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Cuse fans, get real
As a native New Yorker, one of the more ridiculous things I've read here all too often, is that somehow Syracuse will be delivering the NYC market for the ACC. Nothing could be further from the truth. Outside of the alums living in the area, no one cares one bit about Syracuse. I would put money on the fact, that if you randomly questioned 100 people on the streets of New York, not 1 in a 100 could name the Syracuse football coach, the quarterback, or any member of the team for that matter. Nor could anyone tell you who they last played in football, or who their next opponent is. In fact to take it one step further, few would be able to find Syracuse on a map of New York State if you asked them.

It's humorous how Syracuse so desperately wants to be affiliated with NYC that they have an image of the Stuatue of Liberty on their athletic website. ACC fans might be interested to know you already have two teams much closer to Madison Square Garden than Syracuse, those being BC and Maryland. Maybe Maryland missed the boat by not putting a New York emblem on their website so they could have claimed to be "New Yorks team". Of course they'd have had to beat Temple, Villanova, Penn State and numerous others that are also far closer than Syracuse.

I will admit there is some interest in New York in Syracuse's basketball team. But that is based on the fact they have an elite program, just as there is similar interest in Kentucky, Kansas and other top programs. However just because Kentucky played at the Garden this past week, and people enjoyed seeing them, no one would call them New York's team, as they don't with Syracuse either. In the past, with New York being a Big East town, most would have pulled for Syracuse against an OOC team, like say Texas for example. But once Syracuse is gone to the ACC, that minor allegiance will disappear forever, as you'll simply be one more remote ACC outpost like Blacksburg, Tallahassee, and Winston-Salem. Quite simply, no one will care. Although recent years haven't been kind to New York City collegiate fans, we are hopeful that Steve Lavin will brings St. Johns back, and he seems to have taken a good first step with a strong freshman class. Should that happen, the Garden will be rocking, and we'll be rooting for "our team". Or if the stars mysteriously line up right and somehow Fordham, Iona or Hofstra become relevant on the national stage, we'll also be rooting for them. ( I'm not holding my breath on that one though).

It amazes me how you Syracuse fans gloat over what you perceive as such a good situation. You're going from one really bad football conference to another bad one, that has only been made worse by your inclusion. And then you're going from what has hands down been the best basketball conference in the nation, to one that has two elite teams, the same two year in and year out, and 10 others that range from mediocre to out and out dreadful. You've had a powerhouse home schedule for years, it'll be interesting to see how long the novelty lasts before the reality of every other year home game with Carolina and Duke surrounded by the Marylands and Wakes and Virginias and other ACC drek sinks in. Those 1000 mile road trips should be fun. The ACC is a baseball powerhouse though, it'll be interesting to see how you fare there, oh wait... that's right, Syracuse doesn't even have a baseball team. Yeah, you guys are a terrific cultural fit for them.

Anyway, back to the original point, stop trying to pull the wool over your new conference mates eyes by acting like you have any relevence in the New York market. The only market you'll deliver will be Syracuse, New York, and that will barely manage a blip on any national ratings measure. And if the Big East implodes, and we're forced to adopt an ACC team, the majority of us will go with BC or Maryland, which are both much closer and a more reasonable cultural fit. Syracuse is like a foreign country to us.
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miko? is this you?
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(11-24-2011 11:07 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  miko? is this you?

it's not Miko-the post is coherent
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I couldn't have said it better myself although I've tried. 04-rock The notion that Syracuse commands some kind of presence in NYC is ridiculous, absurd.

What will be interesting is to see how the loss of games in NYC & its vicinity affects Syracuse's recruiting in the City.
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that sure is a lot of hate! just skimmed it though. probably meant a lot to you though. glad you got that off your chest!
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I would have to disagree with the assertion that the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. While top to bottom the ACC has certainly been top heavy the last few years and the Big East has been much stronger top to bottom, historically speaking the ACC is by far the best conference in college basketball. And NYC is so big and diverse I don't think any one school could ever hope to "deliver" the tv market there.
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(11-24-2011 11:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I couldn't have said it better myself although I've tried. 04-rock The notion that Syracuse commands some kind of presence in NYC is ridiculous, absurd.

What will be interesting is to see how the loss of games in NYC & its vicinity affects Syracuse's recruiting in the City.

I've been saying the same thing. Yes, every once in a while they will have an OOC game there but it wont replace the two yearly trips against SJU and the BE Tourny. The Johnnies have no real need to schedule Cuse in OOC play since we have a great deal of top notch schools who want to play us in the Garden. For example we have been playing Duke in a OOC series for a loooong time. This year we also have UCLA and UK on our schedule.
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(11-24-2011 11:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the assertion that the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. While top to bottom the ACC has certainly been top heavy the last few years and the Big East has been much stronger top to bottom, historically speaking the ACC is by far the best conference in college basketball. And NYC is so big and diverse I don't think any one school could ever hope to "deliver" the tv market there.

Uh the Big East has been better than the ACC for a very long time. The ACC is much older than the Big East but they never had the depth we have and had. 3 teams in the final four will never be replicated by the ACC or any other conference.
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(11-24-2011 11:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the assertion that the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. While top to bottom the ACC has certainly been top heavy the last few years and the Big East has been much stronger top to bottom, historically speaking the ACC is by far the best conference in college basketball. And NYC is so big and diverse I don't think any one school could ever hope to "deliver" the tv market there.

Uh the Big East has been better than the ACC for a very long time. The ACC is much older than the Big East but they never had the depth we have and had. 3 teams in the final four will never be replicated by the ACC or any other conference.

We'll have to disagree on that one I guess. There are how many NCAA championships won by ACC teams? Chapel Hill (5), Duke (4), State (2), Maryland (1)? Wake Forest has had a number of outstanding teams as has UVA and GT. How many have UConn (3?), Syracuse (1), Georgetown (1), and Nova (1) won? It looks to me like the ACC has won about twice as many. And of course two of your best teams are leaving. Also the fact that the ACC is much older means that the strength of their progams can better be put in perspective. We are the conference that beat Wilt Chamberlain in the 50s, ended the domination of UCLA in the 70s, and won mulitiple titles in the the 80s,90s and 2000s. Don't get me wrong the Big East has been the better conference in the last few years but the last few years is just that. Lets see how you are doing 10, 20. 30 years from now.
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(11-24-2011 11:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I couldn't have said it better myself although I've tried. 04-rock The notion that Syracuse commands some kind of presence in NYC is ridiculous, absurd.

What will be interesting is to see how the loss of games in NYC & its vicinity affects Syracuse's recruiting in the City.

Our recruiting won't skip a beat. We're a national power house. We can recruit anyone. Besides the ACC tourney will one day be in the Garden, and Syracuse will schedule an OOC game in NYC like Duke does every year.

It's absurd that UConn fans think they have a presence in NYC. 03-lmfao

Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Notre Dame, and Penn State all have decent followings in NYC. Syracuse markets itself as "New York's College Team", not "New York Cities College Team". You people are f@cking retarded.
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Nobody makes decisions based solely on college basketball anyways so who cares?

Any Big East school that plays football would jump to the ACC in a heartbeat.
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(11-24-2011 11:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the assertion that the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. While top to bottom the ACC has certainly been top heavy the last few years and the Big East has been much stronger top to bottom, historically speaking the ACC is by far the best conference in college basketball. And NYC is so big and diverse I don't think any one school could ever hope to "deliver" the tv market there.

Uh the Big East has been better than the ACC for a very long time. The ACC is much older than the Big East but they never had the depth we have and had. 3 teams in the final four will never be replicated by the ACC or any other conference.

We'll have to disagree on that one I guess. There are how many NCAA championships won by ACC teams? Chapel Hill seven or eight, Duke seven or eight, State two, Maryland one? Wake Forest has had a number of outstanding teams as has UVA and GT. How many have UConn, Syracuse Georgetown and Nova won? And of course Syracuse is leaving. Also the fact that the ACC is much older means that the strength of their progams can better be put in perspective. We are the conference that beat Wilt Chamberlain in the 50s, ended the domination of UCLA in the 70s, and won mulitiple titles in the the 80s,90s and 2000s. Don't get me wrong the Big East has been the better conference in the last few years but the last few years is just that. Lets see how you are doing 10, 20. 30 years from now.

Once again, you prove everyones point. The ACC is just two teams, Duke and UNC. Look at the all time wins list and compare the schools in each conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

This is how many teams in the top 50

ACC:
UNC 3
Duke 4
NC St 25

Big East:
Cuse 5
St. Johns 7
Notre Dame 9
UofL 19
WVU 21
Cincy 23
Nova 27
UConn 28
GTown 32
Marquette 48
Pitt 49

Even if you add Cuse and Pitt you still dont touch the historical depth of the Big East.
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(11-25-2011 12:21 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I couldn't have said it better myself although I've tried. 04-rock The notion that Syracuse commands some kind of presence in NYC is ridiculous, absurd.

What will be interesting is to see how the loss of games in NYC & its vicinity affects Syracuse's recruiting in the City.

Our recruiting won't skip a beat. We're a national power house. We can recruit anyone. Besides the ACC tourney will one day be in the Garden, and Syracuse will schedule an OOC game in NYC like Duke does every year.

It's absurd that UConn fans think they have a presence in NYC. 03-lmfao

Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Notre Dame, and Penn State all have decent followings in NYC. Syracuse markets itself as "New York's College Team", not "New York Cities College Team". You people are f@cking retarded.

The ACC tourny wont be in the Garden because they cant even sell out in NC. Why would anyone think they could sell out hundreds of miles away from the center of the conference.

If you think you will not miss a beat no longer playing in your recruiting grounds means you're retarded. Also New York City is in New York so it's saying the same thing dipchit.
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(11-25-2011 12:23 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  This is how many teams in the top 50

ACC:
UNC 3
Duke 4
Cuse 5
Notre Dame 9 (it will happen eventually)
NC St 25
Pitt 49

Big East:
St. Johns 7
UofL 19 (Will probably be in the XII)
Cincy 23 (possibly XII)
Nova 27
UConn 28
GTown 32
Marquette 48

FIFY

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(11-25-2011 12:29 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 12:23 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  This is how many teams in the top 50

ACC:
UNC 3
Duke 4
Cuse 5
Notre Dame 9 (it will happen eventually)
NC St 25
Pitt 49

Big East:
St. Johns 7
UofL 19 (Will probably be in the XII)
Cincy 23 (possibly XII)
Nova 27
UConn 28
GTown 32
Marquette 48

FIFY

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I love how the ACC fans think they can get anyone they want including Notre Dame. Please explain why they would turn down a conference who would offer them more money, more geographic sense, more historical rivals and a better reputation and bowl tie ins for the ACC who is BARELY above the Big East in reputation and if the Big east ever does stop playing FB they will be easily viewed as the worst BCS conference and all the heat the BE has taken over the years will be thrown down upon that league? Thats a looooong question that completely sums up why you will never EVER get Notre Dame.
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(11-25-2011 12:28 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The ACC tourny wont be in the Garden because they cant even sell out in NC. Why would anyone think they could sell out hundreds of miles away from the center of the conference.

If you think you will not miss a beat no longer playing in your recruiting grounds means you're retarded. Also New York City is in New York so it's saying the same thing dipchit.

First off we hardly recruit NYC. Only one player that gets playing time is from NYC, and he doesn't start.

Players with significant playing time are from.

Boston
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Montreal
Senegal
Jamesville

We recruit up and down the east coast. . 03-lmfao

The ACC tourney will one day be in the Garden, no matter how much you scoff at it.
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(11-25-2011 12:23 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the assertion that the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. While top to bottom the ACC has certainly been top heavy the last few years and the Big East has been much stronger top to bottom, historically speaking the ACC is by far the best conference in college basketball. And NYC is so big and diverse I don't think any one school could ever hope to "deliver" the tv market there.

Uh the Big East has been better than the ACC for a very long time. The ACC is much older than the Big East but they never had the depth we have and had. 3 teams in the final four will never be replicated by the ACC or any other conference.

We'll have to disagree on that one I guess. There are how many NCAA championships won by ACC teams? Chapel Hill seven or eight, Duke seven or eight, State two, Maryland one? Wake Forest has had a number of outstanding teams as has UVA and GT. How many have UConn, Syracuse Georgetown and Nova won? And of course Syracuse is leaving. Also the fact that the ACC is much older means that the strength of their progams can better be put in perspective. We are the conference that beat Wilt Chamberlain in the 50s, ended the domination of UCLA in the 70s, and won mulitiple titles in the the 80s,90s and 2000s. Don't get me wrong the Big East has been the better conference in the last few years but the last few years is just that. Lets see how you are doing 10, 20. 30 years from now.

Once again, you prove everyones point. The ACC is just two teams, Duke and UNC. Look at the all time wins list and compare the schools in each conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

This is how many teams in the top 50

ACC:
UNC 3
Duke 4
NC St 25

Big East:
Cuse 5
St. Johns 7
Notre Dame 9
UofL 19
WVU 21
Cincy 23
Nova 27
UConn 28
GTown 32
Marquette 48
Pitt 49

Even if you add Cuse and Pitt you still dont touch the historical depth of the Big East.

Not really, how many of those wins were actually in the Big East? THe conference is a mishmash of teams. Marquette was strong years ago before they were in the BE as was Louisville and Cinci. You can't take credit for what these teams did when they weren't in your conference. It isn't part of your history, it's part of their individual histories or the Metro Conferences history or whatever conference they were in way back then. You guys are just kids in the grand scheme of things. ACC has 12 national championships to the Big East's 6 and both have four teams that have one at least one of them. Sure Dookie and UNX have dominated the conference in the last twenty years but by the same token hasn't UConn dominated the Big East? The tradition of the ACC tourney is an institution where life literally stops for a few days here in NC. Perhaps one reason you don't see more ACC teams in the top 50 is because for over 50 years we have been beating up on each other in a highly competitive conference while for many years many of your BE teams were playing in much less competitive conferences before joining the BE? Something to think about.
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See, even over here he has to argue and he's calling other people trolls. Anybody that has an opinion is whining, but he is the "expert". On and on and every friggin board................
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(11-25-2011 12:28 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 12:21 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  
(11-24-2011 11:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I couldn't have said it better myself although I've tried. 04-rock The notion that Syracuse commands some kind of presence in NYC is ridiculous, absurd.

What will be interesting is to see how the loss of games in NYC & its vicinity affects Syracuse's recruiting in the City.

Our recruiting won't skip a beat. We're a national power house. We can recruit anyone. Besides the ACC tourney will one day be in the Garden, and Syracuse will schedule an OOC game in NYC like Duke does every year.

It's absurd that UConn fans think they have a presence in NYC. 03-lmfao

Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Notre Dame, and Penn State all have decent followings in NYC. Syracuse markets itself as "New York's College Team", not "New York Cities College Team". You people are f@cking retarded.

The ACC tourny wont be in the Garden because they cant even sell out in NC. Why would anyone think they could sell out hundreds of miles away from the center of the conference.

If you think you will not miss a beat no longer playing in your recruiting grounds means you're retarded. Also New York City is in New York so it's saying the same thing dipchit.

Obviously you know nothing about the ACC or Syracuse recruiting. The ACC tourney is always a sellout regardless of where it is held. What the heck were you thinking?
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