Flipper Romney is even starting to piss of the Republican establishment. He's Flip Flop on the Ohio Union Law shows he would govern on opinion not lead with a plan.

(10-27-2011 04:26 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Romney is going to be the nominee because the rest of the field is just too weak to beat him. As I've said many times, I'll be voting for Romney in the primaries. There's very little difference between Romney and Obama when it comes to governings. As candidates they may look different, but not when it comes to actual implemented policies.

We agree on that point.

(10-27-2011 10:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Romney will never lower himself to being a VP candidate.

+1. It's all or nothing for Willard.

(10-27-2011 07:31 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Flipper Romney is even starting to piss of the Republican establishment. He's Flip Flop on the Ohio Union Law shows he would govern on opinion not lead with a plan.

Romney has earned his Flip-Flop image fair and square, over the course of his 18 years as a candidate or potential candidate for Senator, Governor, and President. That image will be (and should be) used against him in the primaries, and also in the General Election, if he makes it that far. At this point, there is nothing Romney can do about that, and he will simply have to try to find other issues that "outweigh" the flip-flop attacks in order to persuade people to support his candidacy.

But I will say in his defense, he's getting a bum-rap on the Ohio deal. He had already endorsed "Question 2" back in June and was trying to avoid getting trapped in to making a comment about the other ballot-questions, which he admitted, openly and immediately, that he didn't know much about them.

(10-27-2011 08:23 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 07:31 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Flipper Romney is even starting to piss of the Republican establishment. He's Flip Flop on the Ohio Union Law shows he would govern on opinion not lead with a plan.

Romney has earned his Flip-Flop image fair and square, over the course of his 18 years as a candidate or potential candidate for Senator, Governor, and President. That image will be (and should be) used against him in the primaries, and also in the General Election, if he makes it that far. At this point, there is nothing Romney can do about that, and he will simply have to try to find other issues that "outweigh" the flip-flop attacks in order to persuade people to support his candidacy.

But I will say in his defense, he's getting a bum-rap on the Ohio deal. He had already endorsed "Question 2" back in June and was trying to avoid getting trapped in to making a comment about the other ballot-questions, which he admitted, openly and immediately, that he didn't know much about them.

I agree. Its not like Romney said he was against it. He just said he didnt know much about Ohio's particular ballot initiatives, but at the same time he said he supported Kaisich's policies.

(10-27-2011 04:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 03:19 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 12:48 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I guess I will have to vote for Herman then...being the first millionaire not concerned with making more money and all

Not the point. Herman survived stage 4 cancer. He'd MUCH rather spend his retirement with Gloria and his grandkids than go to the hellhole known as D.C. to, as you so ignorantly assume, "make money". This is about the future of America and him thinking he can do something to right the ship that Obama has plowed into the f'n sandbar.

Quote:And awesome? Still fighting the civil war are we? Pssst...you lost...time to move on.

Um, what?

That was a response to the pop comments and IMATY calling me a "Yankee".

And I think your comment which I bolded pretty much proves my point that he ain't actually running to win And not surprisingly, you totally misread my belief. Cain is running to make money...not to make money as the President. Everyone knows that is a paycut.

I was joking...sheesh. Why is everything about race with you? We're all black in the dark and red on the inside. Racist.

What the **** are you talking about? What the hell does any of this have to do with race?

You tell me racist! Stop bringing up irrelevant crap like the civil war when I make a joke about you being a yankee and calling soda.."pop". Pssst..here's a secret...you're not as clever as you think you are. I am though.

(10-27-2011 08:45 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 08:23 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 07:31 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Flipper Romney is even starting to piss of the Republican establishment. He's Flip Flop on the Ohio Union Law shows he would govern on opinion not lead with a plan.

Romney has earned his Flip-Flop image fair and square, over the course of his 18 years as a candidate or potential candidate for Senator, Governor, and President. That image will be (and should be) used against him in the primaries, and also in the General Election, if he makes it that far. At this point, there is nothing Romney can do about that, and he will simply have to try to find other issues that "outweigh" the flip-flop attacks in order to persuade people to support his candidacy.

But I will say in his defense, he's getting a bum-rap on the Ohio deal. He had already endorsed "Question 2" back in June and was trying to avoid getting trapped in to making a comment about the other ballot-questions, which he admitted, openly and immediately, that he didn't know much about them.

I agree. Its not like Romney said he was against it. He just said he didnt know much about Ohio's particular ballot initiatives, but at the same time he said he supported Kaisich's policies.

Mitt really stepped in it with this Ohio ballot initiative. It's going down in flames next month, then he gets to come back into Ohio having supported an failed, unpopular policy and an unpopular governor in a very important electoral state. The radical policies of the right put him in a very bad position, and he couldn't do anything to get out of it.

Backing issue 2 in Ohio is really important. Any Republican who doesn't fully support issue 2 and Governor Kasich has no business being a Republican. Democrats are entrenched with the labor unions. If you are against issue 2 then you are with Obama and the liberal democratic party and their labor unions. Romney had no choice, because without supporting issue 2 he was handing the nomination to Perry. The governors of Indiana, Wisconsin and Ohio are making the tough decisions that have to be done in those the states to create a competive climate for job growth and balancing budgets. Republicans and Independents in Ohio need to stand up to the Democratic party and their unions and say enough is enough. Taxpayers are taking this state back. The public service unions have to take responsibility and pay for some of their retirement and health care like the private sector does. The unions have to understand the state can't afford to pay 90% or more of those retirement benefits anymore. It must ask the unions to fund more of their own retirement. They can afford to donate big money to the Democrats but complain about they can't afford to pay more for their own retirement and health care.

(10-30-2011 11:43 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Backing issue 2 in Ohio is really important. Any Republican who doesn't fully support issue 2 and Governor Kasich has no business being a Republican. Democrats are entrenched with the labor unions. If you are against issue 2 then you are with Obama and the liberal democratic party and their labor unions. Romney had no choice, because without supporting issue 2 he was handing the nomination to Perry. The governors of Indiana, Wisconsin and Ohio are making the tough decisions that have to be done in those the states to create a competive climate for job growth and balancing budgets. Republicans and Independents in Ohio need to stand up to the Democratic party and their unions and say enough is enough. Taxpayers are taking this state back. The public service unions have to take responsibility and pay for some of their retirement and health care like the private sector does. The unions have to understand the state can't afford to pay 90% or more of those retirement benefits anymore. It must ask the unions to fund more of their own retirement. They can afford to donate big money to the Democrats but complain about they can't afford to pay more for their own retirement and health care.

OU

Indiana didn't go after their unions. Your unholy trinity above should say Wis, Ohio, and NJ. BTW, over 94% of teachers already pay over 10% of their pensions and 15% of health care premiuims. It's a bad law that's going to go down in flames. As it should.

(10-30-2011 11:43 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Backing issue 2 in Ohio is really important. Any Republican who doesn't fully support issue 2 and Governor Kasich has no business being a Republican. Democrats are entrenched with the labor unions. If you are against issue 2 then you are with Obama and the liberal democratic party and their labor unions. Romney had no choice, because without supporting issue 2 he was handing the nomination to Perry. The governors of Indiana, Wisconsin and Ohio are making the tough decisions that have to be done in those the states to create a competive climate for job growth and balancing budgets. Republicans and Independents in Ohio need to stand up to the Democratic party and their unions and say enough is enough. Taxpayers are taking this state back. The public service unions have to take responsibility and pay for some of their retirement and health care like the private sector does. The unions have to understand the state can't afford to pay 90% or more of those retirement benefits anymore. It must ask the unions to fund more of their own retirement. They can afford to donate big money to the Democrats but complain about they can't afford to pay more for their own retirement and health care.

Kasich butt buddy Bill Cunningham doesn't share your sentiment: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10...law-labor/

Agree Romney had no choice but to support Kasich on the government-union issue. It was politically necessary even though the majority of Buckeyes are opposed.

As for getting the nomination, Romney's chances just went up a bit more after Perry's debate-debacle in Michigan on Wednesday night.

(11-09-2011 11:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Agree Romney had no choice but to support Kasich on the government-union issue. It was politically necessary even though the majority of Buckeyes are opposed.

As for getting the nomination, Romney's chances just went up a bit more after Perry's debate-debacle in Michigan on Wednesday night.

Romney should have run away from Kasich as fast as he could. As I said it would, SB2 went down in flames. Additionally, recent polls show that Kasich would lose to Stickland by 20+ points if there were an election agian today, and President Obama leads Romney by 9 points in Ohio.

The GOPers blew it in Ohio.

(11-10-2011 01:36 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Romney should have run away from Kasich as fast as he could.

Whatever political problems Romney has or may have, they would be even worse if he had turned against Kasich on this particular issue at this particular moment in time. The Republicans lost this round fair and square, but if Romney had been "avoiding" the issue, it would have simply reinforced all of the negative images that exist about him.

Quote:As I said it would, SB2 went down in flames.

LOL, you have said a lot of things would happen on a lot of subjects. Some of them happened, and some of them didn't.

Quote:Additionally, recent polls show that Kasich would lose to Stickland by 20+ points if there were an election agian today

Then maybe Strickland can still file for the Governor's race of 2011/2012. Oh, wait...

Quote:The GOPers blew it in Ohio.

This time, and on this issue, yes they did.

Tomorrow is another day and 2012 is another campaign. I will predict right now that Ohio's vote for President -- relative to the rest of the country -- will be pretty much where it was in 2000-2004-2008: either right at the national average, or a point or two in the GOP's direction.

Ohio split their vote if you really want to look at it.

They went with the unions after a successul 30+million dollar campaign unions waged for it. They also voted against Obama and his individual mandate for health insurance.

Come 2012 the union issue will only be an issue for one set of people, union members. The rest will be concerned about the economy and Obama's handling of it.

If the economy still sucks come November of 2012, barring some campaign surprise, Republicans will carry the state.

(11-10-2011 01:55 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Ohio split their vote if you really want to look at it.

They went with the unions after a successul 30+million dollar campaign unions waged for it. They also voted against Obama and his individual mandate for health insurance.

Come 2012 the union issue will only be an issue for one set of people, union members. The rest will be concerned about the economy and Obama's handling of it.

If the economy still sucks come November of 2012, barring some campaign surprise, Republicans will carry the state.

I would think so.

The Dems also blew a fortune in these elections. I keep hearing about their war chests, but depleting those year after year will take a toll.

(11-09-2011 11:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Agree Romney had no choice but to support Kasich on the government-union issue. It was politically necessary even though the majority of Buckeyes are opposed.

As for getting the nomination, Romney's chances just went up a bit more after Perry's debate-debacle in Michigan on Wednesday night.

No one is going to care about this next November. IRAN and PIIGS. That along with the issues effected by them(Israel, Af-Pak, unemployment) is what next years election will be about. Union support, Dodd-Frank, Obamacare will be negligible issues to the swing voters who will determine the election next November.

(11-12-2011 03:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 11:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Agree Romney had no choice but to support Kasich on the government-union issue. It was politically necessary even though the majority of Buckeyes are opposed.

As for getting the nomination, Romney's chances just went up a bit more after Perry's debate-debacle in Michigan on Wednesday night.

No one is going to care about this next November. IRAN and PIIGS. That along with the issues effected by them(Israel, Af-Pak, unemployment) is what next years election will be about. Union support, Dodd-Frank, Obamacare will be negligible issues to the swing voters who will determine the election next November.

I disagree about Obamacare. Unless the Supreme Court declares it unconstitutional (possible but I'm not counting on it), I think ObamaCare will be a CONSTANT issue for the GOP campaign.

As for the government-union referendum thingy in Ohio, I agree no one will care about THAT a year from now, but if Romney hadn't expressed support for Kasich's position, he would have greatly damaged his chances of being the nominee. That, of course, is something that will be decided in January (and maybe February) not next November