(07-23-2011 09:40 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:19 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 07:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  It seems to me that Democrats have lacked the ability to govern for a long time, even when they controlled all 3 branches of government. It also seems to me that the WhiteHouse has lacked the ability to lead from jump.

Who thinks different, not the average John Q.

The frustration of giving the Democrats total control and the seeing them get b!tch slapped at every turn was intense. They can govern (find consensus) but they have no ability to lead. Thank God for Nancy Pelosi or they would have done nothing. Pelosi like her or hate her was an effective leader and she also had a maverick faction called the "Bluedogs" but she delivered on a healthcare bill that was so demonized by the time of the vote it was political suicide for many. Unlike Boehner who really wants to put this debt ceiling deal behind us but his Tea Party freshmen refuse to play ball.

Pelosi accepted the Senate HC Bill and pushed it through using parliamentary procedure. "Deemed passed" IT WAS A despicable act. The "you have to pass the bill to see what's in it " shows just how much of a flake she was and is. Where were you when this was going on ....Mars maybe, had to be some other planet. Your depiction is completely wrong, no surprise there.

Pelosi is a B!tch, pis$ on her.

On November 7 2009 the Bill passed 220 to 215 with one Republican and 39 defecting "Bluedog" Democrats voting no. I watched the proceedings with my own eyes. I guess your version is how Rush reported the story

(07-23-2011 09:58 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 09:40 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 08:19 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 07:39 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  It seems to me that Democrats have lacked the ability to govern for a long time, even when they controlled all 3 branches of government. It also seems to me that the WhiteHouse has lacked the ability to lead from jump.

Who thinks different, not the average John Q.

The frustration of giving the Democrats total control and the seeing them get b!tch slapped at every turn was intense. They can govern (find consensus) but they have no ability to lead. Thank God for Nancy Pelosi or they would have done nothing. Pelosi like her or hate her was an effective leader and she also had a maverick faction called the "Bluedogs" but she delivered on a healthcare bill that was so demonized by the time of the vote it was political suicide for many. Unlike Boehner who really wants to put this debt ceiling deal behind us but his Tea Party freshmen refuse to play ball.

Pelosi accepted the Senate HC Bill and pushed it through using parliamentary procedure. "Deemed passed" IT WAS A despicable act. The "you have to pass the bill to see what's in it " shows just how much of a flake she was and is. Where were you when this was going on ....Mars maybe, had to be some other planet. Your depiction is completely wrong, no surprise there.

Pelosi is a B!tch, pis$ on her.

On November 7 2009 the Bill passed 220 to 215 with one Republican and 39 defecting "Bluedog" Democrats voting no. I watched the proceedings with my own eyes. I guess your version is how Rush reported the story

That was not the bill that became law. The Senate passed it on December 24, 2009, the House passed it on March 21, 2010, and President Obama signed it into law on March 23, 2010. It was the senate bill, deemed passed by the house. Remember the slaughter resolution.

Were you comatose? You were weren't you.

I remember the GOP feining outrage over deem and pass even though they themselves used it 35 times in 2005-2006 alone.

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:26 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  You DO realize that "$1 trillion in revenues" comes out of yours and mine's pockets.

In this crappy economy we're in, how does anyone think that it is a GOOD thing to take money out of the citizenry's pockets?

You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

Because something tells you that the last two years of Obama are going to be better than the first two? You're crazy.

Also, when you resort to attacking something as unrelated to the topic as the school someone attended, you lose all the punching power behind your comment.

(07-23-2011 10:43 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:26 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  You DO realize that "$1 trillion in revenues" comes out of yours and mine's pockets.

In this crappy economy we're in, how does anyone think that it is a GOOD thing to take money out of the citizenry's pockets?

You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

Because something tells you that the last two years of Obama are going to be better than the first two? You're crazy.

Also, when you resort to attacking something as unrelated to the topic as the school someone attended, you lose all the punching power behind your comment.

That is what you get when you have no real argument...personal attacks. Typical ploy here by the Marxists.

(07-23-2011 10:23 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I remember the GOP feining outrage over deem and pass even though they themselves used it 35 times in 2005-2006 alone.

What the fu'ck of it. Did GOP take over 20% of the economy using it, jackwagon? You are just spouting sh!t because you realize that the bill passed by the house was not the bill signed by Obabba. Changing the narrative doesn't make anyone believe you were lass than comatose through it.

<b'itch slap>

This is a situation where I blame partisanship for the lack of a real deal.

(07-23-2011 10:43 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:26 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  You DO realize that "$1 trillion in revenues" comes out of yours and mine's pockets.

In this crappy economy we're in, how does anyone think that it is a GOOD thing to take money out of the citizenry's pockets?

You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

Because something tells you that the last two years of Obama are going to be better than the first two? You're crazy.

Also, when you resort to attacking something as unrelated to the topic as the school someone attended, you lose all the punching power behind your comment.

Yes, it will be better. You're just hoping it won't be because you put politics over Americans.

(07-23-2011 12:58 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  You're just hoping it won't be because you put politics over Americans.

If Obama can take this chickensh!t and make chicken salad, I'll buy him the adult libation of his choice.

You're right Obama burned the bridges and the Republicans.

Barry the Sanctimonious

(07-23-2011 12:58 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 10:43 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:26 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  You DO realize that "$1 trillion in revenues" comes out of yours and mine's pockets.

In this crappy economy we're in, how does anyone think that it is a GOOD thing to take money out of the citizenry's pockets?

You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

Because something tells you that the last two years of Obama are going to be better than the first two? You're crazy.

Also, when you resort to attacking something as unrelated to the topic as the school someone attended, you lose all the punching power behind your comment.

Yes, it will be better. You're just hoping it won't be because you put politics over Americans.

He damn sure is doing one hell of a job making things better.

(07-23-2011 12:58 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Yes, it will be better. You're just hoping it won't be because you put politics over Americans.

I said that? Please show me where.

(07-23-2011 11:47 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 10:23 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I remember the GOP feining outrage over deem and pass even though they themselves used it 35 times in 2005-2006 alone.

What the fu'ck of it. Did GOP take over 20% of the economy using it, jackwagon? You are just spouting sh!t because you realize that the bill passed by the house was not the bill signed by Obabba. Changing the narrative doesn't make anyone believe you were lass than comatose through it.

<b'itch slap>

Wait. Obama took over 20% of the economy using it? How so?

(07-23-2011 01:21 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  You're right Obama burned the bridges and the Republicans.

Barry the Sanctimonious

Why is it you nutjobs can't think for yourselves and have to resort to others for your thinking?

Btw, that guy scares the hell out of me. He is a mean looking SOB.

(07-23-2011 01:56 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 01:21 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  You're right Obama burned the bridges and the Republicans.

Barry the Sanctimonious

Why is it you nutjobs can't think for yourselves and have to resort to others for your thinking?

Btw, that guy scares the hell out of me. He is a mean looking SOB.

Your scared of everything, doesn't surprise me your afraid of a paralyzed man also.

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

So, you were there in the room? What tax increases are you talking about? You got any links to anything that is not hearsay and/or speculation?

EVERYTHING negative that Obama and his minions want to shove down our throats is ALWAYS designed to kick in after he is safely out of office. Wonder why that is? It couldn't have a political motive, right? Just like Reagan was promised spending cuts that never materialized, this is smoke and mirrors negotiating. With no written plan, it is easy to make all kinds of statements later about what was offered.

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:26 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  You DO realize that "$1 trillion in revenues" comes out of yours and mine's pockets.

In this crappy economy we're in, how does anyone think that it is a GOOD thing to take money out of the citizenry's pockets?

You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

Tax increases that don't take effect for two years? What's the urgency to get them included in the debt ceiling deal other than to make the Republicans look bad? Spending cuts that don't take effect for at least two years but make it look like democrats are cutting spending so they look good. If none of this crap isn't going to take effect immediately then it sure seems the McConnell plan, no cuts and Obama can raise the debt ceiling is they way to go. The debt ceiling will have to go up regardless of what plan is pased because NO plan balances the budget for at least 5 years. Any deal that would be made with president Barry and dingy Harry would not be a good one so Republicans should wait till they sweep the 2012 elections and a Republican is in the White House.

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:26 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  You DO realize that "$1 trillion in revenues" comes out of yours and mine's pockets.

In this crappy economy we're in, how does anyone think that it is a GOOD thing to take money out of the citizenry's pockets?

You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

Sit down and watch this, boy.

(07-23-2011 04:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:34 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 12:26 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  You DO realize that "$1 trillion in revenues" comes out of yours and mine's pockets.

In this crappy economy we're in, how does anyone think that it is a GOOD thing to take money out of the citizenry's pockets?

You do realize that the tax increases being talked about weren't going to kick in for two years to give the economy more time to recover? Of course you didn't. That would require some reading and thinking on your part. They sure as hell don't teach that at MTSU.

Sit down and watch this, boy.

Nothing biased there.

(07-22-2011 07:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The President took over a half-hour of questions from reporters and thoroughly stomped a mudhole in the GOP for their inability to accept a very good deal. Boehner, on the other hand, took about ten minutes of questions and then bolted for the door. The President offers $3 trillion in cuts in exchange for $1 trillion in revenues (75/25 split), and he still got a no from the GOPers. What we're about to see is a civil war in the GOP between people who have functioning brains and the TeaKlanners. David Brooks nailed it perfectly - the GOP is no longer a normal party and lacks the ability to govern.

When Obama or the Democrats has their bill defeated, then they can talk. Till then it's just hot air. Put it in writing and vote on it. Otherwise, shut up.