Quote:DES MOINES, Iowa -- Republican establishment types in the nation's first voting state quietly refer to it as The Doomsday Scenario. And it goes something like this:

On a scorching, triple-digit Saturday in central Iowa next month, many of the casually attuned GOP caucus-goers who had planned to attend the Ames Straw Poll instead decide to stay home or make a beeline for the nearest air-conditioned movie theater.

Meanwhile, throngs of the famously devoted supporters of Texas Rep. Ron Paul wipe the sweat off their brows without batting an eye and descend on the campus of Iowa State University to propel the libertarian-leaning icon to yet another straw-poll victory -- but one that might actually be significant for once.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...10674.html

(07-22-2011 10:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

Quote:DES MOINES, Iowa -- Republican establishment types in the nation's first voting state quietly refer to it as The Doomsday Scenario. And it goes something like this:

On a scorching, triple-digit Saturday in central Iowa next month, many of the casually attuned GOP caucus-goers who had planned to attend the Ames Straw Poll instead decide to stay home or make a beeline for the nearest air-conditioned movie theater.

Meanwhile, throngs of the famously devoted supporters of Texas Rep. Ron Paul wipe the sweat off their brows without batting an eye and descend on the campus of Iowa State University to propel the libertarian-leaning icon to yet another straw-poll victory -- but one that might actually be significant for once.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...10674.html

Ron Paul is not going to win the republican primary, even if he carried 90% of the Caucus vote in Iowa.

(07-22-2011 11:25 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Ron Paul is not going to win the republican primary, even if he carried 90% of the Caucus vote in Iowa.

Primarily because our bought and paid for media will herd the sheeple where ever their corporate masters deem most beneficial.

(07-22-2011 11:32 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 11:25 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Ron Paul is not going to win the republican primary, even if he carried 90% of the Caucus vote in Iowa.

Primarily because our bought and paid for media will herd the sheeple where ever their corporate masters deem most beneficial.

While I agree to an extent, I don't think that's the primary reason. There are many republican voters, myself included, that have issues with Paul's stance on things, enough so to not want him to be the nominee.

And from my point of view, the media would love for Paul to be the nominee. Great copy, great quotes, and no chance in he!! of winning.

(07-22-2011 11:32 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 11:25 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Ron Paul is not going to win the republican primary, even if he carried 90% of the Caucus vote in Iowa.

Primarily because our bought and paid for media will herd the sheeple where ever their corporate masters deem most beneficial.

(07-22-2011 11:32 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 11:25 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Ron Paul is not going to win the republican primary, even if he carried 90% of the Caucus vote in Iowa.

Primarily because our bought and paid for media will herd the sheeple where ever their corporate masters deem most beneficial.

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/arc...rters.html

Dr Mercury has a whole series with this theme. Pretty funny. And if you don't read Maggie's Farm...you should.

One thing I am assured of more than anything is that a number of Ron Paul supporters are going to unwittingly torpedo any chances Ron Paul may have had to get the GOP nomination. That 15 min campaign film in the other thread will damage Paul. It is chalked full of half truths and inaccuracies from far left leaning progressives who loath the military. Linking Ron Paul to such hardcore lefties will kill his chances. That's too bad, because I sympathize with Ron Paul.

(07-22-2011 11:43 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  And from my point of view, the media would love for Paul to be the nominee. Great copy, great quotes, and no chance in he!! of winning.

Disagree huge. He'd seriously jeopardize their unholy marriage to the government teet, and their "regulations" to "deal with competitors". And Paul would be the biggest boondoggle to increasing the GOP ranks since Reagan had the benefit of running against Carter. He has serious and deep appeal with independents, Libertarian Party people, Constitution Party people, blue dogs, and the anti-war left. Paul already outperforms all GOP candidates by a substantial margin with independents.

(07-22-2011 01:46 PM)miko33 Wrote:  One thing I am assured of more than anything is that a number of Ron Paul supporters are going to unwittingly torpedo any chances Ron Paul may have had to get the GOP nomination. That 15 min campaign film in the other thread will damage Paul. It is chalked full of half truths and inaccuracies from far left leaning progressives who loath the military. Linking Ron Paul to such hardcore lefties will kill his chances. That's too bad, because I sympathize with Ron Paul.

Again, it's meant for the anti-war left. (In fact, it was created by the new so-called "Blue Republicans" ... anti-war Democrats who are registering Republican to vote for Paul in the primary this year.) And since it's from the grassroots, Paul can write it off if it ever gains mainstream attention ... which it won't, because it's not from the campaign. Wins all 'round.

If Paul wins the GOP primary, I will vote for Paul. This is where these early polling idiots are screwing up. Of course a poll will show Obama ahead of one particular candidate. It's still primary season and people have loyalties to their particular favorite. Once the primary season ends, people will be lining up behind ANY Republican because it'll essentially be the Republican against Obama and the current economic environment.

I don't want another McCain to run for president, I want someone who has a chance. While Paul has good ideas, he has no chance at beating Obama. For one thing, Obama will promise to give people stuff while Paul tells people they need to be more frugal and accountable - no one turns down free stuff or wants to be frugal and accountable.

(07-22-2011 03:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I don't want another McCain to run for president, I want someone who has a chance. While Paul has good ideas, he has no chance at beating Obama. For one thing, Obama will promise to give people stuff while Paul tells people they need to be more frugal and accountable - no one turns down free stuff or wants to be frugal and accountable.

None of the other candidates have a chance. They're all too generic, w/ no credibility.

IMO Paul is the only one who differentiates himself, and thus he does have a chance.

(07-22-2011 03:56 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 03:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I don't want another McCain to run for president, I want someone who has a chance. While Paul has good ideas, he has no chance at beating Obama. For one thing, Obama will promise to give people stuff while Paul tells people they need to be more frugal and accountable - no one turns down free stuff or wants to be frugal and accountable.

None of the other candidates have a chance. They're all too generic, w/ no credibility.

IMO Paul is the only one who differentiates himself, and thus he does have a chance.

Will he attract the independents that voted for Obama last time around?

Paul is the only one that I actually KNOW where he stands, and can easily predict where he'll stand on an issue.

Everyone else is a crap shoot.

(07-22-2011 05:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 03:56 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 03:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I don't want another McCain to run for president, I want someone who has a chance. While Paul has good ideas, he has no chance at beating Obama. For one thing, Obama will promise to give people stuff while Paul tells people they need to be more frugal and accountable - no one turns down free stuff or wants to be frugal and accountable.

None of the other candidates have a chance. They're all too generic, w/ no credibility.

IMO Paul is the only one who differentiates himself, and thus he does have a chance.

Will he attract the independents that voted for Obama last time around?

I know of two in my county.

It would be awesome if Paul won the Straw Poll. Lots of high-value entertainment would follow.

(07-22-2011 05:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 03:56 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 03:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I don't want another McCain to run for president, I want someone who has a chance. While Paul has good ideas, he has no chance at beating Obama. For one thing, Obama will promise to give people stuff while Paul tells people they need to be more frugal and accountable - no one turns down free stuff or wants to be frugal and accountable.

None of the other candidates have a chance. They're all too generic, w/ no credibility.

IMO Paul is the only one who differentiates himself, and thus he does have a chance.

Will he attract the independents that voted for Obama last time around?

THAT is the question. It is the question that the GOP must address if it want the White House. It FAILED the last time with Palin. I can tell you now that she cost JM 4 votes in my immediate family. The GOP must put forth a ticket that can appeal to independent classical liberals. THAT is the ticket to winning.

I believe RP is giving the GOP the recipe for winning....Put the troops on the fastest mode of transport available..home and draw down useless and irrelevant military assets worldwide.

(07-22-2011 08:28 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It would be awesome if Paul won the Straw Poll. Lots of high-value entertainment would follow.

....because you want to see Obama re-elected. ....because...again, you're a f'n moron. I do NOT think it would work out the way you think it would, though.

BTW, how's Obama's pecker taste?

(07-22-2011 09:51 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 08:28 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  It would be awesome if Paul won the Straw Poll. Lots of high-value entertainment would follow.

....because you want to see Obama re-elected. ....because...again, you're a f'n moron. I do NOT think it would work out the way you think it would, though.

BTW, how's Obama's pecker taste?

Yeah, I can see that, GRAD being into ass to mouth.

(07-22-2011 05:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Will he attract the independents that voted for Obama last time around?

*Absolutely*. Paul has deep crossover appeal to independents, youth, progressives (even Nader and Jon Stewart love Ron Paul), blue dogs, and the anti-war vote ... aka the groups which broke massively for Obama last time around and gave him his margin.

Romney/Paul???