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Quote:How will parents react when they find out they will be expected to provide workers' compensation benefits, rest and meal breaks and paid vacation time for…babysitters? Dinner and a movie night may soon become much more complicated.

Can't the "babysitter" just get away with charging a flat rate as an independent contractor?

(08-31-2011 09:54 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Can't the "babysitter" just get away with charging a flat rate as an independent contractor?

did it say that? How can you look at this and immediately think that and not WTF??

That's stupid! But, how many 18+ year olds actually do the babysitting thing anyway?

(08-31-2011 10:07 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  That's stupid! But, how many 18+ year olds actually do the babysitting thing anyway?

a lot! especially aspiring "actors" and such. A girl I work with (who's 31) has been trying for awhile to break into comedy through improv and she says many of her friends do the babysitting thing to make ends meet

(08-31-2011 11:04 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 10:07 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  That's stupid! But, how many 18+ year olds actually do the babysitting thing anyway?

a lot! especially aspiring "actors" and such. A girl I work with (who's 31) has been trying for awhile to break into comedy through improv and she says many of her friends do the babysitting thing to make ends meet

Wouldn't that be more of the Nanny deal and not just babysitting for a couple of hours?

(08-31-2011 10:00 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 09:54 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Can't the "babysitter" just get away with charging a flat rate as an independent contractor?

did it say that? How can you look at this and immediately think that and not WTF??

Because most people that babysit for a family on a Friday night are the 15 year old neighbor girl. Do I think the law is dumb? Yes. But I am all about getting around stupid laws as well.

(08-31-2011 11:17 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 10:00 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 09:54 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Can't the "babysitter" just get away with charging a flat rate as an independent contractor?

did it say that? How can you look at this and immediately think that and not WTF??

Because most people that babysit for a family on a Friday night are the 15 year old neighbor girl. Do I think the law is dumb? Yes. But I am all about getting around stupid laws as well.

I'm all about not passing stupid laws..

(08-31-2011 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:17 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 10:00 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 09:54 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Can't the "babysitter" just get away with charging a flat rate as an independent contractor?

did it say that? How can you look at this and immediately think that and not WTF??

Because most people that babysit for a family on a Friday night are the 15 year old neighbor girl. Do I think the law is dumb? Yes. But I am all about getting around stupid laws as well.

I'm all about not passing stupid laws..

I'm not sure the idea behind the law is stupid; however, the execution is just idiotic. It's a broad brush approach when a sharpened pencil would have worked better.

(08-31-2011 11:42 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:17 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 10:00 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 09:54 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Can't the "babysitter" just get away with charging a flat rate as an independent contractor?

did it say that? How can you look at this and immediately think that and not WTF??

Because most people that babysit for a family on a Friday night are the 15 year old neighbor girl. Do I think the law is dumb? Yes. But I am all about getting around stupid laws as well.

I'm all about not passing stupid laws..

I'm not sure the idea behind the law is stupid; however, the execution is just idiotic. It's a broad brush approach when a sharpened pencil would have worked better.

What part, in your opinion, isn't stupid? I'm only asking...

Coyote thinks it's a great idea. Surpise opinion:

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/20...-this.html

(08-31-2011 11:43 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:42 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:19 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:17 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 10:00 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  did it say that? How can you look at this and immediately think that and not WTF??

Because most people that babysit for a family on a Friday night are the 15 year old neighbor girl. Do I think the law is dumb? Yes. But I am all about getting around stupid laws as well.

I'm all about not passing stupid laws..

I'm not sure the idea behind the law is stupid; however, the execution is just idiotic. It's a broad brush approach when a sharpened pencil would have worked better.

What part, in your opinion, isn't stupid? I'm only asking...

It looks like the point of the bill is to make sure that domestic help (maids, nannies, etc.) get the propper breaks and coverage that is afforded to all regular employees in the work force. I imagine Arnie's maide needed to some time to collect herself after getting the business from her boss.

Of course instead of lasering in on the actual issue, California leaves the door wide open to be able to make everyone's life miserable.

California nutty. Parents won't lose money. The $15 an hour gig, just got cut to minimum wage.

(08-31-2011 11:10 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:04 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 10:07 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  That's stupid! But, how many 18+ year olds actually do the babysitting thing anyway?

a lot! especially aspiring "actors" and such. A girl I work with (who's 31) has been trying for awhile to break into comedy through improv and she says many of her friends do the babysitting thing to make ends meet

Wouldn't that be more of the Nanny deal and not just babysitting for a couple of hours?

Doesn't matter. What are the kids supposed to do while the Nanny is "on break"??

(08-31-2011 01:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:10 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 11:04 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 10:07 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  That's stupid! But, how many 18+ year olds actually do the babysitting thing anyway?

a lot! especially aspiring "actors" and such. A girl I work with (who's 31) has been trying for awhile to break into comedy through improv and she says many of her friends do the babysitting thing to make ends meet

Wouldn't that be more of the Nanny deal and not just babysitting for a couple of hours?

Doesn't matter. What are the kids supposed to do while the Nanny is "on break"??

Play in the liquor cabinet, or drink Benadryl.

Another democratic job killing bill.

Will the last sane person to leave California please lock the door.

(08-31-2011 12:49 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  California nutty. Parents won't lose money. The $15 an hour gig, just got cut to minimum wage.

No kidding - I'd LOVE to pay $8/hr for babysitting. Hell, at that rate I'd hire a full time nanny. Oh, wait...

I've got to believe that this isn't going to amount to much. From personal experience, I can vouch that a HIGH number of domestic employees in CA are undocumented immigrants. Very few if any of them are willing to take an action that will shine a spotlight on their status.

My guess is that most folks, like myself, will defend continuing with the status quo by referring to the relationship as an independent contract. I'm not an employer; I'm a client.

(09-01-2011 12:27 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(08-31-2011 12:49 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  California nutty. Parents won't lose money. The $15 an hour gig, just got cut to minimum wage.

No kidding - I'd LOVE to pay $8/hr for babysitting. Hell, at that rate I'd hire a full time nanny. Oh, wait...

I've got to believe that this isn't going to amount to much. From personal experience, I can vouch that a HIGH number of domestic employees in CA are undocumented immigrants. Very few if any of them are willing to take an action that will shine a spotlight on their status.

My guess is that most folks, like myself, will defend continuing with the status quo by referring to the relationship as an independent contract. I'm not an employer; I'm a client.

Any attempt to bring these people out of the shadow economy is not going to succeed. People should realize what a huge drag on the tax structure any shadow economy is, drugs, construction, domestic services you name it, it thrives because it IS NOT TAXED. Which should be a lesson in economics for the Obabba administration.

Honestly, this bill is nothing more than Cali trying to "Help" the illegals by making sure they have plenty of break time. Liberals are just stupid about this sort of stuff.

I admit I'm a bit fuzzy in what some of the federal laws state in this area, but the idea of having to report injuries to OSHA for an independent contractor does seem a bit nebulous. The IRS also only requires 1099s for contractors receiving at least $600 in payment in a calendar year. Like the immigration law debates in Arizona and Alabama, this may be a case of states trying to "over enforce" federal law.