(01-11-2012 11:28 AM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Any idea of what Toledo has coming back next year?

Also, given our relative success as a solid BCS program, I don't see how UC couldn't at least leverage a 2:1 in this situation. UT has got to be over the moon with this deal.

Well the one thing they won't have coming back is their head coach. That's a start, I guess.

(01-11-2012 11:28 AM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Any idea of what Toledo has coming back next year?

Also, given our relative success as a solid BCS program, I don't see how UC couldn't at least leverage a 2:1 in this situation. UT has got to be over the moon with this deal.

Yes, this is a good get for Toledo, but I am not sure about over the moon. Toledo has home and homes with Missouri, Miami (FL), Iowa St, Navy, and now UC. As I stated in another post on this topic, UT really needed a marquee home game this year and UC needed OOC games in general, which I am sure gave UT a negotiating advantage.

Looking forward to a good matchup. Hopefully a lot of Bearcat fans will make the 3 hour trek up I-75 to the Glass Bowl. A stadium very similar to Nippert on a slightly smaller scale.

Also looking forward to UT's return trip to Cincinnati in 2014. It will be the first UT game I won't have to travel to in over 10 years, since I moved to the 'Nati.

Go Rockets!!!

Toledo schedules football game against Cincinnati
BLADE STAFF
The University of Toledo football team finalized its 2012 non-conference schedule Wednesday by announcing a home game against Cincinnati on Oct. 20.

The home-and-home deal with the Bearcats calls for UT to play at Cincinnati in 2014.

“We are very pleased to be adding the University of Cincinnati to our 2012 home football schedule and look forward to an exciting series with the Bearcats,” UT athletic director Mike O’Brien said in a statement.

Cincinnati was 10-3 last season and, like Toledo, won its bowl game with a 31-24 victory over Vanderbilt in the Liberty Bowl. The Big East co-champions finished No. 21 in the final USA Today coaches poll.

UT has played Cincinnati six times, winning twice. The most recent meeting came in the 2001 Motor City Bowl, with UT prevailing 23-16.

“I’m excited that we are adding Cincinnati to our 2012 schedule,” UT coach Matt Campbell said. “I have a lot of respect for coach Butch Jones and the Cincinnati program. This will be another challenging series that I’m sure our players and fans will look forward to."

UT will begin next season with road games at Arizona and Wyoming. After a bye week, the Rockets will host Coastal Carolina. The Cincinnati game will come after the Mid-American Conference season has begun.

http://m2.toledoblade.com/UT/2012/01/11/...nnati.html

(01-11-2012 11:56 AM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 11:28 AM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Any idea of what Toledo has coming back next year?

Also, given our relative success as a solid BCS program, I don't see how UC couldn't at least leverage a 2:1 in this situation. UT has got to be over the moon with this deal.

Yes, this is a good get for Toledo, but I am not sure about over the moon. Toledo has home and homes with Missouri, Miami (FL), Iowa St, Navy, and now UC. As I stated in another post on this topic, UT really needed a marquee home game this year and UC needed OOC games in general, which I am sure gave UT a negotiating advantage.

Looking forward to a good matchup. Hopefully a lot of Bearcat fans will make the 3 hour trek up I-75 to the Glass Bowl. A stadium very similar to Nippert on a slightly smaller scale.

Also looking forward to UT's return trip to Cincinnati in 2014. It will be the first UT game I won't have to travel to in over 10 years, since I moved to the 'Nati.

Go Rockets!!!

That's for the insight on Toledo's situation. What can you say about the team coming back and what the offense/defense will look like with a new staff?

(01-11-2012 12:00 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 11:56 AM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 11:28 AM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Any idea of what Toledo has coming back next year?

Also, given our relative success as a solid BCS program, I don't see how UC couldn't at least leverage a 2:1 in this situation. UT has got to be over the moon with this deal.

Yes, this is a good get for Toledo, but I am not sure about over the moon. Toledo has home and homes with Missouri, Miami (FL), Iowa St, Navy, and now UC. As I stated in another post on this topic, UT really needed a marquee home game this year and UC needed OOC games in general, which I am sure gave UT a negotiating advantage.

Looking forward to a good matchup. Hopefully a lot of Bearcat fans will make the 3 hour trek up I-75 to the Glass Bowl. A stadium very similar to Nippert on a slightly smaller scale.

Also looking forward to UT's return trip to Cincinnati in 2014. It will be the first UT game I won't have to travel to in over 10 years, since I moved to the 'Nati.

Go Rockets!!!

That's for the insight on Toledo's situation. What can you say about the team coming back and what the offense/defense will look like with a new staff?

Matt Campbell is UT's new Head Coach. Youngest HC in D-I, 32 years old, was the HC in the Military Bowl. Has been UT's OC the last couple of years.

On offense:

Toledo graduates 3 O-Linemen, both Tackles were 4 year starters, Guard a 2 year starter. UT also graduates 2 of their top 3 RB's.

Toledo returns both QB's (It has been a 2 QB rotation) Dantin will be a senior, better runner than a passer, good possession passing game QB, but not a strong arm. Owens will be a junior, cannon for an arm, but does not have a lot of touch on short/underneath stuff.

UT returns All-Everything WR Eric Page (as long as he doesn't declare for the NFL). Need another WR to step up, Bernard Reddy had a huge Military Bowl, 3TDs and 100 yards + receiving.

On Defense:

UT Graduates a starting DT and DE. These were positions of depth, so UT does return a fair number of guys up front, including DE TJ Fatinikun, 3rd team all-mac eventhough he missed almost the entire conference season due to injury.

Both starting LBs Molls & Bell are returning, both will be seniors.

UT Graduates 2 starting corners. Played a number of players at CB, but the guys returning are short in stature.

UT returns a number of players at the safety position.

Scouting Report:

UT was an offensive team in 2011. The Defense started the season well, but due to injuries and scheme, gave up tons of points as the season moved on.

For 2012, I would still expect UT to be a solid offensive team. There are some young guys who have seen some PT ready to step up on th eO-Line, but it will be hard to replace the 2 Sr Tackles. Sophomore Center was 2nd team all-mac. R/S Freshman Guard, was a Freshman All-American in one publication.

Need some one other than JR to be David Fluellen to step up at RB. I don't think Toledo will be as explosive at this position.

Passing game should be in good shape as long as the O-Line can protect the QB.

Defense, who know. LB & S will be strengths. Defensive front should be okay, corners really scare me. UT needs a new defensive scheme, UT DC Ward going to Illinois with Beckman, I am hoping for big changes on the defensive side of the ball.

Sorry for the dissertation, but you did ask

Meh. I get it. We needed a game. There was a 2-1 out there somewhere, though. These home and homes are nuts.

So in a year where we don't have to waste a week playing a free game in Oxford we have to play a free game in flippin' Toledo.

Dollars to donuts ESPN moves this from Saturday 10/20 to a weeknight.

(01-11-2012 12:23 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Meh. I get it. We needed a game. There was a 2-1 out there somewhere, though. These home and homes are nuts.

So in a year where we don't have to waste a week playing a free game in Oxford we have to play a free game in flippin' Toledo.

Dollars to donuts ESPN moves this from Saturday 10/20 to a weeknight.

My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't be surprised to see ESPN put this on a Friday Night. I hope it stays on Saturday.

We'd better get a freaking nine-game conference schedule in the new Big East, or whatever damn conference we end up in. But, in the context of the way it is now, there's really not much else we could have done.

(01-11-2012 12:20 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:00 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 11:56 AM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 11:28 AM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Any idea of what Toledo has coming back next year?

Also, given our relative success as a solid BCS program, I don't see how UC couldn't at least leverage a 2:1 in this situation. UT has got to be over the moon with this deal.

Yes, this is a good get for Toledo, but I am not sure about over the moon. Toledo has home and homes with Missouri, Miami (FL), Iowa St, Navy, and now UC. As I stated in another post on this topic, UT really needed a marquee home game this year and UC needed OOC games in general, which I am sure gave UT a negotiating advantage.

Looking forward to a good matchup. Hopefully a lot of Bearcat fans will make the 3 hour trek up I-75 to the Glass Bowl. A stadium very similar to Nippert on a slightly smaller scale.

Also looking forward to UT's return trip to Cincinnati in 2014. It will be the first UT game I won't have to travel to in over 10 years, since I moved to the 'Nati.

Go Rockets!!!

That's for the insight on Toledo's situation. What can you say about the team coming back and what the offense/defense will look like with a new staff?

Matt Campbell is UT's new Head Coach. Youngest HC in D-I, 32 years old, was the HC in the Military Bowl. Has been UT's OC the last couple of years.

On offense:

Toledo graduates 3 O-Linemen, both Tackles were 4 year starters, Guard a 2 year starter. UT also graduates 2 of their top 3 RB's.

Toledo returns both QB's (It has been a 2 QB rotation) Dantin will be a senior, better runner than a passer, good possession passing game QB, but not a strong arm. Owens will be a junior, cannon for an arm, but does not have a lot of touch on short/underneath stuff.

UT returns All-Everything WR Eric Page (as long as he doesn't declare for the NFL). Need another WR to step up, Bernard Reddy had a huge Military Bowl, 3TDs and 100 yards + receiving.

On Defense:

UT Graduates a starting DT and DE. These were positions of depth, so UT does return a fair number of guys up front, including DE TJ Fatinikun, 3rd team all-mac eventhough he missed almost the entire conference season due to injury.

Both starting LBs Molls & Bell are returning, both will be seniors.

UT Graduates 2 starting corners. Played a number of players at CB, but the guys returning are short in stature.

UT returns a number of players at the safety position.

Scouting Report:

UT was an offensive team in 2011. The Defense started the season well, but due to injuries and scheme, gave up tons of points as the season moved on.

For 2012, I would still expect UT to be a solid offensive team. There are some young guys who have seen some PT ready to step up on th eO-Line, but it will be hard to replace the 2 Sr Tackles. Sophomore Center was 2nd team all-mac. R/S Freshman Guard, was a Freshman All-American in one publication.

Need some one other than JR to be David Fluellen to step up at RB. I don't think Toledo will be as explosive at this position.

Passing game should be in good shape as long as the O-Line can protect the QB.

Defense, who know. LB & S will be strengths. Defensive front should be okay, corners really scare me. UT needs a new defensive scheme, UT DC Ward going to Illinois with Beckman, I am hoping for big changes on the defensive side of the ball.

Sorry for the dissertation, but you did ask

That was perfect, thank you. I'd rather know more about an opponent than less.

(01-11-2012 11:46 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 11:41 AM)mlb Wrote:  Who is to say that the other MAC schools had room on their schedule for next year? Or didn't have better options (as in, more $$). Toledo being a better school probably has more problems getting teams to play them. They gave Ohio State all they could handle this year.

Just elaborating on your point, how many teams at the FBS level have their 2012 schedules locked in and ready to go for next season? Probably close to all of them. San Diego State and TCU really screwed UC over this time around.

That is correct. Almost everyone's schedules for next season are set in stone. I don't like going to Toledo next season, but it is what it is. TCU and O$U hosed us with late cancellations and left us scrambling. At least it is not a I-AA school since I really don't want 2 of those games. I understand the lose/lose situation, but it should help get us ready for conference play and is a short road trip for the fans.

As far as not getting a 2-for-1, with the Big East looking to expand and add more conference games, we may not have an open slot down the line since we already have games scheduled in 2013 and beyond and the number of conference games still not really set in stone. I'm definitely not thrilled with the move, but I get it. I don't have to like it though.

It stays on the 20th, it could be a fun little road trip.

If the game is on a Saturday I am ok with it. Its also late enough in the year that I hope the QB situation is settled.

Let's not blame UC; scheduling imploded with offseason conference moves and osu bailing out. The Bearcats have holes to fill just nine months from now. They're in scheduling crisis mode. Could the 'Cats lose @ Toledo? Sure--Michigan lost to Toledo and Appalachian State in recent years and their "brand" is still thriving. We should go into the game with the feeling that we'll get a solid win over the best the MAC has to offer. We've got alumni in northwest OH who can attend and many of us will enjoy an easy road trip up I-75. Let's go show them the best of the Big East.

(01-11-2012 12:59 PM)indycat Wrote:  Let's not blame UC; scheduling imploded with offseason conference moves and osu bailing out. The Bearcats have holes to fill just nine months from now. They're in scheduling crisis mode. Could the 'Cats lose @ Toledo? Sure--Michigan lost to Toledo and Appalachian State in recent years and their "brand" is still thriving. We should go into the game with the feeling that we'll get a solid win over the best the MAC has to offer. We've got alumni in northwest OH who can attend and many of us will enjoy an easy road trip up I-75. Let's go show them the best of the Big East.

OSU didn't bail on us, at least I don't think so. We asked to get out of that game so TCU could be added to the schedule. OSU then went looking for a game and they were able to schedule UCF to replace UC.

This will be a tough game...UT will score points and this game will be a sellout with close to 30K in the stadium unless they move it to a weeknight game.

Mixed feelings for this game, I love having the Bearcats come to town (I can host a tailgate), but this will be a tough non-conference game. I have seen Toledo beat a half dozen or so ranked BCS teams at the Glass Bowl, and UT has a lot of talent coming back from a 9 win team that should have ended up with 10 or 11 wins minus Refs @OSU and @SYR.

I watched almost every Rockets game last year, and their new coach (former Offensive Coordinator) calls an exciting game...Boise St. style comes to mind. Toledo will try to score quickly and attack all game long.

(01-11-2012 11:28 AM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Any idea of what Toledo has coming back next year?

Also, given our relative success as a solid BCS program, I don't see how UC couldn't at least leverage a 2:1 in this situation. UT has got to be over the moon with this deal.

#1) Toledo is pretty loaded. Particularly at the skill positions. Computer rankings should be good, better than some BE teams.
#2) Toledo's done or has 1-1 with Boise State, Mizzou, the U of Miami, OSU, etc. Got some more in the works besides series with teams like Navy and Iowa State. Pretty much done with 2-1 at this stage of the program.
3) I'm sure it's a deal as far travel costs and payouts.

(01-11-2012 11:31 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  UC should never schedule a home and home with a non-BCS level school.
Maybe a 3-1 or 2-1 but not home and home.
It says we are on equal footing with a Mac school or at least that we think we are on level with a Mac school.

Smacks of desperation.

You guys have holes to fill so your choices may be limited. As you can see from the past and future Toledo schedules, UT leads the MAC in getting 1 for 1 games. We have only played a one and done with Michigan and Florida in the future. Ohio State was a 2 for 1 with us being the home team at Cleveland Browns Stadium. Future 1 for 1's including Miami of Florida, Missouri, Navy and Iowa State. Many others in the past.

I have a lot of respect for Toledo football. I know full well it would be a good win.

However, this is a game that, if we win, we will get little to no respect. If we lose, we'll get killed by the pundits. Just like that Fresno State game in 2010.

(01-11-2012 01:12 PM)tampabayrocketfan Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 11:31 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  UC should never schedule a home and home with a non-BCS level school.
Maybe a 3-1 or 2-1 but not home and home.
It says we are on equal footing with a Mac school or at least that we think we are on level with a Mac school.

Smacks of desperation.

You guys have holes to fill so your choices may be limited. As you can see from the past and future Toledo schedules, UT leads the MAC in getting 1 for 1 games. We have only played a one and done with Michigan and Florida in the future. Ohio State was a 2 for 1 with us being the home team at Cleveland Browns Stadium. Future 1 for 1's including Miami of Florida, Missouri, Navy and Iowa State. Many others in the past.

OSU was a 1-1.