1. He wants to eliminate most federal government agencies.
2. He wants to end the Federal Reserve.
3. He wants to end the drug war.
4. He wants to end the welfare state.
5. He wants to end foreign aid other than for humanitarianism.
6. He wants to end the income tax.
7. He wants to scrap obamacare.
8. He wants to scale back or eliminate our military presence overseas.
9. He wants to balance the federal budget.
10. He would follow the Constitution when making policy.

This country is too chicken sh!t for REAL change.

Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

This seems both important and controversial. Wingnuts of all stripes assemble!

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This seems both important and controversial. Wingnuts of all stripes assemble!

Nah...Better to just stay on the path we are on now. It will be fine. Ron Paul is a damn Kook.

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

Yes...We need to spend another 400 billion on this. The cops, lawyers and judges need something to do.

(12-21-2011 05:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

Yes...We need to spend another 400 billion on this. The cops, lawyers and judges need something to do.

I would say that instead of sending our money and agents into So and Central America, maybe we should take that money and put it on the border and prevent this stuff from coming here.

Those aren't the reasons.

His age and that he's not a corporatist like all the neo-cons and Obama.

(12-21-2011 06:13 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

Yes...We need to spend another 400 billion on this. The cops, lawyers and judges need something to do.

I would say that instead of sending our money and agents into So and Central America, maybe we should take that money and put it on the border and prevent this stuff from coming here.

Yes..and build bigger fences. Much more cost effective than elimination of the black market caused by prohibition.

(12-21-2011 06:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Those aren't the reasons.

Yeah...These other candidates are going push for this this stuff anyway..Never mind...

(12-21-2011 07:11 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  His age and that he's not a corporatist like all the neo-cons and Obama.

Hey...Make your own list.

I just don't see why we can't build a big wall like they did in A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones). That would solve everything.

(12-21-2011 05:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  1. He wants to eliminate most federal government agencies.
2. He wants to end the Federal Reserve.
3. He wants to end the drug war.
4. He wants to end the welfare state.
5. He wants to end foreign aid other than for humanitarianism.
6. He wants to end the income tax.
7. He wants to scrap obamacare.
8. He wants to scale back or eliminate our military presence overseas.
9. He wants to balance the federal budget.
10. He would follow the Constitution when making policy.

This country is too chicken sh!t for REAL change.

I can come up with one. He is a loon.

Ron Paul is the best man for the job. Getting rid of all the government baggage would do this country some good. Bring our troops home would be a great move. Everyone is scared of change, they are being mislead by those whose goal it was to over throw the governments of the middle east-paul wolfiwitz, Dick cheney, billy crystol, and so on. The one thing that Obama did right was to end the war in Iraq.

(12-22-2011 02:58 AM)jmufan Wrote:  Ron Paul is the best man for the job. Getting rid of all the government baggage would do this country some good. Bring our troops home would be a great move. Everyone is scared of change, they are being mislead by those whose goal it was to over throw the governments of the middle east-paul wolfiwitz, Dick cheney, billy crystol, and so on. The one thing that Obama did right was to end the war in Iraq.

Yeah 'cause getting rid of the EPA, USDA, FDA etc will allow us to have cleaner air to breathe, safer food and drugs because the market will make corporations more accountable for their actions.

(12-21-2011 05:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  1. He wants to eliminate most federal government agencies.
2. He wants to end the Federal Reserve.
3. He wants to end the drug war.
4. He wants to end the welfare state.
5. He wants to end foreign aid other than for humanitarianism.
6. He wants to end the income tax.
7. He wants to scrap obamacare.
8. He wants to scale back or eliminate our military presence overseas.
9. He wants to balance the federal budget.
10. He would follow the Constitution when making policy.

This country is too chicken sh!t for REAL change.

Indeed, looking at it from the general public's point of view, the words "end" and "eliminate" are too purist and absolute for many mainstream voters to get behind. Words like "reduce" or "reform" would be far more approachable to the masses. Especially when it comes to 1, 3 and 4.

Therefore, those who identify themselves as libertarian will have to choose between a watered down/compromised version of their beliefs and have a much stronger chance of an elected President - or - adhere fully to their complete principles yet always be huge underdogs in big-time elections (a la the LP candidates). Not saying either is right or wrong, just outlining the conundrum.

(12-21-2011 05:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

Yes...We need to spend another 400 billion on this. The cops, lawyers and judges need something to do.

I think this is a good question. How will legalizing marijuana stop the drug war or drug violence? People that are high don't rob banks or shoot people...people who want more cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC do. I agree that marijuana should be legalized and regulated but to assume that will end the war on drugs is naive.

(12-22-2011 08:45 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

Yes...We need to spend another 400 billion on this. The cops, lawyers and judges need something to do.

I think this is a good question. How will legalizing marijuana stop the drug war or drug violence? People that are high don't rob banks or shoot people...people who want more cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC do. I agree that marijuana should be legalized and regulated but to assume that will end the war on drugs is naive.

We already have evidence that ending prohibitions end violent black market activity. Ill let our own experience with alcohol speak for itself.

I would not at this point legalize any substance but cannabis. Just doing that would decrease the vast majority of the problems and allow law enforcement to concentrate on dangerous substances. We are far from ready for total decriminalization of all substances, but it is undeniable that prohibitions cause dangerous black markets because of the risk involved of bring the product to the consumer. Removal of that risk brings the product into the legitimate marketplace where businessmen assume the risk without violence.

(12-22-2011 03:24 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 02:58 AM)jmufan Wrote:  Ron Paul is the best man for the job. Getting rid of all the government baggage would do this country some good. Bring our troops home would be a great move. Everyone is scared of change, they are being mislead by those whose goal it was to over throw the governments of the middle east-paul wolfiwitz, Dick cheney, billy crystol, and so on. The one thing that Obama did right was to end the war in Iraq.

Yeah 'cause getting rid of the EPA, USDA, FDA etc will allow us to have cleaner air to breathe, safer food and drugs because the market will make corporations more accountable for their actions.

What's this thing you have against corporations? Why do you hate the job creators of this country?

(12-22-2011 09:37 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 08:45 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:35 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-21-2011 05:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Those are reasons why he should win. Except for the drug war part.

Yes...We need to spend another 400 billion on this. The cops, lawyers and judges need something to do.

I think this is a good question. How will legalizing marijuana stop the drug war or drug violence? People that are high don't rob banks or shoot people...people who want more cocaine/crack/heroin...ETC do. I agree that marijuana should be legalized and regulated but to assume that will end the war on drugs is naive.

We already have evidence that ending prohibitions end violent black market activity. Ill let our own experience with alcohol speak for itself.

I would not at this point legalize any substance but cannabis. Just doing that would decrease the vast majority of the problems and allow law enforcement to concentrate on dangerous substances. We are far from ready for total decriminalization of all substances, but it is undeniable that prohibitions cause dangerous black markets because of the risk involved of bring the product to the consumer. Removal of that risk brings the product into the legitimate marketplace where businessmen assume the risk without violence.

Respectfully I disagree. Pot isn't the problem. Legalizing Pot will do little to reduce the crime rate associated with illegal drugs.