http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ms-retreat

If something like this goes through, it would rip through the non-BCS conferences. If it's up to the conference, and not the individual school, to control what you can give out in terms of a scholarship you'll see two factions form in each non-BCS conference. I'm sure some MAC presidents are vehemently against adding cost--of-attendence, while others will want to spend it to remain competitive. The same will happen amongst presidents of other conferences.

I hope that the MAC doesn't set itself back by refusing to take full advantage of the relaxed rules, like they did when they capped scholarships below the old limit of 105.

Honestly, it shouldn't be up to the conference, but the individual school. If you're willing to spend to get better recruits, why should your conference tell you that you can't? And if you don't want to spend more, why should your conference tell that you have to?

Does anyone know if this is for FB only? This would have to apply for every grant given for all sports, and be gender neutral or the courts will be running the entire show.

(08-10-2011 12:45 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  Does anyone know if this is for FB only? This would have to apply for every grant given for all sports, and be gender neutral or the courts will be running the entire show.

I would hope the NCAA and the MAC would leave it up to the individual institution, while not dictating that all athletes receive the upgrade in scholarship. Gender equity would of course be enforced, so football+mens basketball, along with ladies bball and softball... You'de be looking at less than 200 student athletes, at 4k each per year that's $800,000. A full 500 student athletes is more like 2 mil...

I say let them determine the cost of attendance and give the student that amount of money (let's say $25K)

From that $25K, the student has to pay -

1. Tuition (must enroll as a full-time student)
2. Room (live on-campus, off-campus or in a van down by the river)
3. Board (if they wish to eat; raman noodles, peanut butter and jelly, McDonalds, it doesn't matter)
4. Books (if they wish to purchase them)
5. Uniform (these are expensive so the players can buy their own)
6. Medical (players are responsible for paying their own medical bills if injured)
7. Tutoring (we no longer provide special academic assistance for athletes; they can use what the rest of the student body uses)
8. Rec Center fee (we no longer have the special facility for the athletes because we do not want to take advantage of them)
9. The university is no longer eligible to provide the student with athletic apparel (as they are allowed to do under current NCAA rules up to an amount of just under $600)


I bet you find that the student-athlete today gets MORE than the "cost-of-attendance" figure provided to them already.

The athletic programs take advantage of the players? Well, remember that is a TWO-WAY street.

Terrell Pryor stated when he signed his LOI to attend "The University of Ohio State" that they were the best program "for me to get to the next level".

I think Terrell Pryor used Ohio State because he just as easily could have gone to Mount Union or John Carroll to play football. He did not have to go to the pressure cooker known as Ohio State and play football. He would have been very productive at Mount Union (maybe even won a National Championship or two).

These players choose to "use" these colleges and universities in an attempt to be able to play at the next level. The football workout facility at Mount Union compared to the Woody Hayes Center at OSU? No comparison.

Every student-athlete at OSU is provided a parking permit by the athletic department. BGSU, students and student-athletes will pay $100 total for the fall and spring semesters. Many of you are fans at schools where your students will pay way more. An OSU student-athlete will not pay a penny.

How much money does a football uniform cost? Helmet, pads, cleats, pants, jersey? How much do FBS student-athletes pay for their jerseys today?

Injured? How much does it cost to have a doctor look at you? Read an x-ray? Who pays for that right now if a player is injured?

And yet these players complain about how the program is making all of the money and they don't get anything.

How much do books cost each semester? How about USED books?

How are you getting from school A to school B? Airplane? Bus? Van? Nice flying from Columbus to Ann Arbor isn't it? Or from Bloomington to Happy Valley? Let's have the USC team travel by bus to play at Oregon.

Sorry, but I do not see where the problem is. If a student-athlete wants extra money, all he/she needs to do is complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid. If these student-athletes truly are the kids from the poor areas of town, then they will qualify for a Pell Grant, otherwise let them take a student loan and they can easily pay it back when they hit the big time and make that multi-million dollar signing bonus.

(08-10-2011 06:29 PM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote:  I say let them determine the cost of attendance and give the student that amount of money (let's say $25K)

From that $25K, the student has to pay -

1. Tuition (must enroll as a full-time student)
2. Room (live on-campus, off-campus or in a van down by the river)
3. Board (if they wish to eat; raman noodles, peanut butter and jelly, McDonalds, it doesn't matter)
4. Books (if they wish to purchase them)
5. Uniform (these are expensive so the players can buy their own)
6. Medical (players are responsible for paying their own medical bills if injured)
7. Tutoring (we no longer provide special academic assistance for athletes; they can use what the rest of the student body uses)
8. Rec Center fee (we no longer have the special facility for the athletes because we do not want to take advantage of them)
9. The university is no longer eligible to provide the student with athletic apparel (as they are allowed to do under current NCAA rules up to an amount of just under $600)


I bet you find that the student-athlete today gets MORE than the "cost-of-attendance" figure provided to them already.

The athletic programs take advantage of the players? Well, remember that is a TWO-WAY street.

Terrell Pryor stated when he signed his LOI to attend "The University of Ohio State" that they were the best program "for me to get to the next level".

I think Terrell Pryor used Ohio State because he just as easily could have gone to Mount Union or John Carroll to play football. He did not have to go to the pressure cooker known as Ohio State and play football. He would have been very productive at Mount Union (maybe even won a National Championship or two).

These players choose to "use" these colleges and universities in an attempt to be able to play at the next level. The football workout facility at Mount Union compared to the Woody Hayes Center at OSU? No comparison.

Every student-athlete at OSU is provided a parking permit by the athletic department. BGSU, students and student-athletes will pay $100 total for the fall and spring semesters. Many of you are fans at schools where your students will pay way more. An OSU student-athlete will not pay a penny.

How much money does a football uniform cost? Helmet, pads, cleats, pants, jersey? How much do FBS student-athletes pay for their jerseys today?

Injured? How much does it cost to have a doctor look at you? Read an x-ray? Who pays for that right now if a player is injured?

And yet these players complain about how the program is making all of the money and they don't get anything.

How much do books cost each semester? How about USED books?

How are you getting from school A to school B? Airplane? Bus? Van? Nice flying from Columbus to Ann Arbor isn't it? Or from Bloomington to Happy Valley? Let's have the USC team travel by bus to play at Oregon.

Sorry, but I do not see where the problem is. If a student-athlete wants extra money, all he/she needs to do is complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid. If these student-athletes truly are the kids from the poor areas of town, then they will qualify for a Pell Grant, otherwise let them take a student loan and they can easily pay it back when they hit the big time and make that multi-million dollar signing bonus.

I agree with you. STUDENT-athletes should not get any extra money. They have housing paid for, they have food paid for, they have books paid for, what else do they need money for - their drugs and alcohol? If they are given more money I bet their will be more trouble. I agree with you - if they really do NEED money, take out a loan like all other student and I bet their loan will be a lot less than most normal students. STUDENT-athletes are already given so much (preferred dorms, preferred schedules, free living, free food, free books, free clothes).

(08-10-2011 07:52 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(08-10-2011 06:29 PM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote:  I say let them determine the cost of attendance and give the student that amount of money (let's say $25K)

From that $25K, the student has to pay -

1. Tuition (must enroll as a full-time student)
2. Room (live on-campus, off-campus or in a van down by the river)
3. Board (if they wish to eat; raman noodles, peanut butter and jelly, McDonalds, it doesn't matter)
4. Books (if they wish to purchase them)
5. Uniform (these are expensive so the players can buy their own)
6. Medical (players are responsible for paying their own medical bills if injured)
7. Tutoring (we no longer provide special academic assistance for athletes; they can use what the rest of the student body uses)
8. Rec Center fee (we no longer have the special facility for the athletes because we do not want to take advantage of them)
9. The university is no longer eligible to provide the student with athletic apparel (as they are allowed to do under current NCAA rules up to an amount of just under $600)


I bet you find that the student-athlete today gets MORE than the "cost-of-attendance" figure provided to them already.

The athletic programs take advantage of the players? Well, remember that is a TWO-WAY street.

Terrell Pryor stated when he signed his LOI to attend "The University of Ohio State" that they were the best program "for me to get to the next level".

I think Terrell Pryor used Ohio State because he just as easily could have gone to Mount Union or John Carroll to play football. He did not have to go to the pressure cooker known as Ohio State and play football. He would have been very productive at Mount Union (maybe even won a National Championship or two).

These players choose to "use" these colleges and universities in an attempt to be able to play at the next level. The football workout facility at Mount Union compared to the Woody Hayes Center at OSU? No comparison.

Every student-athlete at OSU is provided a parking permit by the athletic department. BGSU, students and student-athletes will pay $100 total for the fall and spring semesters. Many of you are fans at schools where your students will pay way more. An OSU student-athlete will not pay a penny.

How much money does a football uniform cost? Helmet, pads, cleats, pants, jersey? How much do FBS student-athletes pay for their jerseys today?

Injured? How much does it cost to have a doctor look at you? Read an x-ray? Who pays for that right now if a player is injured?

And yet these players complain about how the program is making all of the money and they don't get anything.

How much do books cost each semester? How about USED books?

How are you getting from school A to school B? Airplane? Bus? Van? Nice flying from Columbus to Ann Arbor isn't it? Or from Bloomington to Happy Valley? Let's have the USC team travel by bus to play at Oregon.

Sorry, but I do not see where the problem is. If a student-athlete wants extra money, all he/she needs to do is complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid. If these student-athletes truly are the kids from the poor areas of town, then they will qualify for a Pell Grant, otherwise let them take a student loan and they can easily pay it back when they hit the big time and make that multi-million dollar signing bonus.

I agree with you. STUDENT-athletes should not get any extra money. They have housing paid for, they have food paid for, they have books paid for, what else do they need money for - their drugs and alcohol? If they are given more money I bet their will be more trouble. I agree with you - if they really do NEED money, take out a loan like all other student and I bet their loan will be a lot less than most normal students. STUDENT-athletes are already given so much (preferred dorms, preferred schedules, free living, free food, free books, free clothes).

Exactly MBG, they get everything paid for except spending cash for whatever they wanna do for fun or whatever. take out a $2000 loan each year, say ur there for 5 years, you graduate with $10,000 debt and a college degree.
you are in a much better position than 80% of the other students that have way more debt than that.

Really? They have to pay for medical bills? That's terrible. I mean, if you want a lot of players to quit because they got hurt and can't pay for treatment, knock yourself out.

And jerseys cost virtually nothing, as schools have apparel deals.

(08-11-2011 07:22 AM)OZoner Wrote:  Really? They have to pay for medical bills? That's terrible. I mean, if you want a lot of players to quit because they got hurt and can't pay for treatment, knock yourself out.

And jerseys cost virtually nothing, as schools have apparel deals.

They don't have to pay for these items currently. Think about how much they receive in medical care right now (these poor mistreated, doing-all-of-the-work-and-getting-nothing-in-return-exploited-young-kids).

And while the jerseys may be cheap now, they should also have to pay for their helmets, cleats, pads, pants, socks, etc....

Maybe they should also have to cough up money for the salary of the SID who sends out the news releases to the hometown newspapers, puts the players up for conference awards, etc...

There is absolutely no need to pay players. Let them go to the minor leagues if they're not interested in getting their degree. Basketball players have the NBDL, football players could go the UFL or Arena Football League route (is CFL an option or is there an age requirement), baseball players have the minors. So they do not need to be exploited if they do not want to be exploited. AND they can get PAID by taking the minor league route.

(08-10-2011 06:29 PM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote:  I say let them determine the cost of attendance and give the student that amount of money (let's say $25K)

From that $25K, the student has to pay -

1. Tuition (must enroll as a full-time student)
2. Room (live on-campus, off-campus or in a van down by the river)
3. Board (if they wish to eat; raman noodles, peanut butter and jelly, McDonalds, it doesn't matter)
4. Books (if they wish to purchase them)
5. Uniform (these are expensive so the players can buy their own)
6. Medical (players are responsible for paying their own medical bills if injured)
7. Tutoring (we no longer provide special academic assistance for athletes; they can use what the rest of the student body uses)
8. Rec Center fee (we no longer have the special facility for the athletes because we do not want to take advantage of them)
9. The university is no longer eligible to provide the student with athletic apparel (as they are allowed to do under current NCAA rules up to an amount of just under $600)


I bet you find that the student-athlete today gets MORE than the "cost-of-attendance" figure provided to them already.

The athletic programs take advantage of the players? Well, remember that is a TWO-WAY street.

Terrell Pryor stated when he signed his LOI to attend "The University of Ohio State" that they were the best program "for me to get to the next level".

I think Terrell Pryor used Ohio State because he just as easily could have gone to Mount Union or John Carroll to play football. He did not have to go to the pressure cooker known as Ohio State and play football. He would have been very productive at Mount Union (maybe even won a National Championship or two).

These players choose to "use" these colleges and universities in an attempt to be able to play at the next level. The football workout facility at Mount Union compared to the Woody Hayes Center at OSU? No comparison.

Every student-athlete at OSU is provided a parking permit by the athletic department. BGSU, students and student-athletes will pay $100 total for the fall and spring semesters. Many of you are fans at schools where your students will pay way more. An OSU student-athlete will not pay a penny.

How much money does a football uniform cost? Helmet, pads, cleats, pants, jersey? How much do FBS student-athletes pay for their jerseys today?

Injured? How much does it cost to have a doctor look at you? Read an x-ray? Who pays for that right now if a player is injured?

And yet these players complain about how the program is making all of the money and they don't get anything.

How much do books cost each semester? How about USED books?

How are you getting from school A to school B? Airplane? Bus? Van? Nice flying from Columbus to Ann Arbor isn't it? Or from Bloomington to Happy Valley? Let's have the USC team travel by bus to play at Oregon.

Sorry, but I do not see where the problem is. If a student-athlete wants extra money, all he/she needs to do is complete the Free Application for Federal Student Aid. If these student-athletes truly are the kids from the poor areas of town, then they will qualify for a Pell Grant, otherwise let them take a student loan and they can easily pay it back when they hit the big time and make that multi-million dollar signing bonus.

Isn't the NCAA talking aboiut 3k-5k per student-athlete?

(08-11-2011 08:39 AM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote:  

(08-11-2011 07:22 AM)OZoner Wrote:  Really? They have to pay for medical bills? That's terrible. I mean, if you want a lot of players to quit because they got hurt and can't pay for treatment, knock yourself out.

And jerseys cost virtually nothing, as schools have apparel deals.

They don't have to pay for these items currently. Think about how much they receive in medical care right now (these poor mistreated, doing-all-of-the-work-and-getting-nothing-in-return-exploited-young-kids).

And how do you deny worker's comp legally? If I get hurt at work, my employer pays the bills.