(02-12-2012 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What does not add up are the fanciful claims of the Memphis fans. For example:

1) FedEx is not going to give the Big East an additional $10m per year, Good Lord.

2) UM does not come anywhere near dominating the Memphis TV football market, that market is saturated by interest in SEC programs and always will be.

So when i cut through the fanciful claims of Memphis fans, i see that nothing adds up.

You have made quite a few ignorant posts on this thread, but this one (so far) is the most ignorant.

1) FedEx is a huge sponsor of college athletics. CEO Fred Smith and CFO Alan Graf were in the meetings with BE Commissioner John Marinatto and USF President Dr. Judy Genshaft along with Memphis AD RC Johnson and President Shirley Raines. They have made it extremely clear that FedEx will be funding not only upgrades to Memphis's facilities but also a Big East sponsorship.

2) Memphis owns the Memphis DMA and it's not even close. If you combined all the fans of every other team in college athletics, Memphis would still have a supermajority in the Memphis DMA.

I didn't say FedEx won't kick in some money for Memphis, but that is a far, far cry from saying they will kick in MILLIONS PER YEAR to the Big East. And you have no evidence that they will.

As for a claim that there is more TV or fan interest in Memphis football in the DMA than in SEC football, well, that is simply preposterous.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  Look folks....our football futures depends on a legitimate playoff system being implemented granting the Big East an automatic bid. That is all we can ask for and gives a chance like anybody else to win a national championship. I think it happens....8 teams first then 16....which equals college football heaven!

Although an 8 or 16 team playoff would be ideal, it is clear that this will not happen for at least 10 years, so if that is indeed what our future depends on, we are finished.

I also think we can survive in a bowl system if AQ remains and the Big East retains AQ. But i think that is very unlikely as well. Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU were the highest-profile football programs in a league already denigrated (unfairly, but still) as the worst AQ league, not deserving of AQ status. We have replaced them with programs with far less pedigrees and TV appeal, so i think our AQ goose is cooked. We now look like C-USA II.

If i were USF's President, i would be doing everything i can to try and attract an ACC, SEC, or Big12 invitation. Just my 2-cents ...

(02-12-2012 10:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Well, there are few alternatives for the Big East regarding expansion, Steve.

I know that every older member school wants to go elsewhere, but those options don't really exist right now for USF, Rutgers, UConn and maybe Cincinnati.

So, the expansion committee is doing the best job it can with the realistic options available to it. I think that things will work out fine, for the reasons that I and others have posted in this thread.

Otherwise, it may be CUSA, the MAC or independence for USF, Rutgers, UConn and Cincinnati football if the Big East folded.

What other options exist?

Terry, as i said, i would expanded back to 8 teams, but no more. Probably UCF, Navy, and ECU as replacements for the three that left.

That would maintained our "East" character and would have given us the best chance to maximize our football TV revenue per school.

quo -- ever think that its TV telling us to add more teams in order to maximize our football revenue? Plus while we'll never approach SEC dollars our basketball will help offset some of the difference and why we need to bring in top shelf basketball program like Memphis.

I wasn't crazy about Memphis when it was first announced....mostly from an old grudged based on how Memphis helped delay our CUSA admission back in 2000 and some of Johnson's comments over the years. However, Johnson is retiring and its time to move on. The money thing will figure itself out....and as I said above, our football futures will be decided on how the new college football playoff system will be implemented.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion but its time to move on, IMHO.

(02-12-2012 10:20 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What does not add up are the fanciful claims of the Memphis fans. For example:

1) FedEx is not going to give the Big East an additional $10m per year, Good Lord.

2) UM does not come anywhere near dominating the Memphis TV football market, that market is saturated by interest in SEC programs and always will be.

So when i cut through the fanciful claims of Memphis fans, i see that nothing adds up.

You have made quite a few ignorant posts on this thread, but this one (so far) is the most ignorant.

1) FedEx is a huge sponsor of college athletics. CEO Fred Smith and CFO Alan Graf were in the meetings with BE Commissioner John Marinatto and USF President Dr. Judy Genshaft along with Memphis AD RC Johnson and President Shirley Raines. They have made it extremely clear that FedEx will be funding not only upgrades to Memphis's facilities but also a Big East sponsorship.

2) Memphis owns the Memphis DMA and it's not even close. If you combined all the fans of every other team in college athletics, Memphis would still have a supermajority in the Memphis DMA.

I didn't say FedEx won't kick in some money for Memphis, but that is a far, far cry from saying they will kick in MILLIONS PER YEAR to the Big East. And you have no evidence that they will.

As for a claim that there is more TV or fan interest in Memphis football in the DMA than in SEC football, well, that is simply preposterous.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Put up some facts or admit you are an ignorant Memphis homer.

(02-12-2012 10:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:20 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What does not add up are the fanciful claims of the Memphis fans. For example:

1) FedEx is not going to give the Big East an additional $10m per year, Good Lord.

2) UM does not come anywhere near dominating the Memphis TV football market, that market is saturated by interest in SEC programs and always will be.

So when i cut through the fanciful claims of Memphis fans, i see that nothing adds up.

You have made quite a few ignorant posts on this thread, but this one (so far) is the most ignorant.

1) FedEx is a huge sponsor of college athletics. CEO Fred Smith and CFO Alan Graf were in the meetings with BE Commissioner John Marinatto and USF President Dr. Judy Genshaft along with Memphis AD RC Johnson and President Shirley Raines. They have made it extremely clear that FedEx will be funding not only upgrades to Memphis's facilities but also a Big East sponsorship.

2) Memphis owns the Memphis DMA and it's not even close. If you combined all the fans of every other team in college athletics, Memphis would still have a supermajority in the Memphis DMA.

I didn't say FedEx won't kick in some money for Memphis, but that is a far, far cry from saying they will kick in MILLIONS PER YEAR to the Big East. And you have no evidence that they will.

As for a claim that there is more TV or fan interest in Memphis football in the DMA than in SEC football, well, that is simply preposterous.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Put up some facts or admit you are an ignorant Memphis homer.

Well.. it's not like you put up any facts either.

(02-12-2012 10:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  Look folks....our football futures depends on a legitimate playoff system being implemented granting the Big East an automatic bid. That is all we can ask for and gives a chance like anybody else to win a national championship. I think it happens....8 teams first then 16....which equals college football heaven!

Although an 8 or 16 team playoff would be ideal, it is clear that this will not happen for at least 10 years, so if that is indeed what our future depends on, we are finished.

I also think we can survive in a bowl system if AQ remains and the Big East retains AQ. But i think that is very unlikely as well. Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU were the highest-profile football programs in a league already denigrated (unfairly, but still) as the worst AQ league, not deserving of AQ status. We have replaced them with programs with far less pedigrees and TV appeal, so i think our AQ goose is cooked. We now look like C-USA II.

If i were USF's President, i would be doing everything i can to try and attract an ACC, SEC, or Big12 invitation. Just my 2-cents ...

I think changes will happen within the next couple years. There is going to be a huge uproar if its only a 4 team playoff and ACC and PAC12 schools are regularly left out b/c of the media's persisent over-valuing of SEC and Big10 schools. So I think we go immediately to eight with an autobid for the current AQ conference teams....with 16 teams within your 10 year estimate. 8 automatic plus 8 at large is perfect.

In terms of doing everything to get out....we should always be on the look out for better opportunities, and I'll leave it at that.

(02-12-2012 10:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:20 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 07:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What does not add up are the fanciful claims of the Memphis fans. For example:

1) FedEx is not going to give the Big East an additional $10m per year, Good Lord.

2) UM does not come anywhere near dominating the Memphis TV football market, that market is saturated by interest in SEC programs and always will be.

So when i cut through the fanciful claims of Memphis fans, i see that nothing adds up.

You have made quite a few ignorant posts on this thread, but this one (so far) is the most ignorant.

1) FedEx is a huge sponsor of college athletics. CEO Fred Smith and CFO Alan Graf were in the meetings with BE Commissioner John Marinatto and USF President Dr. Judy Genshaft along with Memphis AD RC Johnson and President Shirley Raines. They have made it extremely clear that FedEx will be funding not only upgrades to Memphis's facilities but also a Big East sponsorship.

2) Memphis owns the Memphis DMA and it's not even close. If you combined all the fans of every other team in college athletics, Memphis would still have a supermajority in the Memphis DMA.

I didn't say FedEx won't kick in some money for Memphis, but that is a far, far cry from saying they will kick in MILLIONS PER YEAR to the Big East. And you have no evidence that they will.

As for a claim that there is more TV or fan interest in Memphis football in the DMA than in SEC football, well, that is simply preposterous.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Put up some facts or admit you are an ignorant Memphis homer.

This board is filled with two things.

1) Facts that back up the huge contribution that Memphis brings.
2) Trolls like you who conveniently ignore them and make up their own crap when the facts don't fit their agenda.

Mods need to take out the trash and you need to be in the first dumpster.

(02-12-2012 10:22 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Well, there are few alternatives for the Big East regarding expansion, Steve.

I know that every older member school wants to go elsewhere, but those options don't really exist right now for USF, Rutgers, UConn and maybe Cincinnati.

So, the expansion committee is doing the best job it can with the realistic options available to it. I think that things will work out fine, for the reasons that I and others have posted in this thread.

Otherwise, it may be CUSA, the MAC or independence for USF, Rutgers, UConn and Cincinnati football if the Big East folded.

What other options exist?

Terry, as i said, i would expanded back to 8 teams, but no more. Probably UCF, Navy, and ECU as replacements for the three that left.

That would maintained our "East" character and would have given us the best chance to maximize our football TV revenue per school.

quo -- ever think that its TV telling us to add more teams in order to maximize our football revenue? Plus while we'll never approach SEC dollars our basketball will help offset some of the difference and why we need to bring in top shelf basketball program like Memphis.

I wasn't crazy about Memphis when it was first announced....mostly from an old grudged based on how Memphis helped delay our CUSA admission back in 2000 and some of Johnson's comments over the years. However, Johnson is retiring and its time to move on. The money thing will figure itself out....and as I said above, our football futures will be decided on how the new college football playoff system will be implemented.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion but its time to move on, IMHO.

Cyber, in what sense is it time to move on? It's not like our discussion here is holding anything related to the real Big East up. Nothing we say here affects what the conference or our schools do so why not keep talking about it?

IMO, adding Memphis is the Big East's admission that AQ is going away. If AQ was still in play, we would never add such a terrible football program which, stuck in SEC country, has zero growth potential. But given that AQ is going away, then why not add a basketball power to help make up for the loss of Cuse and maybe the Ville as well?

Big East is throwing in the towel as a football conference, IMHO. And so USF should be doing all we can to bail.

Hey troll. What was USF's record in football this year? Maybe we should run USF off.

(02-12-2012 10:28 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:20 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:09 AM)PATiger Wrote:  You have made quite a few ignorant posts on this thread, but this one (so far) is the most ignorant.

1) FedEx is a huge sponsor of college athletics. CEO Fred Smith and CFO Alan Graf were in the meetings with BE Commissioner John Marinatto and USF President Dr. Judy Genshaft along with Memphis AD RC Johnson and President Shirley Raines. They have made it extremely clear that FedEx will be funding not only upgrades to Memphis's facilities but also a Big East sponsorship.

2) Memphis owns the Memphis DMA and it's not even close. If you combined all the fans of every other team in college athletics, Memphis would still have a supermajority in the Memphis DMA.

I didn't say FedEx won't kick in some money for Memphis, but that is a far, far cry from saying they will kick in MILLIONS PER YEAR to the Big East. And you have no evidence that they will.

As for a claim that there is more TV or fan interest in Memphis football in the DMA than in SEC football, well, that is simply preposterous.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Put up some facts or admit you are an ignorant Memphis homer.

This board is filled with two things.

1) Facts that back up the huge contribution that Memphis brings.
2) Trolls like you who conveniently ignore them and make up their own crap when the facts don't fit their agenda.

Mods need to take out the trash and you need to be in the first dumpster.

Right, an ignorant Memphis noob who can't post any facts wants the mods to remove a long-timer Big East poster with a perfect reputation on this board? Par for the course ...

(02-12-2012 10:28 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  In terms of doing everything to get out....we should always be on the look out for better opportunities, and I'll leave it at that.

(02-12-2012 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:28 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:20 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I didn't say FedEx won't kick in some money for Memphis, but that is a far, far cry from saying they will kick in MILLIONS PER YEAR to the Big East. And you have no evidence that they will.

As for a claim that there is more TV or fan interest in Memphis football in the DMA than in SEC football, well, that is simply preposterous.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Put up some facts or admit you are an ignorant Memphis homer.

This board is filled with two things.

1) Facts that back up the huge contribution that Memphis brings.
2) Trolls like you who conveniently ignore them and make up their own crap when the facts don't fit their agenda.

Mods need to take out the trash and you need to be in the first dumpster.

Right, an ignorant Memphis noob who can't post any facts wants the mods to remove a long-timer Big East poster with a perfect reputation on this board? Par for the course ...

Perfect reputation? Even the other BE posters warned us about your trolling. You're nothing but a troll on a fishing expedition.

(02-12-2012 10:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:22 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 10:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Well, there are few alternatives for the Big East regarding expansion, Steve.

I know that every older member school wants to go elsewhere, but those options don't really exist right now for USF, Rutgers, UConn and maybe Cincinnati.

So, the expansion committee is doing the best job it can with the realistic options available to it. I think that things will work out fine, for the reasons that I and others have posted in this thread.

Otherwise, it may be CUSA, the MAC or independence for USF, Rutgers, UConn and Cincinnati football if the Big East folded.

What other options exist?

Terry, as i said, i would expanded back to 8 teams, but no more. Probably UCF, Navy, and ECU as replacements for the three that left.

That would maintained our "East" character and would have given us the best chance to maximize our football TV revenue per school.

quo -- ever think that its TV telling us to add more teams in order to maximize our football revenue? Plus while we'll never approach SEC dollars our basketball will help offset some of the difference and why we need to bring in top shelf basketball program like Memphis.

I wasn't crazy about Memphis when it was first announced....mostly from an old grudged based on how Memphis helped delay our CUSA admission back in 2000 and some of Johnson's comments over the years. However, Johnson is retiring and its time to move on. The money thing will figure itself out....and as I said above, our football futures will be decided on how the new college football playoff system will be implemented.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion but its time to move on, IMHO.

Cyber, in what sense is it time to move on? It's not like our discussion here is holding anything related to the real Big East up. Nothing we say here affects what the conference or our schools do so why not keep talking about it?

IMO, adding Memphis is the Big East's admission that AQ is going away. If AQ was still in play, we would never add such a terrible football program which, stuck in SEC country, has zero growth potential. But given that AQ is going away, then why not add a basketball power to help make up for the loss of Cuse and maybe the Ville as well?

Big East is throwing in the towel as a football conference, IMHO. And so USF should be doing all we can to bail.

Again....it depends on what happens. While I agree that the current system is on life support I think whatever replaces the BCS will include the BigEast. If that happens then we are still in the game and have a chance to grow the conference yet again.

In terms of moving on, it just seems silly to go all elitist on Memphis when so many scenarios during the expansion process over the last 18-months had USF being the last man standing. Tough times make for unlikely partners....so I think its time to make the best of it. Memphis was starting to turn the corner in the C-USA 1.0 but then they got stuck in C-DOA after we all left. Who knows what they can do with the right coach & opportuity.

(02-12-2012 10:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, adding Memphis is the Big East's admission that AQ is going away. If AQ was still in play, we would never add such a terrible football program which, stuck in SEC country, has zero growth potential.

Big East is throwing in the towel as a football conference, IMHO. And so USF should be doing all we can to bail.

ZERO growth potential? From a record of 3-21 the past two years? With an athletic budget in the upper echelon of BE schools, even before any additional BCS money? With a new HC in FB who was the OC for TCU? With the corporate backing of FedEx, AutoZone and the Liberty Bowl, among many others? With facilities already described by Marinatto as up to BCS standards now, and with more improvements coming?

Correct while ALL Big East teams might want o be in one of the other current AQ conferences, the reality is that the Big East is the next best thing.

(02-08-2012 10:32 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:30 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I am telling you guys that Memphis football will surprise you very soon, more potential than many teams that already throwing stones. Yes we are in the middle of SEC country and we have negelected it for too long but USF will always be at best 4th fiddle in Florida so being able to be as good as them won't take long. You foget you are also getting a poweful basketball program that draws 17-18k for CUSA games now and has an average RPI over the lst 10 years tied with UCONN one point behind Louisville. Don't sneeze at Elite 8, Elite 8, National Championship game, Sweet 16, and NCCA 2nd round in the last 5 years.

Nobody is upset about adding your basketball but don't try to blow sunshine up our ass about your football. Yes, there's potential, but until that potential starts to come through don't expect us to be happy about adding a really bad football team to the conference.

Oh come on man. Don't make Memphis out to be ish while SDSU hasn't exactly been world beaters. Since 99' y'all have had 2 winning season....2.

(02-12-2012 10:54 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:32 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 10:30 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I am telling you guys that Memphis football will surprise you very soon, more potential than many teams that already throwing stones. Yes we are in the middle of SEC country and we have negelected it for too long but USF will always be at best 4th fiddle in Florida so being able to be as good as them won't take long. You foget you are also getting a poweful basketball program that draws 17-18k for CUSA games now and has an average RPI over the lst 10 years tied with UCONN one point behind Louisville. Don't sneeze at Elite 8, Elite 8, National Championship game, Sweet 16, and NCCA 2nd round in the last 5 years.

Nobody is upset about adding your basketball but don't try to blow sunshine up our ass about your football. Yes, there's potential, but until that potential starts to come through don't expect us to be happy about adding a really bad football team to the conference.

Oh come on man. Don't make Memphis out to be ish while SDSU hasn't exactly been world beaters. Since 99' y'all have had 2 winning season....2.

There certainly are a lot of people talking smack about Memphis. Most of them have nothing to back up their own school so they feel the need to bring ours down. Memphis went to five bowls in the last decade while playing in a water-down non-AQ conference. With an increased commitment to facilities and a new AQ conference, Memphis has the potential to be an annual bowl participant.

And that scares some people here. They're worried about dropping down one more peg because the "noobs" have more potential than they do.

It will all be answered on the field or basketball court. Till then nobody on these boards will change their minds on the new Big East or any of it's members. So relax and enjoy the ride,whether we like it or not our schools are in the league because it's the best current available one,plain and simple

(02-12-2012 09:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-12-2012 09:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  give it a rest quo....

Give it a rest Bearcats. If, as in this case, you don't have anything useful to contribute to a thread, then just stay out of it.

Wow!!!

Of all people to write that....now even the best trollers know you are trolling.

Mods...how long will he/she be allowed to take a crap in each and every thread?

Who cares what this nerd thinks? Obviously, the Big East presidents didn't agree with him/her. We all understand that there are pleny of crybabies who didn't want Memphis in the conference and are now pitching fits about it.

Maybe the crybabies will be proven wrong and maybe those who believe Memphis has very good FB potential will be proven wrong. Only time will tell. I just hope that I don't have to read drivel like this for the next four years. Let's just give Memphis some time and see how things play out.

Many Memphis fans are hopeful that getting into the Big East will be a big boost to the FB program very similar to what happened to UC when they got the invite. The proof will be in the pudding.