(11-25-2011 12:35 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how the ACC fans think they can get anyone they want including Notre Dame. Please explain why they would turn down a conference who would offer them more money, more geographic sense, more historical rivals and a better reputation and bowl tie ins for the ACC who is BARELY above the Big East in reputation and if the Big east ever does stop playing FB they will be easily viewed as the worst BCS conference and all the heat the BE has taken over the years will be thrown down upon that league? Thats a looooong question that completely sums up why you will never EVER get Notre Dame.

ACC is WAY above the Big East in reputation buddy. Especially after being raided AGAIN. Almost all name programs are gone from the Big East. Meanwhile the ACC took all those name brands.

I've explained to you multiple times why ND would want the ACC over the B1G. Here it goes again. Notre Dame has alumni up and down the east coast. They want exposure in big cities, not in the middle of nowhere Iowa. Notre Dame protects more of it's non revenue sports in the ACC. The main one being lacrosse, which the play at a high level at. There are more reasons than that, but I'm tired and don't feel like typing more.

Notre Dame is in "significant conversations" with the ACC right now too.

(11-25-2011 12:40 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:23 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 11:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 11:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 11:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the assertion that the Big East is the best conference in college basketball. While top to bottom the ACC has certainly been top heavy the last few years and the Big East has been much stronger top to bottom, historically speaking the ACC is by far the best conference in college basketball. And NYC is so big and diverse I don't think any one school could ever hope to "deliver" the tv market there.

Uh the Big East has been better than the ACC for a very long time. The ACC is much older than the Big East but they never had the depth we have and had. 3 teams in the final four will never be replicated by the ACC or any other conference.

We'll have to disagree on that one I guess. There are how many NCAA championships won by ACC teams? Chapel Hill seven or eight, Duke seven or eight, State two, Maryland one? Wake Forest has had a number of outstanding teams as has UVA and GT. How many have UConn, Syracuse Georgetown and Nova won? And of course Syracuse is leaving. Also the fact that the ACC is much older means that the strength of their progams can better be put in perspective. We are the conference that beat Wilt Chamberlain in the 50s, ended the domination of UCLA in the 70s, and won mulitiple titles in the the 80s,90s and 2000s. Don't get me wrong the Big East has been the better conference in the last few years but the last few years is just that. Lets see how you are doing 10, 20. 30 years from now.

Once again, you prove everyones point. The ACC is just two teams, Duke and UNC. Look at the all time wins list and compare the schools in each conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

This is how many teams in the top 50

ACC:
UNC 3
Duke 4
NC St 25

Big East:
Cuse 5
St. Johns 7
Notre Dame 9
UofL 19
WVU 21
Cincy 23
Nova 27
UConn 28
GTown 32
Marquette 48
Pitt 49

Even if you add Cuse and Pitt you still dont touch the historical depth of the Big East.

Not really, how many of those wins were actually in the Big East? THe conference is a mishmash of teams. Marquette was strong years ago before they were in the BE as was Louisville and Cinci. You can't take credit for what these teams did when they weren't in your conference. It isn't part of your history, it's part of their individual histories or the Metro Conferences history or whatever conference they were in way back then. You guys are just kids in the grand scheme of things. ACC has 12 national championships to the Big East's 6 and both have four teams that have one at least one of them. Sure Dookie and UNX have dominated the conference in the last twenty years but by the same token hasn't UConn dominated the Big East? The tradition of the ACC tourney is an institution where life literally stops for a few days here in NC. Perhaps one reason you don't see more ACC teams in the top 50 is because for over 50 years we have been beating up on each other in a highly competitive conference while for many years many of your BE teams were playing in much less competitive conferences before joining the BE? Something to think about.

No UConn hasnt dominated the Big East. They dont win the conference every year. Also just because the ACC is older doesn't mean it's "Historically better". Yes, life stops in NC for the ACC tourny, but the Big East in the Garden is simply better, and no life doesn't stop here because it's NYC. We didn't even stop when 9-11 happened.

SJU, GTown, Nova and Cuse were playing each other for years before the Big East. Also every team in the Big East except for USF has been to a Final Four. Can the ACC say the same? Not even close.

(11-25-2011 12:43 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  See, even over here he has to argue and he's calling other people trolls. Anybody that has an opinion is whining, but he is the "expert". On and on and every friggin board................

What are you doing on the Big East board ya troll.

(11-25-2011 12:51 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  What are you doing on the Big East board ya troll.

This is the conference realignment board.

(11-25-2011 12:47 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:28 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:21 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 11:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I couldn't have said it better myself although I've tried. The notion that Syracuse commands some kind of presence in NYC is ridiculous, absurd.

What will be interesting is to see how the loss of games in NYC & its vicinity affects Syracuse's recruiting in the City.

Our recruiting won't skip a beat. We're a national power house. We can recruit anyone. Besides the ACC tourney will one day be in the Garden, and Syracuse will schedule an OOC game in NYC like Duke does every year.

It's absurd that UConn fans think they have a presence in NYC.

Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Notre Dame, and Penn State all have decent followings in NYC. Syracuse markets itself as "New York's College Team", not "New York Cities College Team". You people are f@cking retarded.

The ACC tourny wont be in the Garden because they cant even sell out in NC. Why would anyone think they could sell out hundreds of miles away from the center of the conference.

If you think you will not miss a beat no longer playing in your recruiting grounds means you're retarded. Also New York City is in New York so it's saying the same thing dipchit.

Obviously you know nothing about the ACC or Syracuse recruiting. The ACC tourney is always a sellout regardless of where it is held. What the heck were you thinking?

Obviously you dont know what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_ACC_Me...Tournament

This season, the ACC implemented a new ticket policy in hopes to sell out more of the Greensboro Coliseum's approximately 23,000 seats.[1] In previous years, each school was allotted an equal number of ticket books, 1,740, for distrubution. This left large numbers of tickets unsold as some schools, such as Boston College, Miami, and Florida State, do not have large numbers of fans who make the trip to Greensboro for the tournament.

(11-25-2011 12:53 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:51 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  What are you doing on the Big East board ya troll.

This is the conference realignment board.

My mistake, i was bouncing between the two and lost track on which was i was on. I apologize.

Next he'll be quoting from Wikipedia how the use of estrogen affects the personality of realignment posters.

(11-25-2011 12:49 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:35 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love how the ACC fans think they can get anyone they want including Notre Dame. Please explain why they would turn down a conference who would offer them more money, more geographic sense, more historical rivals and a better reputation and bowl tie ins for the ACC who is BARELY above the Big East in reputation and if the Big east ever does stop playing FB they will be easily viewed as the worst BCS conference and all the heat the BE has taken over the years will be thrown down upon that league? Thats a looooong question that completely sums up why you will never EVER get Notre Dame.

ACC is WAY above the Big East in reputation buddy. Especially after being raided AGAIN. Almost all name programs are gone from the Big East. Meanwhile the ACC took all those name brands.

I've explained to you multiple times why ND would want the ACC over the B1G. Here it goes again. Notre Dame has alumni up and down the east coast. They want exposure in big cities, not in the middle of nowhere Iowa. Notre Dame protects more of it's non revenue sports in the ACC. The main one being lacrosse, which the play at a high level at. There are more reasons than that, but I'm tired and don't feel like typing more.

Notre Dame is in "significant conversations" with the ACC right now too.

All ND has to do is tell the B1G is it will join and wants Rutgers to be the 14th school and its a done deal and they get the connection to their east coast alum. It's north east alum not south east alum. Not to mention chicago. Cuse and Pitt are terrible at Fb and actually brings the ACC's stock down in that regard. We lost Pitt and Cuse and are replacing them with Boise and Houston two top ten teams.

(11-25-2011 12:58 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Next he'll be quoting from Wikipedia how the use of estrogen affects the personality of realignment posters.

How about this one troll?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02...olicy.html

Redman- in the grand scheme of things what percentage of New Yorkers even know what the Big East is, much less pay attention to college basketball? With all due respect, my guess is not many. Also, National Championships, ACC 12, BE 6. And are you sure every BE team but USF has been in the final four since they have been in the BE? Please give me the teams and years for that. If so that is very impressive.

(11-25-2011 01:04 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Redman- in the grand scheme of things what percentage of New Yorkers even know what the Big East is, much less pay attention to college basketball? With all due respect, my guess is not many. Also, National Championships, ACC 12, BE 6. And are you sure every BE team but USF has been in the final four since they have been in the BE? Please give me the teams and years for that. If so that is very impressive.

Once again the Big East is only 30 years old and we have half as many titles as a league who is more than twice as old as us. The percentage of 9 million people? Yes, im sure the immigrants don't know what the Big East is but every guy who watches sports center knows who the Big east is. You are an idiot, the Big East has a very strong following in NYC. The city is flanked by a half dozen member schools.

(11-25-2011 12:56 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:47 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:28 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 12:21 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 11:10 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I couldn't have said it better myself although I've tried. The notion that Syracuse commands some kind of presence in NYC is ridiculous, absurd.

What will be interesting is to see how the loss of games in NYC & its vicinity affects Syracuse's recruiting in the City.

Our recruiting won't skip a beat. We're a national power house. We can recruit anyone. Besides the ACC tourney will one day be in the Garden, and Syracuse will schedule an OOC game in NYC like Duke does every year.

It's absurd that UConn fans think they have a presence in NYC.

Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, Notre Dame, and Penn State all have decent followings in NYC. Syracuse markets itself as "New York's College Team", not "New York Cities College Team". You people are f@cking retarded.

The ACC tourny wont be in the Garden because they cant even sell out in NC. Why would anyone think they could sell out hundreds of miles away from the center of the conference.

If you think you will not miss a beat no longer playing in your recruiting grounds means you're retarded. Also New York City is in New York so it's saying the same thing dipchit.

Obviously you know nothing about the ACC or Syracuse recruiting. The ACC tourney is always a sellout regardless of where it is held. What the heck were you thinking?

Obviously you dont know what you're talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_ACC_Me...Tournament

This season, the ACC implemented a new ticket policy in hopes to sell out more of the Greensboro Coliseum's approximately 23,000 seats.[1] In previous years, each school was allotted an equal number of ticket books, 1,740, for distrubution. This left large numbers of tickets unsold as some schools, such as Boston College, Miami, and Florida State, do not have large numbers of fans who make the trip to Greensboro for the tournament.

I stand corrected, but it isn't that they can't sell out as there are plenty more people that want to go to the game. They just can't get the tickets because of they are already in the hands of these schools that don't use their alotment. Tickets are not available to the general public. Sad to know that these three schools don't put the butts in the seats like they should.

(11-25-2011 01:10 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:04 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Redman- in the grand scheme of things what percentage of New Yorkers even know what the Big East is, much less pay attention to college basketball? With all due respect, my guess is not many. Also, National Championships, ACC 12, BE 6. And are you sure every BE team but USF has been in the final four since they have been in the BE? Please give me the teams and years for that. If so that is very impressive.

Once again the Big East is only 30 years old and we have half as many titles as a league who is more than twice as old as us. The percentage of 9 million people? Yes, im sure the immigrants don't know what the Big East is but every guy who watches sports center knows who the Big east is. You are an idiot, the Big East has a very strong following in NYC. The city is flanked by a half dozen member schools.

It's disturbing to realize that you can't carry on a lively debate without calling me a name. I would make some snide remark about that being explained by the fact that you are from NYC but I have had the opportunity to visit your city and found the people I encountered there to be very nice. Please try to keep things civil.

(11-25-2011 01:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:10 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:04 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Redman- in the grand scheme of things what percentage of New Yorkers even know what the Big East is, much less pay attention to college basketball? With all due respect, my guess is not many. Also, National Championships, ACC 12, BE 6. And are you sure every BE team but USF has been in the final four since they have been in the BE? Please give me the teams and years for that. If so that is very impressive.

Once again the Big East is only 30 years old and we have half as many titles as a league who is more than twice as old as us. The percentage of 9 million people? Yes, im sure the immigrants don't know what the Big East is but every guy who watches sports center knows who the Big east is. You are an idiot, the Big East has a very strong following in NYC. The city is flanked by a half dozen member schools.

It's disturbing to realize that you can't carry on a lively debate without calling me a name. I would make some snide remark about that being explained by the fact that you are from NYC but I have had the opportunity to visit your city and found the people I encountered there to be very nice. Please try to keep things civil.

You're not allowed an opinion (especially concerning the BE) and if you do voice one, youre an idiot, a troll, etc.etc.etc. etc.

(11-25-2011 01:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:10 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:04 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Redman- in the grand scheme of things what percentage of New Yorkers even know what the Big East is, much less pay attention to college basketball? With all due respect, my guess is not many. Also, National Championships, ACC 12, BE 6. And are you sure every BE team but USF has been in the final four since they have been in the BE? Please give me the teams and years for that. If so that is very impressive.

Once again the Big East is only 30 years old and we have half as many titles as a league who is more than twice as old as us. The percentage of 9 million people? Yes, im sure the immigrants don't know what the Big East is but every guy who watches sports center knows who the Big east is. You are an idiot, the Big East has a very strong following in NYC. The city is flanked by a half dozen member schools.

It's disturbing to realize that you can't carry on a lively debate without calling me a name. I would make some snide remark about that being explained by the fact that you are from NYC but I have had the opportunity to visit your city and found the people I encountered there to be very nice. Please try to keep things civil.

He has been worthless from his first post here. He is the non-football version of miko....stop replying to him and he'll go away. You will never have a logical discussion with him. He is full of hatred and that is all he can post about.

(11-25-2011 01:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:10 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:04 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Redman- in the grand scheme of things what percentage of New Yorkers even know what the Big East is, much less pay attention to college basketball? With all due respect, my guess is not many. Also, National Championships, ACC 12, BE 6. And are you sure every BE team but USF has been in the final four since they have been in the BE? Please give me the teams and years for that. If so that is very impressive.

Once again the Big East is only 30 years old and we have half as many titles as a league who is more than twice as old as us. The percentage of 9 million people? Yes, im sure the immigrants don't know what the Big East is but every guy who watches sports center knows who the Big east is. You are an idiot, the Big East has a very strong following in NYC. The city is flanked by a half dozen member schools.

It's disturbing to realize that you can't carry on a lively debate without calling me a name. I would make some snide remark about that being explained by the fact that you are from NYC but I have had the opportunity to visit your city and found the people I encountered there to be very nice. Please try to keep things civil.

He has been worthless from his first post here. He is the non-football version of miko....stop replying to him and he'll go away. You will never have a logical discussion with him. He is full of hatred and that is all he can post about.

If you drive from Boston to Philadelphia (which includes NYC), you'll learn that only two schools matter: UConn and Rutgers. Just look at the car window stickers and sweatshirts. In that entire trip, you might see one Syracuse sticker.

In that area along the coast, Boston College and Syracuse are marginal in terms of popularity, and Pitt is as popular as New Mexico or Iowa State.

(11-25-2011 01:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  He has been worthless from his first post here. He is the non-football version of miko....stop replying to him and he'll go away. You will never have a logical discussion with him. He is full of hatred and that is all he can post about.

Why do so many people hate on miko?

None of his posts seem bad to me, most of them are hilarious.

Yes guys I do see what you mean. But I already checked on his argument about final four appearances so I'll post what I found out.

Big East appearances in the final four 17.

ACC appearances in the final four 39.

Teams from the BE that I didn't see listed as being in the final four included ND, USF, Marquette, Cincy, Louisville, Pitt?, and several more I think, but I didn't write them down. I think Redman must have been including accomplishments of teams that were independents or in other conferences when they went to the final four.

ACC teams that have been to the final four but haven't ever won a championship were UVA, Wake, and GT.

Also until around 1979 only the conference champion was allowed into the tourney. Soon after the BE was formed so they have had the benefit of having the chance to place multiple teams in the tourney since the began.

One has to wonder how different things might have worked out had Lefties' Terps of the 70s had gotten in, or any number of other teams in the ACC that lost in the conference tourney and got no chance to go to the big dance.

(11-25-2011 01:33 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:10 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:04 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Redman- in the grand scheme of things what percentage of New Yorkers even know what the Big East is, much less pay attention to college basketball? With all due respect, my guess is not many. Also, National Championships, ACC 12, BE 6. And are you sure every BE team but USF has been in the final four since they have been in the BE? Please give me the teams and years for that. If so that is very impressive.

Once again the Big East is only 30 years old and we have half as many titles as a league who is more than twice as old as us. The percentage of 9 million people? Yes, im sure the immigrants don't know what the Big East is but every guy who watches sports center knows who the Big east is. You are an idiot, the Big East has a very strong following in NYC. The city is flanked by a half dozen member schools.

It's disturbing to realize that you can't carry on a lively debate without calling me a name. I would make some snide remark about that being explained by the fact that you are from NYC but I have had the opportunity to visit your city and found the people I encountered there to be very nice. Please try to keep things civil.

He has been worthless from his first post here. He is the non-football version of miko....stop replying to him and he'll go away. You will never have a logical discussion with him. He is full of hatred and that is all he can post about.

Im sure every person who roots for a college football team went to that school right? No one from a small school or ivy league is allowed to talk about college football. Only big state schoolers are allowed on here! I post facts and logical opinions, no wonder why you guys dont like me. Common sense isnt big in the rural areas.