Great spot for FIU

https://twitter.com/#!/mcmurphycbs/statu...0118962176

Good news. I assume FIU would be their first choice since they have a little bit more name recognition thank WKU. Hopefully WKU can get a bowl.

GO SBC!

So the Sun Belt officially has a 2011 secondary agreement in that bowl? I haven't seen any proof of that. I'm not saying you don't I just haven't seen any yet.

edit: Just found one that said SBC fills if the Big10 cannot. But It looks like the Big10 will...

Ive also been hearing about this scenario of a big east team going to the liberty bowl and leaving a spot open which would then be most likely filled by a sunbelt team. If this is true I would assume that they would invite FIU over WKU because of our record and because that fact that St. Pete is only 3 hours away from Miami. I really hope this is where we end up because I would definitely be able to make the trip.

(11-27-2011 01:01 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  So the Sun Belt officially has a 2011 secondary agreement in that bowl? I haven't seen any proof of that. I'm not saying you don't I just haven't seen any yet.

edit: Just found one that said SBC fills if the Big10 cannot. But It looks like the Big10 will...

Not sure how reliable this is because its from Wikipedia, but here's some proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef_'O'_Brady's_Bowl

no source in that link, I thought that was legit too. It's not.

(11-27-2011 01:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  no source in that link, I thought that was legit too. It's not.

Just found a reputable source.
http://www.stpetersburgbowl.com/node/63

Looks like a legit source and that would be the perfect landing spot for FIU

h

(11-27-2011 01:13 AM)Nick305 Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 01:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  no source in that link, I thought that was legit too. It's not.

Just found a reputable source.
http://www.stpetersburgbowl.com/node/63

That source is a press release from last year, and it does not say how many seasons the SBC secondary agreement was for.

The MAC definitely has secondary agreements this year for New Mexico, St. Pete, San Fran and Birmingham. See:

http://footballbowlassociation.com/mac/index.php

As far as I can confirm, the SBC only has a secondary agreement with Detroit, which is filled. Sorry but I think FIU and WKU are SOL.

(11-27-2011 10:10 AM)Max Power Wrote:  h

(11-27-2011 01:13 AM)Nick305 Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 01:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  no source in that link, I thought that was legit too. It's not.

Just found a reputable source.
http://www.stpetersburgbowl.com/node/63

That source is a press release from last year, and it does not say how many seasons the SBC secondary agreement was for.

The MAC definitely has secondary agreements this year for New Mexico, St. Pete, San Fran and Birmingham. See:

http://footballbowlassociation.com/mac/index.php

As far as I can confirm, the SBC only has a secondary agreement with Detroit, which is filled. Sorry but I think FIU and WKU are SOL.

I think they'll find spots

CUSA only has 5 teams for 7 slots, and if Houston beats USM, then we'll only have 4 teams for those slots. Also, I believe the SEC didn't fill out there bowl slots as well

It's sad that as the Sun Belt finally improves enough to have four legitimate bowl teams, only two may actually go bowling.

(11-27-2011 10:15 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 10:10 AM)Max Power Wrote:  h

(11-27-2011 01:13 AM)Nick305 Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 01:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  no source in that link, I thought that was legit too. It's not.

Just found a reputable source.
http://www.stpetersburgbowl.com/node/63

That source is a press release from last year, and it does not say how many seasons the SBC secondary agreement was for.

The MAC definitely has secondary agreements this year for New Mexico, St. Pete, San Fran and Birmingham. See:

http://footballbowlassociation.com/mac/index.php

As far as I can confirm, the SBC only has a secondary agreement with Detroit, which is filled. Sorry but I think FIU and WKU are SOL.

I think they'll find spots

CUSA only has 5 teams for 7 slots, and if Houston beats USM, then we'll only have 4 teams for those slots. Also, I believe the SEC didn't fill out there bowl slots as well

The SEC slot in Birmingham will be filled by the MAC per their secondary agreement.

C-USA will be 3 short if Houston gets a BCS bid, yes, and those will be the only at large slots: Military, Ticket City and Hawaii.

The Big Ten looks like it will have an at large team, even if Michigan gets a BCS at large, though Ohio State or Penn State may decline. (They say they aren't though so I doubt it). But barring that, Northwestern's in the at large pool.

The Big XII will add Iowa State to the at large pool.

The Mountain West will add Air Force.

The Big East could have one or two at larges after next weekend.

Sorry, I just don't see an SBC at large. WKU, FIU and if USF, UConn or Hawaii win next week Ball State look to be out. The only way is if Penn State or Ohio State are forced to or voluntarily sit out.

Well, as of now, including the winner of Pitt-Syracuse game, there are 71 bowl eligible teams (Miami opted out, and UCLA is now not bowl eligible): (Air Force is already in, will not be added next week)



http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings

There are four games next weekend with one team needing a victory to become bowl eligible:

USF @ West Virginia
UCLA @ Oregon (Pac 12 Championship) where UCLA is there because USC's sanctions, but if they lose they end up 6-7
UConn @ Cincinnati
BYU @ Hawaii

I would think that the 4 teams needing to win to become eligible will be underdogs in their respective games, so it wouldn't necessarily be a surprise if all 4 lose. If this happens, only 71 bowl eligible teams. The MAC secondary agreement is the #4 pick divided among the St. Pete or Compass or New Mexico Bowl. The MAC's #5 selection this year goes to San Francisco's bowl game, if open. Even if you get the 2 MAC teams with secondary Bowl agreement, it leaves Ball State, WKU, and FIU. If it ends up being only 71 eligible teams, I would think WKU and FIU go before Ball State.



So, your vision might be correct, but....it might be a little premature to say no SBC at large teams. We shall see.

what's with the MAC fans coming to our board to stir up controversy?

Well you're assuming the MAC can only fill two of its secondary tie ins. It can in fact fill as many as possible, and the correct picking order is on the NIU athletics site. See:

http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-footb...ntral.html

Yes, there are only 71 bowl eligibles, assuming UCLA doesn't get a waiver from the NCAA. The NCAA rules state that a main consideration in granting a waiver, though, is whether that team's conference can fill its bowl ties without the waiver, and the Pac 12 cannot. So while it's not a slam dunk, I think it's highly likely UCLA is granted the waiver, making 72 eligibles.

If three of the four MAC secondaries materialize, which looks to be the case, if the number stays at 72 anyway, Ball State is good and WKU and FIU are SOL.

But if UCLA is denied the waiver and the number stays at 71, San Francisco opens up and obviously either WKU or FIU goes bowling.

From the NCAA Postseason Football Handbook:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/...otball.pdf

Quote:2. A conference team that is 6-6 and plays in a conference championship game and loses to finish with a record of 6-7 may apply for a waiver to allow that team to be considered for a postseason bowl. Conditions that will be considered in such a waiver include whether or not all other conference teams under consideration have 6-6 records and there are not a sufficient number of eligible teams to meet the conference’s bowl commitments.

The first factor weighs against UCLA and the second is in their favor. But is the NCAA really going to do the SBC any favors at the Pac 12's expense? I'd be shocked.

(11-27-2011 02:47 PM)Max Power Wrote:  The first factor weighs against UCLA and the second is in their favor. But is the NCAA really going to do the SBC any favors at the Pac 12's expense? I'd be shocked.

No way. the Belt and the MAC are both victims of the system, we will ALWAYS get screwed when it comes down to us vs. an AQ league.

(11-27-2011 02:17 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Well you're assuming the MAC can only fill two of its secondary tie ins. It can in fact fill as many as possible, and the correct picking order is on the NIU athletics site. See:

http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-footb...ntral.html

Yes, there are only 71 bowl eligibles, assuming UCLA doesn't get a waiver from the NCAA. The NCAA rules state that a main consideration in granting a waiver, though, is whether that team's conference can fill its bowl ties without the waiver, and the Pac 12 cannot. So while it's not a slam dunk, I think it's highly likely UCLA is granted the waiver, making 72 eligibles.

If three of the four MAC secondaries materialize, which looks to be the case, if the number stays at 72 anyway, Ball State is good and WKU and FIU are SOL.

But if UCLA is denied the waiver and the number stays at 71, San Francisco opens up and obviously either WKU or FIU goes bowling.

The link you just provided from NIU does give the indication that every MAC team bowl eligible would find a spot before any other conference, including Ball State. However, I based my comment on this link you provided us in another thread, which gives the indication that the MAC only has 5 picks:

http://footballbowlassociation.com/mac/11mac_bowls.pdf

In it, the site explains a little bit differently:

Quote: The MAC’s No. 4 selection could play in any of the following games through 2013 – Birmingham, New Mexico or St.
Petersburg, while the No. 5 selection could play in San Francisco in 2011 (vs. the Pac-12) and Dallas in 2012 (vs. the
Big Ten or Big 12).

We all agree the MAC and SBC teams should be the last ones invited, all things being equal. The fact the MAC has those secondary agreements appear to secure a spot for at least 2 of the 3 at large teams they have. Depending on the interpretation of the agreements, the MAC has that 3rd spot solidified as well. If so, it basically closes the door on any other at large teams from other conferences.