(01-14-2012 08:25 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  "If a person says something, and that something turns out to be false, and that person gives no reasonable explanation for his belief in the false statement, are you convinced that person lied?" sounds like a pretty logical way of thinking,

Unless it extends from the false premise that no reasonable explanation was given. The belief is the false statement was based on the fact that there was no reasonable evidence to the contrary at that time. That is what two government reports bore out.

For you Max, the actual quote Bush made about inspectors.

Quote:“I also saw a threat in Iraq. I was hoping to solve this problem diplomatically. That’s why I went to the [United Nations] Security Council; that’s why it was important to pass [Resolution] 1441, which was unanimously passed. And the world said, disarm, disclose, or face serious consequences — and therefore, we worked with the world, we worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose [emphasis added], then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did, and the world is safer for it.”

Let's review history.

Quote:But as President Bush's administration questioned the inspectors' ability to disarm Iraq without full co-operation, he seemed to take a tougher line and demanded proof that Iraq was ready to comply.
Mohammed Aldouri, Iraqi ambassador to the UN, said his country had invited Mr ElBaradei and Mr Blix, to talk "about everything . . . about what they have to ask us and what we have to tell them."
In a report to the Security Council last week, Mr Blix gave an unexpectedly harsh verdict, saying Iraq had not yet decided to disarm.
The inspectors have repeatedly tried to interview Iraqi officials and scientists in private. All have refused to answer questions without government minders present.

Linky

I applaud you for using the google thing searching "bush lied" to find a lefty blog to distort what was actually occurring to try and justify your lunacy. But you'll have to do better. I'm sure you'll try.

Back to the game, just wanted to address your point since I know you were feeling good about it. Have a terrific night.

LOL GMAFB. There are quotes at the link I gave you where Bush said Saddam did not let the inspectors in. And you cherrypick the quote where he says "deny" and present it in context with a news article to make it look like he's telling the American people we went to war because Saddam denied inspectors the right to ask questions alone in a private room? LOL. No, he said Saddam didn't let them in. Yes, that means physically denied access somewhere. Yes, that is a lie. But I'm sure you'll find a way to spin that one too, and really I'm looking forward to it.

Someone's saber rattling.

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-sends-rare-le...11574.html

Haha where's your God now Tebow? From now on TTJGSA=Tim Tebow Just Got Sacked Again. Somewhere Maher's laughing his ass off....

Not much of a game so figured I'd check back.

I was pointing out that one of the quotes your lefty blogger posted did not, in fact, support his assertion. And that is a fact.

What the article does show is that Bush was making a case and he did it in a few different ways. While it is true that Saddam did not initially cooperate on some sites, he did start to open them up. The problem was he continued to hinder the process, as Hans Blix noted. He was charged with complying fully, and he continually hindered the process. I don't know if Bush was lying, though it seems strange to me that something so widely reported on as access to the sites he would choose to lie about. It was easily verifiable.

It should probably be noted that access for inspectors was not part of the case that was made to invade Iraq. The case was made before that, the inspections came later. So your original assertion, that Bush lied in making the case for war, is still unsubstantiated. As is your claim that France, Britain and Russia believed our "lies", which runs counter to history as well.

Max we can revisit Iraq all you want. But the fact remains that if Bush had lied to get us into Iraq, and that case could be made, the media would have made it long ago.

Here's a nice write up as to why you are failing, and will continue to fail, in making your "lying" case.

As to what the reports say, here you go.

Quote:In 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously approved a report acknowledging that it "did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments." The following year, the bipartisan Robb-Silberman report similarly found "no indication that the intelligence community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."

(01-14-2012 10:02 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Haha where's your God now Tebow? From now on TTJGSA=Tim Tebow Just Got Sacked Again. Somewhere Maher's laughing his ass off....

I'll never understand what motivates people to hate on Tebow. What's the matter? Too clean cut? To polite?

What is it?

(01-14-2012 10:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 10:02 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Haha where's your God now Tebow? From now on TTJGSA=Tim Tebow Just Got Sacked Again. Somewhere Maher's laughing his ass off....

I'll never understand what motivates people to hate on Tebow. What's the matter? Too clean cut? To polite?

What is it?

Mostly they are just angry that someone that has their life together and is principled is successful. The secretly wish it was them.

(01-14-2012 10:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 10:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 10:02 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Haha where's your God now Tebow? From now on TTJGSA=Tim Tebow Just Got Sacked Again. Somewhere Maher's laughing his ass off....

I'll never understand what motivates people to hate on Tebow. What's the matter? Too clean cut? To polite?

What is it?

Mostly they are just angry that someone that has their life together and is principled is successful. The secretly wish it was them.

I just have never liked him, partly because he went to Florida. I just don't like SEC schools. I'm sure he's a great person and all, but it's nice to have a player who you don't like when you've got plenty you do.

He throws like a girl and Christians and Fox News won't stop talking about him and it annoys me.

TTJGSA.

TTJGSA!

Also I saw a poll yesterday which said 43% of America thinks Tebow is winning games because of divine intervention. That pissed me off, less at Tim Tebow than stupid people, but I still want him to get crushed.

(01-14-2012 10:23 PM)Max Power Wrote:  He throws like a girl and Christians and Fox News won't stop talking about him and it annoys me.

TTJGSA.

At least you're open with your bigotry. I give you credit for that.

Yeah, that poll kinda shocked me too. 43% of America thinks Tebow is winning because of divine intervention? lol

(01-14-2012 10:23 PM)Max Power Wrote:  He throws like a girl and Christians and Fox News won't stop talking about him and it annoys me.

TTJGSA.

Oh. I thought maybe you had a good reason.

(01-14-2012 10:23 PM)Max Power Wrote:  He throws like a girl and Christians and Fox News won't stop talking about him and it annoys me.

Finally something I can agree with. But why are you watching Fox?

Yeah I'm bigoted, against quarterbacks that throw like a girl.

I watch Fox to keep tabs on the enemy, and also because O'Reilly can be humorous.

Oh and TTJGSA.

(01-14-2012 10:46 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Yeah I'm bigoted, against quarterbacks that throw like a girl.

Quote:He throws like a girl and Christians and Fox News won't stop talking about him and it annoys me.

Yeah, clearly it's more than that. It's pretty clear you enjoy seeing Tebow fail because you feel it shows those stupid Christians what's up.

Don't run from being a bigot. It's clear to everyone here you are one. Just embrace it.

The tolerant left. I guess they use up so much on the gays, criminals and terrorists they just don't have any left for the one group who doesn't even need any.

(01-14-2012 09:23 PM)Max Power Wrote:  LOL GMAFB. There are quotes at the link I gave you where Bush said Saddam did not let the inspectors in. And you cherrypick the quote where he says "deny" and present it in context with a news article to make it look like he's telling the American people we went to war because Saddam denied inspectors the right to ask questions alone in a private room? LOL. No, he said Saddam didn't let them in. Yes, that means physically denied access somewhere. Yes, that is a lie. But I'm sure you'll find a way to spin that one too, and really I'm looking forward to it.

(01-14-2012 10:48 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 10:46 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Yeah I'm bigoted, against quarterbacks that throw like a girl.

Quote:He throws like a girl and Christians and Fox News won't stop talking about him and it annoys me.

Yeah, clearly it's more than that. It's pretty clear you enjoy seeing Tebow fail because you feel it shows those stupid Christians what's up.

Don't run from being a bigot. It's clear to everyone here you are one. Just embrace it.

And do you have proof of this intent?

(01-14-2012 11:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The tolerant left. I guess they use up so much on the gays, criminals and terrorists they just don't have any left for the one group who doesn't even need any.

If they don't need any then what's the problem?