RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-08-2011 10:29 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:20 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:
(07-07-2011 10:58 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote: It's also not including SS and Medicare taxes. Still, the middle class tax burden is comparatively low. My question is whats the purpose of this thread though? Do you think we should raise taxes on the middle class?
No. He thinks the poor should pay more.
How do you propose keeping SS and Medicare as is if you dont raise taxes on everyone? Taxing just the top 2% won't get you to the magic number.
So how much do you propose we raise taxes on the poor? How much revenue do you expect to take in from this increase? Maybe a few hundred million? I suppose we could use that for the federal funding for libraries(which is about $214 million/year) since that is where most of them will be living once the tax is put into place.
OK, so here is why no one likes you. I asked you an honest, serious question. And you give a bull**** response that brings absolutely nothing to the conversation.
I will now continue my earlier policy of just telling you to shut up any time you butt into a discussion I am having.
Oooh. He is mad because I asked him how much he wanted to raise taxes on the poor(and technically, I am not poor). How dare I ask such a thing!
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-08-2011 12:25 PM)RobertN Wrote:
(07-08-2011 10:29 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:20 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:18 AM)RobertN Wrote: No. He thinks the poor should pay more.
How do you propose keeping SS and Medicare as is if you dont raise taxes on everyone? Taxing just the top 2% won't get you to the magic number.
So how much do you propose we raise taxes on the poor? How much revenue do you expect to take in from this increase? Maybe a few hundred million? I suppose we could use that for the federal funding for libraries(which is about $214 million/year) since that is where most of them will be living once the tax is put into place.
OK, so here is why no one likes you. I asked you an honest, serious question. And you give a bull**** response that brings absolutely nothing to the conversation.
I will now continue my earlier policy of just telling you to shut up any time you butt into a discussion I am having.
Oooh. He is mad because I asked him how much he wanted to raise taxes on the poor(and technically, I am not poor). How dare I ask such a thing!
I dont want to raise taxes on anyone. I believe there should be systematic changes on entitlements.
I can't believe Im tryng to have a logical argument with you. I'd have better luck my cat.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-08-2011 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote: So how much do you propose we raise taxes on the poor? How much revenue do you expect to take in from this increase? Maybe a few hundred million? I suppose we could use that for the federal funding for libraries(which is about $214 million/year) since that is where most of them will be living once the tax is put into place.
49% of the population pays basically nothing. That's roughly 150mm people. Taxing them $2/yr would raise a couple hundred million dollars. I'm not suggesting you simply do that, I'm merely pointing out the silliness of your comment that $2/yr in taxes is going to put people on the streets.
The BIGGER issue in my mind is that we now have 49% of the population with ZERO risk to voting for higher benefits regardless of what they cost? It is smarter to make someone "pay" $2 to get $20 worth of benefits than to give them $18 for free. It attaches personal sacrifice/effort to those benefits as opposed to being a gift and if the "cost" is progressive, then the need must be greater in order to justify the greater benefit... as opposed to now where all someone needs is to covet and a voters registration card.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-08-2011 02:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote: So how much do you propose we raise taxes on the poor? How much revenue do you expect to take in from this increase? Maybe a few hundred million? I suppose we could use that for the federal funding for libraries(which is about $214 million/year) since that is where most of them will be living once the tax is put into place.
49% of the population pays basically nothing. That's roughly 150mm people. Taxing them $2/yr would raise a couple hundred million dollars. I'm not suggesting you simply do that, I'm merely pointing out the silliness of your comment that $2/yr in taxes is going to put people on the streets.
The BIGGER issue in my mind is that we now have 49% of the population with ZERO risk to voting for higher benefits regardless of what they cost? It is smarter to make someone "pay" $2 to get $20 worth of benefits than to give them $18 for free. It attaches personal sacrifice/effort to those benefits as opposed to being a gift and if the "cost" is progressive, then the need must be greater in order to justify the greater benefit... as opposed to now where all someone needs is to covet and a voters registration card.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-08-2011 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:20 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:
(07-07-2011 10:58 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:
(07-07-2011 02:40 PM)DrTorch Wrote: That's federal. State taxes are important too.
It's also not including SS and Medicare taxes. Still, the middle class tax burden is comparatively low. My question is whats the purpose of this thread though? Do you think we should raise taxes on the middle class?
No. He thinks the poor should pay more.
How do you propose keeping SS and Medicare as is if you dont raise taxes on everyone? Taxing just the top 2% won't get you to the magic number.
So how much do you propose we raise taxes on the poor? How much revenue do you expect to take in from this increase? Maybe a few hundred million? I suppose we could use that for the federal funding for libraries(which is about $214 million/year) since that is where most of them will be living once the tax is put into place.
Well we could start by *not* making sure more than 30% of the population pays no taxes *and* gets a check from Uncle Same Every year..
Tax returns should never make you take in a net +...
If your tax return is equal to the amount of income taxes you paid you get that much and not a penny more.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-08-2011 09:14 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: I pay for the concentration of poverty that has happened because surrounding cities refuse to allow housing for these people.
Living in the outer ring suburbs I call Shenanigans..
Take a drive through parts of Eagan (around 494 and 35E to see high concentrations of section eight housing and crime.
Poor people are not living in Minneapolis because they cant find an apartment in Bloomington or West Saint Paul.... There are high density apartments dotting highway 13 all along the southern ring.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
What everyone fails to notice is that this only talks about "tax rates". What it says is that RATES haven't changed much.
What it DOESN"T show is how those rates are implemented, By that I mean, while the truly wealthy can set up trusts and take "stock" for salary living off of the sale of previous stock purchases or whatever ISN'T considered income. The only somewhat wealthy cannot.
How many times do we read about an executive taking $1 in compensation. Do you think they do this because they can't get other gigs??
And Creb... absolutely, sorry I missed it
(This post was last modified: 07-11-2011 11:47 AM by Hambone10.)
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-08-2011 02:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:
(07-08-2011 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote: So how much do you propose we raise taxes on the poor? How much revenue do you expect to take in from this increase? Maybe a few hundred million? I suppose we could use that for the federal funding for libraries(which is about $214 million/year) since that is where most of them will be living once the tax is put into place.
49% of the population pays basically nothing. That's roughly 150mm people. Taxing them $2/yr would raise a couple hundred million dollars. I'm not suggesting you simply do that, I'm merely pointing out the silliness of your comment that $2/yr in taxes is going to put people on the streets.
The BIGGER issue in my mind is that we now have 49% of the population with ZERO risk to voting for higher benefits regardless of what they cost? It is smarter to make someone "pay" $2 to get $20 worth of benefits than to give them $18 for free. It attaches personal sacrifice/effort to those benefits as opposed to being a gift and if the "cost" is progressive, then the need must be greater in order to justify the greater benefit... as opposed to now where all someone needs is to covet and a voters registration card.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
That 49% is one of the primary reasons COTUS will probably get re-elected for a 2nd term. Those chucks want the gravy train to keep rolling. "The rich owes me!!"
We've seen what COTUS can do in 2.5 years to this country. Yeah, let's give him a full 8. The damage that jack@ss can do is not imaginable.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-11-2011 04:21 PM)boss man Wrote: That 49% is one of the primary reasons COTUS will probably get re-elected for a 2nd term. Those chucks want the gravy train to keep rolling. "The rich owes me!!"
We've seen what COTUS can do in 2.5 years to this country. Yeah, let's give him a full 8. The damage that jack@ss can do is not imaginable.
...and that's what'll cause a revolution (not that Obama is re-elected, but when the majority of people don't pay sh*t and live off the backs of the minority). Tytler called it.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
What happens when the 51% realizes that the only way they aren't going to get screwed worse and worse is to leave, and take their businesses--and jobs--with them?
We're not there yet, and may never get there--which, for those of you who profess to be concerned about my welfare, is why I haven't left yet. But we will get there eventually if current trends continue. And once we get there, this will be a good place to leave.
And quite frankly, the only difference I see between republicans and democrats at this point is how quickly we get there.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-11-2011 04:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: What happens when the 51% realizes that the only way they aren't going to get screwed worse and worse is to leave, and take their businesses--and jobs--with them?
We're not there yet, and may never get there--which, for those of you who profess to be concerned about my welfare, is why I haven't left yet. But we will get there eventually if current trends continue. And once we get there, this will be a good place to leave.
And quite frankly, the only difference I see between republicans and democrats at this point is how quickly we get there.
They know that. That's exactly why they have already passed legislation for capital controls and are trying to make it harder to get a passport.
RE: Is The Middle Class Really Carrying The Tax Burden?
(07-11-2011 05:05 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:
(07-11-2011 04:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: What happens when the 51% realizes that the only way they aren't going to get screwed worse and worse is to leave, and take their businesses--and jobs--with them?
We're not there yet, and may never get there--which, for those of you who profess to be concerned about my welfare, is why I haven't left yet. But we will get there eventually if current trends continue. And once we get there, this will be a good place to leave.
And quite frankly, the only difference I see between republicans and democrats at this point is how quickly we get there.
They know that. That's exactly why they have already passed legislation for capital controls and are trying to make it harder to get a passport.
Yes, and that's what scares me. So far, the rules don't really catch me, and most of the changes being proposed don't really create a problem, either. But that could definitely change. It's definitely something I'm watching closely.
(This post was last modified: 07-11-2011 05:16 PM by Owl 69/70/75.)
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