(09-22-2011 08:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote: What kills me about these things is that people have to eat no matter what; why should I pay for their food just because they're at a meeting?
Why should I have to pay for the donuts and occasional parties your company throws? Why should I have to pay for your free cable? Why should I have to pay for your health insurance? I am sure there are more things to add to this list.
You're not, my company/stockholders are. Don't like it? Then don't buy stock or come to a shareholders meeting and *****. When we talk about government workers WE pay for everything.
It comes out of the price I pay for cable/internet. Just like you guys whine about the consumer paying the corporations taxes because it is added to the cost of the product. So tell me agan, who is paying for these?
If you don't like it, stop using their products/services. If you try to do that with gov't (stop paying taxes), you go to prison. See the difference?
Blah, blah, blah. Same **** different thread. You morons are all alike.
(09-22-2011 11:55 AM)RobertN Wrote: Why should I have to pay for the donuts and occasional parties your company throws? Why should I have to pay for your free cable? Why should I have to pay for your health insurance? I am sure there are more things to add to this list.
You're not, my company/stockholders are. Don't like it? Then don't buy stock or come to a shareholders meeting and *****. When we talk about government workers WE pay for everything.
It comes out of the price I pay for cable/internet. Just like you guys whine about the consumer paying the corporations taxes because it is added to the cost of the product. So tell me agan, who is paying for these?
If you don't like it, stop using their products/services. If you try to do that with gov't (stop paying taxes), you go to prison. See the difference?
Blah, blah, blah. Same **** different thread. You morons are all alike.
"Alike" in that we're all much, much, MUCH more intelligent and productive than you'll ever be.
(09-22-2011 08:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote: What kills me about these things is that people have to eat no matter what; why should I pay for their food just because they're at a meeting?
Why should I have to pay for the donuts and occasional parties your company throws? Why should I have to pay for your free cable? Why should I have to pay for your health insurance? I am sure there are more things to add to this list.
You're not, my company/stockholders are. Don't like it? Then don't buy stock or come to a shareholders meeting and *****. When we talk about government workers WE pay for everything.
It comes out of the price I pay for cable/internet. Just like you guys whine about the consumer paying the corporations taxes because it is added to the cost of the product. So tell me agan, who is paying for these?
Give me your address and I'll send you a check. BTW, I don't get everything free, I have to pay $26.00 for the Cable phone. And you forgot to mention the company vehicle that I use for personal business, the company office phone and cell phone I use for personal business, and the company internet which I'm currently using to type this. Yes, it is a perk of the job just like being a Playboy photogrpaher has its perks - he gets to see the naked girls for free, you have to pay.
09-22-2011 04:26 PM
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(09-22-2011 10:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: So let me get this straight.
I can go with capitalism and trust the economic future to folks who eat Subway take-away, or I can go with socialism and trust it to people who eat $16 muffins, and that's a difficult decision?
Nice Summary. Bet it was a $5 foot long, maybe even split between 2 people.
Three days after the study was release, Hilton Hotels (which hosted the conference at which the expenditure was made) clarified that the $16 charge was for a full continental breakfast plus tax. Instead of a detailed invoice, the hotel just listed the charge as "muffins."
“Dining receipts are often abbreviated and do not reflect the full pre-contracted menu and service provided,” a Hilton statement said, “as is the case with recent media reports of breakfast items approved for some government meetings. In Washington, the contracted breakfast included fresh fruit, coffee, juice, and muffins, plus tax and gratuity, for an inclusive price of $16 per person.”
(This post was last modified: 09-30-2011 03:20 PM by Redwingtom.)
(09-30-2011 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Not too surprising, but you (and that tool Bill O'Reilly) ran around with your hair on fire over another false story.
Three days after the study was release, Hilton Hotels (which hosted the conference at which the expenditure was made) clarified that the $16 charge was for a full continental breakfast plus tax. Instead of a detailed invoice, the hotel just listed the charge as "muffins."
“Dining receipts are often abbreviated and do not reflect the full pre-contracted menu and service provided,” a Hilton statement said, “as is the case with recent media reports of breakfast items approved for some government meetings. In Washington, the contracted breakfast included fresh fruit, coffee, juice, and muffins, plus tax and gratuity, for an inclusive price of $16 per person.”
That's still too ******* high even for DC.
You had a large buffet table with some plates of fruit, a pot of coffee, a pitcher of juice, and a big pile of muffins.
Been there done that, and at $16 per attendee, that's still too high.
I usually pay more for my "muffins". Even at $100 it's tough to find a quality, sanitary, nice looking, well prepared "muffin". I don't want to even think about what $16 gets you.
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(09-30-2011 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Not too surprising, but you (and that tool Bill O'Reilly) ran around with your hair on fire over another false story.
Three days after the study was release, Hilton Hotels (which hosted the conference at which the expenditure was made) clarified that the $16 charge was for a full continental breakfast plus tax. Instead of a detailed invoice, the hotel just listed the charge as "muffins."
“Dining receipts are often abbreviated and do not reflect the full pre-contracted menu and service provided,” a Hilton statement said, “as is the case with recent media reports of breakfast items approved for some government meetings. In Washington, the contracted breakfast included fresh fruit, coffee, juice, and muffins, plus tax and gratuity, for an inclusive price of $16 per person.”
I'm calling BS. Hotels have very detailed invoices. Ever stayed at one? There is no way they would list a full continental breakfast, gratuity, and tax as "Muffins" on one line of an invoice. Would you be okay if you got an invoice for a hotel stay and it listed cleaning fees, phone charges, room service, etc. as "Room?" These invoices were reviewed by independent auditors. I'm pretty sure if they had seen an invoice that just said "Muffins" and did not list tax and gratuity, they would have flagged it.
Also, what about the other conferences? You know, the ones that showed up $600K in event planning services, $32 snacks and $8.24 cups of coffee? Let me guess...it actually was a full breakfast, with a Swedish massage and a $50 gift certificate to California Pizza Kitchen, but the host just listed it as "Coffee" for simplicity's sake?
You libs will believe anything you read if it fits with your "Gov't is good and would never waste our money" narrative. I guess there is no need for future audits, because hey, we can just ask what the invoices were really for and take their word for it.
$16.00 or $6.00 it's still too much. Hilton charges $5.50 for toast along with a 16% tip plus what ever city, state and sales taxes contribute. It's F U C K I N G toast!!!!!
Plus you just have to believe the hotel won't think any of the attendees would question a bill that they don't personally have to pay for, so why not pad it a little?
09-30-2011 07:54 PM
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(09-30-2011 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Three days after the study was release, Hilton Hotels (which hosted the conference at which the expenditure was made) clarified that the $16 charge was for a full continental breakfast plus tax.]
We don't pay government workers enough that they can't afford to make their own breakfasts at home? The tax payer's coffers pay them, retire them, and pay for their healthcare as well as their families, now we have to pay for their food, too?
If you work for the government there is no recession.
(09-30-2011 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Not too surprising, but you (and that tool Bill O'Reilly) ran around with your hair on fire over another false story.
Three days after the study was release, Hilton Hotels (which hosted the conference at which the expenditure was made) clarified that the $16 charge was for a full continental breakfast plus tax. Instead of a detailed invoice, the hotel just listed the charge as "muffins."
“Dining receipts are often abbreviated and do not reflect the full pre-contracted menu and service provided,” a Hilton statement said, “as is the case with recent media reports of breakfast items approved for some government meetings. In Washington, the contracted breakfast included fresh fruit, coffee, juice, and muffins, plus tax and gratuity, for an inclusive price of $16 per person.”
The cost of the meeting space was also included in the price.
(09-30-2011 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Not too surprising, but you (and that tool Bill O'Reilly) ran around with your hair on fire over another false story.
Three days after the study was release, Hilton Hotels (which hosted the conference at which the expenditure was made) clarified that the $16 charge was for a full continental breakfast plus tax. Instead of a detailed invoice, the hotel just listed the charge as "muffins."
“Dining receipts are often abbreviated and do not reflect the full pre-contracted menu and service provided,” a Hilton statement said, “as is the case with recent media reports of breakfast items approved for some government meetings. In Washington, the contracted breakfast included fresh fruit, coffee, juice, and muffins, plus tax and gratuity, for an inclusive price of $16 per person.”
The cost of the meeting space was also included in the price.
(09-30-2011 03:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Not too surprising, but you (and that tool Bill O'Reilly) ran around with your hair on fire over another false story.
Three days after the study was release, Hilton Hotels (which hosted the conference at which the expenditure was made) clarified that the $16 charge was for a full continental breakfast plus tax. Instead of a detailed invoice, the hotel just listed the charge as "muffins."
“Dining receipts are often abbreviated and do not reflect the full pre-contracted menu and service provided,” a Hilton statement said, “as is the case with recent media reports of breakfast items approved for some government meetings. In Washington, the contracted breakfast included fresh fruit, coffee, juice, and muffins, plus tax and gratuity, for an inclusive price of $16 per person.”
The cost of the meeting space was also included in the price.
No it wasn't. $4,200 for the muffins. $39,360 was the total.
Quote:The IG's report allocates $4,200 for the muffins but also noted 15 gallons of complimentary coffee, 30 gallons of complimentary ice tea and 200 pieces of free fruit included in the overall price of $39,360.
Quote:they also got some free fruit and drinks.
As you can see, RWT is wrong also. The coffee, tea and fruit were free. Back to $16 for the muffins.
(This post was last modified: 10-01-2011 10:40 AM by Paul M.)
Quote:The IG's report allocates $4,200 for the muffins but also noted 15 gallons of complimentary coffee, 30 gallons of complimentary ice tea and 200 pieces of free fruit included in the overall price of $39,360.
So let's see, 250 muffins plus 15 gallons coffee plus 30 gallons tea plus 200 pieces of fruit, that's 495 items for $4200, or $8 per muffin or gallon of coffee or gallon of tea or piece of fruit.
Yeah, that's reasonable.
They ought to be fired. Nickel here, dime there, doesn't sound like much. But with 320,000 federal employees in the DC area, the vast majority of them doing nothing but shuffling papers, we taxpayers don't come remotely close to getting our money's worth.
(This post was last modified: 10-01-2011 11:22 AM by Owl 69/70/75.)
10-01-2011 11:22 AM
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Quote:The IG's report allocates $4,200 for the muffins but also noted 15 gallons of complimentary coffee, 30 gallons of complimentary ice tea and 200 pieces of free fruit included in the overall price of $39,360.
Quote:they also got some free fruit and drinks.
As you can see, RWT is wrong also. The coffee, tea and fruit were free. Back to $16 for the muffins.
Simpletom and PeeWee owned like school girls, again. Not surprising.
I miss Ted Poe. 
