(02-15-2012 01:58 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:50 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:34 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:23 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Having a family makes a huge difference...

If I got laid off I would be hitting every burger flipping joint on the way home trying to nail down a job or two until I could get back into my field (or find something else)

I was laid off once. That was a scary 4 hours.

You're blessed.

Divinely?

does it matter what I think?

Why else would I ask?

(02-15-2012 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-14-2012 07:43 PM)Smaug Wrote:  As someone who spent 8 1/2 months unemployed between October '10 and July '11, I'd have hand-delivered it.

But then, at 29, he might be motivated by people besides himself that he needs to keep fed.

Having a family makes a huge difference...

If I got laid off I would be hitting every burger flipping joint on the way home trying to nail down a job or two until I could get back into my field (or find something else)

I spent my first two months unemployed concentrating on positions I was qualified for. I spent the next 6 throwing spaghetti against a wall.

Even the burger joints. Know what happened? I fill out the application, and they want to know what I've been doing the last 20 years. When I told them, they told me in no uncertain terms, "You're ridiculously overqualified for this. You'll be out of here first chance you got. Meantime, I've got a stack of applications from 20 year old dropouts who don't have any other options."

Did I draw unemployment? Sure did. I used it as the temporary stopgap that I've always believed it should be. Also had a decent severance package, and burned through most of my savings.

No bounced checks, and nobody missed a meal. I'm glad it's over, and never want to go through that again.

(02-15-2012 01:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  To many eligible for unemployment simply take an extended paid vacation. It always (not really) amazes me how people magically find work as benefits are running out.

Didn't feel much like a vacation.

(02-15-2012 07:55 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  To many eligible for unemployment simply take an extended paid vacation. It always (not really) amazes me how people magically find work as benefits are running out.

Didn't feel much like a vacation.

You don't sound at all like you took one.

I admit, I've known far to many people who have abused unemployment among other things. I know to many, including family, who milk it for all it's worth. I've seen people put tremendous effort into NOT finding work.

I wasn't lumping everyone into the same box. I certainly did not mean you or anyone looking for work.

(02-15-2012 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So,

Have you recieved the resume yet?

nope

(02-15-2012 09:20 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 07:55 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:49 PM)Paul M Wrote:  To many eligible for unemployment simply take an extended paid vacation. It always (not really) amazes me how people magically find work as benefits are running out.

Didn't feel much like a vacation.

You don't sound at all like you took one.

I admit, I've known far to many people who have abused unemployment among other things. I know to many, including family, who milk it for all it's worth. I've seen people put tremendous effort into NOT finding work.

I wasn't lumping everyone into the same box. I certainly did not mean you or anyone looking for work.

Understood. I don't doubt there are people who take advantage of the system, but it was a grinding nightmare for me. I think I'd aged 10 years.

(02-15-2012 10:12 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 01:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So,

Have you recieved the resume yet?

nope

Want mine?

Here's what I'd do. You go down to the employment commission and you don't get set up for an unemployment check. You get a physical, and you fill out some information about your skill set, and you get a uniform and a place to be at work the next morning. You work 4 days a week for the minimum wage, you spend the 5th day either in class developing skills (GED if you haven't finished HS, etc.) or making documented efforts to find a job, and you get paid for 40 hours--at the minimum wage.

Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

You want to sit home and watch TV? Fine, you just won't get a nickel from the taxpayers for doing it.

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what I'd do. You go down to the employment commission and you don't get set up for an unemployment check. You get a physical, and you fill out some information about your skill set, and you get a uniform and a place to be at work the next morning. You work 4 days a week for the minimum wage, you spend the 5th day either in class developing skills (GED if you haven't finished HS, etc.) or making documented efforts to find a job, and you get paid for 40 hours.

Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

You want to sit home and watch TV? Fine, you just won't get a nickel from the taxpayers for doing it.

I'd do the same thing for those on the welfare rolls that don't have a physical limitation as well - don't show up...no benefits. Any moron can paint or pick up trash, etc. If you have to do SOMETHING to get money, you'll be more inclined to try & find more permanent work.

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what I'd do. You go down to the employment commission and you don't get set up for an unemployment check. You get a physical, and you fill out some information about your skill set, and you get a uniform and a place to be at work the next morning. You work 4 days a week for the minimum wage, you spend the 5th day either in class developing skills (GED if you haven't finished HS, etc.) or making documented efforts to find a job, and you get paid for 40 hours.

Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

You want to sit home and watch TV? Fine, you just won't get a nickel from the taxpayers for doing it.

I would gladly have jumped on that option if it were available.

(02-16-2012 08:21 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what I'd do. You go down to the employment commission and you don't get set up for an unemployment check. You get a physical, and you fill out some information about your skill set, and you get a uniform and a place to be at work the next morning. You work 4 days a week for the minimum wage, you spend the 5th day either in class developing skills (GED if you haven't finished HS, etc.) or making documented efforts to find a job, and you get paid for 40 hours.
Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.
You want to sit home and watch TV? Fine, you just won't get a nickel from the taxpayers for doing it.

I'd do the same thing for those on the welfare rolls that don't have a physical limitation as well - don't show up...no benefits. Any moron can paint or pick up trash, etc. If you have to do SOMETHING to get money, you'll be more inclined to try & find more permanent work.

Ironic, but LBJ proposed something like this and was attacked for being a socialist. I haven't been attacked yet, but if and when I am those attacks will come from the left and I'll be accused of being a heartless capitalist. Funny how we have changed over time.

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

For instance, National Service (NS) in Singapore, requires all male Singaporean citizens and second-generation permanent residents who have reached the age of 18 to enroll in the military. They serve a 22- or 24-month period as Full Time National Servicemen (NSFs), either in the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF), Singapore Police Force (SPF), or the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) SCDF is the firefighting, rescue and ambulance services.

(02-16-2012 10:14 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 08:21 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I'd do the same thing for those on the welfare rolls that don't have a physical limitation as well - don't show up...no benefits. Any moron can paint or pick up trash, etc. If you have to do SOMETHING to get money, you'll be more inclined to try & find more permanent work.

Ironic, but LBJ proposed something like this and was attacked for being a socialist. I haven't been attacked yet, but if and when I am those attacks will come from the left and I'll be accused of being a heartless capitalist. Funny how we have changed over time.

Today if you tried to do this the state unions would attack you as limiting their rights..

http://www.king5.com/video/featured-vide...29504.html

(02-16-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

For instance, National Service (NS) in Singapore, requires all male Singaporean citizens and second-generation permanent residents who have reached the age of 18 to enroll in the military. They serve a 22- or 24-month period as Full Time National Servicemen (NSFs), either in the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF), Singapore Police Force (SPF), or the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) SCDF is the firefighting, rescue and ambulance services.

I really think every healthy male at 18 should be forced to go into the national guard for two years. No college exceptions, no daddy exceptions...

Do your three months of boot and than if you can fit in school with guard service good on you.

(02-16-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

So put of the indoctrination by colleges for indoctrination by Americorps?

Maybe. But I think it will cause more problems than it solves.

(02-16-2012 10:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

So put of the indoctrination by colleges for indoctrination by Americorps?

Maybe. But I think it will cause more problems than it solves.

Putting kids through boot and giving them some responsibility is not indoctrination.

(02-16-2012 10:40 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

So put of the indoctrination by colleges for indoctrination by Americorps?

Maybe. But I think it will cause more problems than it solves.

Putting kids through boot and giving them some responsibility is not indoctrination.

I was referring more to LS's comment about a national service requirement.

I'm not sold on the idea, period. But, I'm less sold on an Americorps style of service. I'd much rather see the CCC come back. It isn't hard to find mountains covered w/ charred trees from forest fires. How about replanting some of those? Mississippi River levees? Fix 'em. Patch holes on highways. Etc.

If there is service to be done, I want a clear, defined, tangible goal. I don't want "tutor inner city youth" as an option.

(02-16-2012 10:45 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  I was referring more to LS's comment about a national service requirement.

I'm not sold on the idea, period. But, I'm less sold on an Americorps style of service. I'd much rather see the CCC come back. It isn't hard to find mountains covered w/ charred trees from forest fires. How about replanting some of those? Mississippi River levees? Fix 'em. Patch holes on highways. Etc.

If there is service to be done, I want a clear, defined, tangible goal. I don't want "tutor inner city youth" as an option.

I don't especially object to the CCC but I'm sure you're aware that such a group, raised from the dead by our current culture, would be as much of an indoctrination center as anything LS or I have said..

(02-16-2012 10:40 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:37 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 10:24 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Reinstate something like the WPA or CCC. It does things like infrastructure repair and maintenance. Spend several days painting over graffiti for the minimum wage, and you suddenly redouble your efforts to find a job.

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.

Or some type of national service requirement. 18 months from your 18th birthday, no excuses, men and women.

So put of the indoctrination by colleges for indoctrination by Americorps?

Maybe. But I think it will cause more problems than it solves.

Putting kids through boot and giving them some responsibility is not indoctrination.

what do you do with the ~30% that are too fat?

(02-16-2012 11:12 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  what do you do with the ~30% that are too fat?

They won't be by the time boot is over...