(01-27-2012 11:07 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 08:42 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 09:49 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Well, Herman Cain expressed concern for Sharia law taking over and said he wouldn't want a Muslim in his cabinet and Newt said he'd make them take a loyalty oath. You have Donald Trump to thank for elevating the birther issue. Surely you've heard of the "gay agenda" that wants to "recruit"; I think Bull on here identified such a movement and I would classify that as homophobia. Santorum thinks gays are a threat to the institution of marriage, as if straight couples have anything to fear. The "war against Christmas" you can find evidence of on Fox (a lot of this you can find evidence of on Fox), BillO in particular. I don't think these positions are as fringe on the right as you believe (and I'd also like to believe BTW).

You mentioned six people in this post...how is that representative of the majority of American conservatives?

He could have included you and would still be right.

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(01-27-2012 08:38 AM)Rebel Wrote:  http://ironshrink.com/2010/04/are-libera...-it-is-so/


Bullsh*t.

So you haven't checked into the mental hospital yet?

(01-27-2012 11:07 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 08:42 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 09:49 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Well, Herman Cain expressed concern for Sharia law taking over and said he wouldn't want a Muslim in his cabinet and Newt said he'd make them take a loyalty oath. You have Donald Trump to thank for elevating the birther issue. Surely you've heard of the "gay agenda" that wants to "recruit"; I think Bull on here identified such a movement and I would classify that as homophobia. Santorum thinks gays are a threat to the institution of marriage, as if straight couples have anything to fear. The "war against Christmas" you can find evidence of on Fox (a lot of this you can find evidence of on Fox), BillO in particular. I don't think these positions are as fringe on the right as you believe (and I'd also like to believe BTW).

You mentioned six people in this post...how is that representative of the majority of American conservatives?

He could have included you and would still be right.

But NONE of those positions you quote are anywhere near the "hysteria" with which you portray the opinions. Do "newscasters" portray them that way? Of course, because it gets silly partisan people all worked up.
"is your life in danger? Tune in at ten!". The cartoons you post are the same hysteria you are pointing at from the right and claiming are terrible, yet you don't see the same flaws from your own people.

If I a fundamentalist Christian, then I dont support gays and gay marriage. Get over it. So what? As an owl, I ALSO don't support Memphis sports. I think memphis basketball is a threat to Rice's success. There certainly IS a gay agenda, just like their is a fundamentalist Christian agenda. Id say they are highlynoppositional. Why do you choose one as a threat and the other isn't? Merely because of YOUR perspective. As to Herm Cain, I'm no expert in sharia law, but in my understanding, there is LOTS not to want here. As to Newt's pledge... Our elected officials must take a pledge... I don't see anything wrong with requiring the people who work for them to make the same commitment to this country. It's a symbolic gesture anyway... Not some sort of means to ferret out spies. That's just silly.

(01-27-2012 09:07 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Flawed research, paid for with Obabba stimulus money.

THe only thing flawed is your brain.

(01-26-2012 02:40 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Truly fascinating study. Not that it's particularly surprising, but it's nice to see some research backing up what is clearly evident for all to see:

http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservativ...03506.html


Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice.

* * *

As suspected, low intelligence in childhood corresponded with racism in adulthood. But the factor that explained the relationship between these two variables was political: When researchers included social conservatism in the analysis, those ideologies accounted for much of the link between brains and bias.

People with lower cognitive abilities also had less contact with people of other races.


* * *

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said....

Nonetheless, there is reason to believe that strict right-wing ideology might appeal to those who have trouble grasping the complexity of the world.

Another study that states the obvious

(01-26-2012 03:01 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Studies show politicians share many characterisitics with psychopaths, yet liberals want these people to have infinitely more power and control over peoples' lives.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/q-what...61687.html
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-...are-traits

Show me the intelligence in that.

The characteristics in the first link do seem to apply to most of the republican candidates this election cycle.

(01-27-2012 11:18 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 11:07 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 08:42 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 09:49 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Well, Herman Cain expressed concern for Sharia law taking over and said he wouldn't want a Muslim in his cabinet and Newt said he'd make them take a loyalty oath. You have Donald Trump to thank for elevating the birther issue. Surely you've heard of the "gay agenda" that wants to "recruit"; I think Bull on here identified such a movement and I would classify that as homophobia. Santorum thinks gays are a threat to the institution of marriage, as if straight couples have anything to fear. The "war against Christmas" you can find evidence of on Fox (a lot of this you can find evidence of on Fox), BillO in particular. I don't think these positions are as fringe on the right as you believe (and I'd also like to believe BTW).

You mentioned six people in this post...how is that representative of the majority of American conservatives?

He could have included you and would still be right.

But NONE of those positions you quote are anywhere near the "hysteria" with which you portray the opinions. Do "newscasters" portray them that way? Of course, because it gets silly partisan people all worked up.
"is your life in danger? Tune in at ten!". The cartoons you post are the same hysteria you are pointing at from the right and claiming are terrible, yet you don't see the same flaws from your own people.

If I a fundamentalist Christian, then I dont support gays and gay marriage. Get over it. So what? As an owl, I ALSO don't support Memphis sports. I think memphis basketball is a threat to Rice's success. There certainly IS a gay agenda, just like their is a fundamentalist Christian agenda. Id say they are highlynoppositional. Why do you choose one as a threat and the other isn't? Merely because of YOUR perspective. As to Herm Cain, I'm no expert in sharia law, but in my understanding, there is LOTS not to want here. As to Newt's pledge... Our elected officials must take a pledge... I don't see anything wrong with requiring the people who work for them to make the same commitment to this country. It's a symbolic gesture anyway... Not some sort of means to ferret out spies. That's just silly.

So exactly how does the gay agenda impact the rights of a fundamential christian?

(01-27-2012 02:33 PM)dcCid Wrote:  So exactly how does the gay agenda impact the rights of a fundamential christian?

http://chalcedon.edu/research/articles/s...lebration/

Ocean Grove, a United Methodist Church in New Jersey, was successfully sued by a lesbian couple for not allowing them to be married on Ocean Grove’s grounds.

Depending on the degree of social conservative we're talkin here, the study may not be that far off. It all depends on what they value.

(01-27-2012 02:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 02:33 PM)dcCid Wrote:  So exactly how does the gay agenda impact the rights of a fundamential christian?

http://chalcedon.edu/research/articles/s...lebration/

Ocean Grove, a United Methodist Church in New Jersey, was successfully sued by a lesbian couple for not allowing them to be married on Ocean Grove’s grounds.

I did not see where the church was being required to perform, or recognize the marriage.

They own property as investment and lease the land. If the Catholic Church owns an apartment building leased out to the public, then they are still subject to fair housing laws.

(01-27-2012 02:51 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Depending on the degree of social conservative we're talkin here, the study may not be that far off. It all depends on what they value.

I'd say they'd still beat fiscal liberals in an IQ study when spotting the liberals 50 points.

(01-27-2012 02:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 02:33 PM)dcCid Wrote:  So exactly how does the gay agenda impact the rights of a fundamential christian?

http://chalcedon.edu/research/articles/s...lebration/

Ocean Grove, a United Methodist Church in New Jersey, was successfully sued by a lesbian couple for not allowing them to be married on Ocean Grove’s grounds.

That link you posted says nothing about a successful lawsuit against the church. In fact, it says the church filed a lawsuit against the state of New Jersey.

(01-27-2012 11:18 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 11:07 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 08:42 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 09:49 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Well, Herman Cain expressed concern for Sharia law taking over and said he wouldn't want a Muslim in his cabinet and Newt said he'd make them take a loyalty oath. You have Donald Trump to thank for elevating the birther issue. Surely you've heard of the "gay agenda" that wants to "recruit"; I think Bull on here identified such a movement and I would classify that as homophobia. Santorum thinks gays are a threat to the institution of marriage, as if straight couples have anything to fear. The "war against Christmas" you can find evidence of on Fox (a lot of this you can find evidence of on Fox), BillO in particular. I don't think these positions are as fringe on the right as you believe (and I'd also like to believe BTW).

You mentioned six people in this post...how is that representative of the majority of American conservatives?

He could have included you and would still be right.

But NONE of those positions you quote are anywhere near the "hysteria" with which you portray the opinions. Do "newscasters" portray them that way? Of course, because it gets silly partisan people all worked up.
"is your life in danger? Tune in at ten!". The cartoons you post are the same hysteria you are pointing at from the right and claiming are terrible, yet you don't see the same flaws from your own people.

If I a fundamentalist Christian, then I dont support gays and gay marriage. Get over it. So what? As an owl, I ALSO don't support Memphis sports. I think memphis basketball is a threat to Rice's success. There certainly IS a gay agenda, just like their is a fundamentalist Christian agenda. Id say they are highlynoppositional. Why do you choose one as a threat and the other isn't? Merely because of YOUR perspective. As to Herm Cain, I'm no expert in sharia law, but in my understanding, there is LOTS not to want here. As to Newt's pledge... Our elected officials must take a pledge... I don't see anything wrong with requiring the people who work for them to make the same commitment to this country. It's a symbolic gesture anyway... Not some sort of means to ferret out spies. That's just silly.

I didn't use the word "hysteria." Obviously these presidential candidates will make their proposals in a calm manner, if that's what you mean, but that doesn't make their claim any less hysterical.

It's not hysterical to not want Sharia law. It is hysterical on its face though to claim that average Americans are in any danger of being subjected to Sharia law. And it's hysterical to speak of gays as threatening marriage. It's hysterical to claim Christians are under attack. They're just unhappy they can no longer completely dominate the public discourse.

I know there's a gay agenda, but it's to achieve civil rights against homophobes who hide behind the cross. When the gays get together and start attacking fundy Christians' right to marry then get back to me.

If you're calling for all government employees to take loyalty oaths, fine. If you're calling for oaths just for Muslim government employees though, you're a bigot. Newt's a bigot. Cain's a bigot.

Those people I listed BTW were GOP candidates and all at one time or another were leading in the polls.

It's the absolute definition of hysteria to take what was said and reach the extreme positions you did...

You didn't say it.... You demonstrated it, and continue to

(01-27-2012 03:29 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 02:51 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Depending on the degree of social conservative we're talkin here, the study may not be that far off. It all depends on what they value.

I'd say they'd still beat fiscal liberals in an IQ study when spotting the liberals 50 points.

I don't think so. To be a fiscal liberal you have to know so much theory that you apparently don't need to know the basics.

Fantastic! Pretty soon, I'll have enough of you on ignore that I won't have to read anything here.

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(01-27-2012 04:16 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 03:29 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 02:51 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Depending on the degree of social conservative we're talkin here, the study may not be that far off. It all depends on what they value.

I'd say they'd still beat fiscal liberals in an IQ study when spotting the liberals 50 points.

I don't think so. To be a fiscal liberal you have to know so much theory that you apparently don't need to know the basics.

Hence the stupidity. Regurgitating a failed ideology is neither a sign of intelligence nor a sign of logical thinking.

(01-27-2012 03:28 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 02:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 02:33 PM)dcCid Wrote:  So exactly how does the gay agenda impact the rights of a fundamential christian?

http://chalcedon.edu/research/articles/s...lebration/

Ocean Grove, a United Methodist Church in New Jersey, was successfully sued by a lesbian couple for not allowing them to be married on Ocean Grove’s grounds.

I did not see where the church was being required to perform, or recognize the marriage.

They own property as investment and lease the land. If the Catholic Church owns an apartment building leased out to the public, then they are still subject to fair housing laws.

First of all, who claimed that the simple act of the state recognizing gay marriage impacted the church's rights.... Where they impact others rights is by trying to silence their opinions. Like it or not... Agree with it or not... The people have a right to peacefully express opinions, even unpopular ones.

Second, this is private property and not an apartment building. If they declined the klan for similar reasons, I suspect you'd think that was ok... But the only difference is your opinion of their agenda.

The definition of a bigot is someone who is intolerant of another's opinions. It has nothing to do with the popularity of those opinions.


The PROBLEM you have with Cain and newt and republicans in general is that you don't understand freedom. It's not about legislating against opinions,... Something liberals always seem to want to do... It's about NOT legislating against them. I'm not claiming these people embody that premise... But that is clearly the vein they are trying to tap into... And rather than recognize it, you see it as some sort of battle. Liberals, and especially a persecuted minority of ALL people, should be the first ones fighting for individual liberties... Yet you're always the last

You seem to want to fight for the rights of gays, but not for the rights of Christians. You think they are wrong. They think you are wrong. Where exactly does the government come into that equation? On the simple position of gay marriage, I nderstand the legislative argument... What does that have to do with the church? If your church doesn't recognize them, change churches... Or don't screw with the church at all. Instead, some want to FORCe the church to do something.

(01-27-2012 04:24 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Fantastic! Pretty soon, I'll have enough of you on ignore that I won't have to read anything here.

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Damn, who pissed in your Lucky Charms?

(01-27-2012 04:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 04:16 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 03:29 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 02:51 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Depending on the degree of social conservative we're talkin here, the study may not be that far off. It all depends on what they value.

I'd say they'd still beat fiscal liberals in an IQ study when spotting the liberals 50 points.

I don't think so. To be a fiscal liberal you have to know so much theory that you apparently don't need to know the basics.

Hence the stupidity. Regurgitating a failed ideology is neither a sign of intelligence nor a sign of logical thinking.

It's intelligent. Some serious numbers and thinking have to happen to come up with this stuff. It is however, the definition of insanity.