Winners

Romney...He rallied the Massholes that commute across the border to work in his socialist state.

Paul.....He rallied the traditional Granite State independents and Free State Project members of rural NH.

Huntsman...He got some traction late in this and came away as someone that now people may give a look.

Losers...Butt Froth and the vulture statist. These two are done.

Newt has to at least finish #2 in SC or he is also done. I believe he will do well in SC. I am 20 miles from the border and there is the same mentality here. Newt is popular among the Neocons. They are all over the place in SC and SENC.

SC...prediction....Romney...30%...Newt..20%...Paul...20%..Santorum..15%...Perry...11%...Huntsman...4%

Really hope you are right about a Paul 20% 3rd place finish. I'd be ecstatic.

For some reason I'd switch Newt and Santorum. I think at this point Newt is pretty much done and Santorum is the front runner among the Neocon wing. Why Gov Perry is hanging around is baffling me. I think he'll drop out next week.

Even Ari Fleischer seemed to agree that Paul would be able to bring in independents and Democrats in the general, just that he won't be able to make it to the general.

(01-11-2012 02:18 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  For some reason I'd switch Newt and Santorum. I think at this point Newt is pretty much done and Santorum is the front runner among the Neocon wing. Why Gov Perry is hanging around is baffling me.

He's brokering for power. He'll take his delegates and endorse someone else, all while negotiating for media coverage, favors for TX and/or a cabinet position.

(01-11-2012 11:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 02:18 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  For some reason I'd switch Newt and Santorum. I think at this point Newt is pretty much done and Santorum is the front runner among the Neocon wing. Why Gov Perry is hanging around is baffling me.

He's brokering for power. He'll take his delegates and endorse someone else, all while negotiating for media coverage, favors for TX and/or a cabinet position.

Good Lord! What cabinet position could he possibly handle...lol

Huntsman basically had an audience of one person in the primary....his father....and it seems to have worked. His superPAC is about to get 10 million thrown in to move him forward in SC and Florida. Still, while I support Huntsman, I dont see him becoming the nominee unless something really bad comes out on Romney that kills his viability.

Huntsman put all his eggs in the NH basket...skipped Iowa. He's done.

(01-11-2012 12:01 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Huntsman put all his eggs in the NH basket...skipped Iowa. He's done.

No reason to drop out until after 10 million is spent in SC and FL going after Romney. If something bad happens to him, Huntsman is there to pick up his supporters. If Romney isnt damaged, then everyone should just drop out.

(01-11-2012 12:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:01 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Huntsman put all his eggs in the NH basket...skipped Iowa. He's done.

No reason to drop out until after 10 million is spent in SC and FL going after Romney. If something bad happens to him, Huntsman is there to pick up his supporters. If Romney isnt damaged, then everyone should just drop out.

Has he even campaigned in SC or FL? I read that he was banking on a 1st or 2nd place finish to move him to the front of the pack. He didn't do that. But money buys votes...just look at our RETARD N' CHIEF.

(01-11-2012 12:39 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:01 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Huntsman put all his eggs in the NH basket...skipped Iowa. He's done.

No reason to drop out until after 10 million is spent in SC and FL going after Romney. If something bad happens to him, Huntsman is there to pick up his supporters. If Romney isnt damaged, then everyone should just drop out.

Has he even campaigned in SC or FL? I read that he was banking on a 1st or 2nd place finish to move him to the front of the pack. He didn't do that. But money buys votes...just look at our RETARD N' CHIEF.

He actually has a pretty good organization in SC headed by the current AG of the state. Campaigning in Florida is a different animal. FL campaigning basically consists of putting as many ads on TV as you can.

Once again, I think he is done but there is no reason to drop out if you have money to attack the person taking your votes.

(01-11-2012 12:41 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:39 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:01 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Huntsman put all his eggs in the NH basket...skipped Iowa. He's done.

No reason to drop out until after 10 million is spent in SC and FL going after Romney. If something bad happens to him, Huntsman is there to pick up his supporters. If Romney isnt damaged, then everyone should just drop out.

Has he even campaigned in SC or FL? I read that he was banking on a 1st or 2nd place finish to move him to the front of the pack. He didn't do that. But money buys votes...just look at our RETARD N' CHIEF.

He actually has a pretty good organization in SC headed by the current AG of the state. Campaigning in Florida is a different animal. FL campaigning basically consists of putting as many ads on TV as you can.

Once again, I think he is done but there is no reason to drop out if you have money to attack the person taking your votes.

Seems like a dumb strategy. If I can't win then I'll make it harder for the other guys to win too...

That's really stupid.

(01-11-2012 12:54 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:41 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:39 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:35 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 12:01 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Huntsman put all his eggs in the NH basket...skipped Iowa. He's done.

No reason to drop out until after 10 million is spent in SC and FL going after Romney. If something bad happens to him, Huntsman is there to pick up his supporters. If Romney isnt damaged, then everyone should just drop out.

Has he even campaigned in SC or FL? I read that he was banking on a 1st or 2nd place finish to move him to the front of the pack. He didn't do that. But money buys votes...just look at our RETARD N' CHIEF.

He actually has a pretty good organization in SC headed by the current AG of the state. Campaigning in Florida is a different animal. FL campaigning basically consists of putting as many ads on TV as you can.

Once again, I think he is done but there is no reason to drop out if you have money to attack the person taking your votes.

Seems like a dumb strategy. If I can't win then I'll make it harder for the other guys to win too...

That's really stupid.

Not if the votes leaving Romney come to you.

Huntsman will have done very VERY well for himself if he can break 10% in South Carolina.

I kind of doubt it, but we'll see.

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The main thing that surprises me so far is that Iowa and New Hampshire combined have only managed to chase out 1 candidate (Bachmann). I really thought we'd be down to 4 or 5-max heading into SC. Instead we have 6, and really it's the first time that everybody was in the pool all at once. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

(01-11-2012 07:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Huntsman will have done very VERY well for himself ig he can break 10% in South Carolina.

I kind of doubt it, but we'll see.

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The main thing that surprises me so far is that Iowa and New Hampshire combined have only managed to chase out 1 candidate (Bachmann). I really thought we'd be down to 4 or 5-max heading into SC. Instead we have 6, and really it's the first time that everybody was in the pool all at once. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Used to be that you needed some money to compete in Iowa and NH, now you get 15 debates and the 3 cable news channels covering you for free. Once you get passed SC to the primaries where you need serious money, then everyone will drop out. Im convinced the only reason Bachmann is gone right now is that she needed to go back to Minnesota to get re-elected or to try to get in on the Senate race.

(01-11-2012 08:00 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 07:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Huntsman will have done very VERY well for himself ig he can break 10% in South Carolina.

I kind of doubt it, but we'll see.

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The main thing that surprises me so far is that Iowa and New Hampshire combined have only managed to chase out 1 candidate (Bachmann). I really thought we'd be down to 4 or 5-max heading into SC. Instead we have 6, and really it's the first time that everybody was in the pool all at once. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Used to be that you needed some money to compete in Iowa and NH, now you get 15 debates and the 3 cable news channels covering you for free. Once you get passed SC to the primaries where you need serious money, then everyone will drop out. Im convinced the only reason Bachmann is gone right now is that she needed to go back to Minnesota to get re-elected or to try to get in on the Senate race.

Good point. I read that the money the campaigns spent on advertising in Iowa was a fraction of what was spent in 2008. Much of it due to the debates. Do not know if PAC money was included in advertising expenses, or just the campaigns.

I think having no WTA until April also helps, since it is harder for one candidate to run up the delegate count as early as they use to.

However Huntsman needed to do better as did Butt Froth.

(01-11-2012 07:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The main thing that surprises me so far is that Iowa and New Hampshire combined have only managed to chase out 1 candidate (Bachmann). I really thought we'd be down to 4 or 5-max heading into SC. Instead we have 6, and really it's the first time that everybody was in the pool all at once.

It's strange that Hutnsman and Perry both decided to campaign in South Carolina, but then decided to drop out before Primary-Day in that state.

Anyway, we are now down to 4 which is about what I expected originally for this point of the campaign.

(01-19-2012 11:04 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 07:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The main thing that surprises me so far is that Iowa and New Hampshire combined have only managed to chase out 1 candidate (Bachmann). I really thought we'd be down to 4 or 5-max heading into SC. Instead we have 6, and really it's the first time that everybody was in the pool all at once.

It's strange that Hutnsman and Perry both decided to campaign in South Carolina, but then decided to drop out before Primary-Day in that state.

Anyway, we are now down to 4 which is about what I expected originally for this point of the campaign.

If I was Huntsman Sr....I'd be pissed that I dumped 10 million into my sons campaign and then he drops out. Very strange to me.

I guess when you have a billion...a million is chump change.

(01-19-2012 01:19 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If I was Huntsman Sr....I'd be pissed that I dumped 10 million into my sons campaign and then he drops out. Very strange to me.

The rationale for Huntsman's candidacy was never made clear. Either he was taking a practice-lap in preparation for another go in 2016/2020, or else he was trying to make Romney look "conservative" by comparison for the party-base.

Quote:I guess when you have a billion...a million is chump change.

I think the Huntsman family has much, much more than $1b , but your basic point is undeniable...

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Back in 1974, Nelson Rockefeller was nominated to be VP after Ford replaced Nixon. Rocky was reportedly very embarrassed/angry because all the financial-disclosures he had to make proved that he was actually worth much, much LESS than what he had let on. He was one "plutocrat" who never hesitated to flaunt his wealth.

(01-19-2012 01:19 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-19-2012 11:04 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-11-2012 07:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The main thing that surprises me so far is that Iowa and New Hampshire combined have only managed to chase out 1 candidate (Bachmann). I really thought we'd be down to 4 or 5-max heading into SC. Instead we have 6, and really it's the first time that everybody was in the pool all at once.

It's strange that Hutnsman and Perry both decided to campaign in South Carolina, but then decided to drop out before Primary-Day in that state.

Anyway, we are now down to 4 which is about what I expected originally for this point of the campaign.

If I was Huntsman Sr....I'd be pissed that I dumped 10 million into my sons campaign and then he drops out. Very strange to me.

I guess when you have a billion...a million is chump change.

Actually, the 10 million never materialized.