neocon nominees. I want them to lose as badly as humanly possible. More good comes from 4 years of a liberal failing and pissing everybody off than comes from 4 years of a neocon further destroying conservatism and flushing the country only slightly slower than a Democrat would. Reference: 2010 elections
Quote:That's unworthy of you, GTS.
Cheap, yes. But no worse logic than the one used by the Froth for carpet bombing most of the Arabian peninsula. Lindsey Graham and John McCain must masturbate to a Frothy foreign policy talk. Even Oliver North wants Frothy to tone it down.
Quote:It is fascinating to me how the mere prospect of a right-wing Republican presidency (with all of its hypothetical assaults on libertarianism) is more offensive to you than the flesh-and-blood reality of a left-wing Democrat presidency, with all of its actual assaults on libertarianism. Including most notably the statist-deformation of approximately 1/6 of the national economy, which will become permanent so far as our life is concerned, should Obama win in November. Look carefully at the economies of the countries that have nationalized their health-care industries. You would really wish that fate on America, just because Santorum's not okay with man/man sex?
It's not just that. Santorum is THE anti-libertarian running. It transcends individual issues and goes straight to his world view:
“I am not a libertarian, and I fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican Party and the conservative movement.”
--- Frothy
"[Libertarians] have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."
--- Frothy
Then there was Frothy commenting on the famous speech by JFK where he detailed separation of church and state and emphatically said that just because he was Catholic wouldn't mean the White House would be taken over by the Pope, and how that speech made him "almost throw up".
Then there was him voting and whip'ing votes for the Medicare Rx Benefit.
Then there was him voting and whip'ing votes for No Child Left Behind.
Then there was him voting and whip'ing votes for the Patriot Act.
Then there was him voting and whip'ing votes for the Iraq War.
Then there was him voting and whip'ing votes for raising the debt ceiling multiple times and (at the time) the largest annual budget deficit in US history.
Then there was him voting against national right to work.
Wrong on civil liberties. Wrong on social issues. Wrong on the debt. Wrong on foreign policy. Wrong on size and scope of government. Wrong on entitlements. Wrong on the Constitution. Wrong on labor. Mostly wrong on economics.
When the GOP trots out another neocon Dem-lite piece of garbage after the unmitigated disaster that was Dubya, they don't just deserve to lose, they deserve to lose in a deeply embarrassing way and by historic margins. I cheer on the destruction of the neoconservative wing of the GOP, because as they crash there is a chance to replace them with liberty wing people, or at least traditional conservatives who actually hold up the financial end of the bargain.