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Huckabee to announce his decision tomorrow
My brother - who is a reporter in the Bay Area and who covers a lot of politics - says he's not running. No official word one way or the other but Ed Rollins says he thinks he's not running.
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His gig on Fox News must be paying dividends.
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I have a hard time thinking that he isnt running with the media blitz he's put on over the last week. But hey, maybe he isnt.
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He leads in the polls and with Romney, Trump and Newt having plenty of hurdles to overcome. Could be a smooth move to announce he is not running then get back into the race early next year as the rest of field struggles to impress the voters against Obama. I could see the party beg Huck to jump back to avoid Trump getting the nomination at the last minute. You could have a brokered convention with Huckabee bringing the safe choice with nervous delegates switching to Huck at the last minute to avoid Trump going down in flames vs Obama. Huckabee atleast brings lower negatives. He hasn't pissed of Republicans, Independent or Democrats that can't vote for Obama. Huckabee is the compassionate social conservative in the race. The GWB wing of the party carries a lot the clout still. This is Huckabee's base. If Huck doesn't run then the social conservatives have some choices. Santorum, Newt, Daniels would be the ones to benefit the most. If Huckabee's not in then his 20% in polls would be up for grabs. If Daniels doesn't run then that could leave Paul, Palin or Bachman with an opening to enter the race with the social conservatives backing them along with the Tea Party and having moderates Trump, Romney and Pawlenty splitting each other.
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Huckabee will be four more years of Obama. He stresses social issues at time when they are unquestionably on the back burner. He was a big government tax and spender as Governor.

But hey -- if you think the election is all about selecting who you want your preacher to be ... he's your guy!
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The american electorate is so unpredictable from month to month. One month they love Obama, the next month they hate him, then they love him. They want big programs yet don't want higher taxes and want to lower the debt. They want everything and want someone else to pay for it without having a massive debt to hurt the economy. 50/50 party split with the independents going with the flavor of the month. The big question will be how the country feels about Obama. Jobs and the economy likely take center stage in 2012 as the country is forced to address long term entitlement reforms. The ability of the republican nominee to pin Obama down and force him to make a decision on cuts will be key. Republicans must have a plan and communicate details of that plan. The canidate must offer an alternative to Obama's and sell that plan to the people. If I were the Republican nominee I would pick Rep Ryan as VP and get him out in front of the voters and pitch the budget plan as soon as the nomination is wrapped up. I wouldn't wait until the convention. He is the guy that has the details of what the House of Representatives has in mind. That way the canidate can piggie back on what house is gonna send to the senate and the president. Having a budget expert as VP could really help the ticket have a plan in place before the debates. If Obama still doesn't have a plan they he will look unprepared in the debates. You could have the time from the convention to the election about the issues and not about image and style that was 2008. Neither side has a plan or debated issues. Its about plumbers, palin and William ayers. Republicans have no chance if we are talking about anything but addressing the budget and the debt.
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Trump isn't going to get the nomination. It is possible he could be an even bigger ass than he already is and go for a 3rd party nomination.
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I don't think Hucks is going to run.

I also don't think Trump will be running either. He had his moment, not it's gone. He's tanked across the board. He got his free publicity and he'll leave it at that.
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Huckster please say NO....
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(05-14-2011 01:24 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  I could see the party beg Huck to jump back to avoid Trump getting the nomination at the last minute. You could have a brokered convention with Huckabee bringing the safe choice with nervous delegates switching to Huck at the last minute to avoid Trump going down in flames vs Obama.
That is all nonsense. Donald Trump is not going to enter any of the Republican caucuses or primaries, he is not going to win any delegates to the Republican Convention, and he is not going to participate in any "brokered convention", of which there is a 99.999% chance will not happen, anyway. Trump is generating publicity for his TV-show, hotels, casinos, and his name-brand cigars, suits and ties, candy bars, perfumes, etc., etc., etc. -- and nothing more.

In a few more weeks -- unless the media has already grown bored with him and moved on -- he will announce that he is not running, and that will be the end of that.

Quote:If Daniels doesn't run then that could leave Paul, Palin or Bachman with an opening to enter the race with the social conservatives backing them along with the Tea Party and having moderates Trump, Romney and Pawlenty splitting each other.
#1 - Sarah Palin is not running for any public office. #2 - The people who want Mitch Daniels to run are not going to switch to Michelle Bachmann or Ron Paul, if he doesn't. More like Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, or possibly Jon Huntsman.

(05-14-2011 02:06 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Huckabee will be four more years of Obama. He stresses social issues at time when they are unquestionably on the back burner. He was a big government tax and spender as Governor.
When it comes to big-government taxing and spending, and when it comes to drawing a hard line on "social issues" -- Huckabee is but a faint, pale shadow of Barack Obama.
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Interesting analysis. It seems of the major candidates that we know are running at this point, Gingrich has the most to gain from Huckabee sitting this election out. Romney and Pawlenty have the most to gain from a HUckabee run because it further divides the Social Conservative vote.

Quote:May 14, 2011, 3:53 pm
Who Benefits If Huckabee Doesn’t Run?
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I’m not going to speculate on what decision Mike Huckabee will make when he provides “clarity” tonight on his Fox News program about whether or not he will run for president.

But we can do some educated guessing about which other Republican candidates will spend the most time sweating the decision. Mr. Huckabee is the first choice of quite a few Republicans — usually somewhere between 15 and 20 percent when he’s polled — so his choice will have quite a bit of impact upon the field.

Here’s how this is going to work. I’m going to list six characteristics of Mike Huckabee, each one of which has some salience as to the sorts of voters that he’s liable to appeal to. We’ll then see which of the other Republican contenders share this characteristic in common with him. The more like Mr. Huckabee the other candidates are, the more they’ll benefit if he chooses not to run — and the more they’ll be harmed if he does.

1. Mike Huckabee is a social conservative. Although Mr. Huckabee does not always wear his social conservatism on his sleeve, his credentials are not really in question. How many other Republican candidates does this describe? I don’t think I’d get any debate on Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, or Herman Cain. Tim Pawlenty gets a point in this category — he’s more socially conservative than people realize. Newt Gingrich may be considered hypocritical because of his multiple marriages — but his positions are down-the-line social conservative, so he gets a point. Mitch Daniels, like Mr. Pawlenty, is more conservative on social issues that he’s usually given credit for — but he’s also called for a “truce” on them; we’ll give Mr. Daniels half a point. The other major candidates are either explicitly moderate on some key social issues or, like Mitt Romney and Donald Trump, have held inconsistent positions throughout their careers.

2. Mike Huckabee is an evangelical Protestant. It’s important to distinguish this characteristic from the previous one. Rick Santorum may be extremely socially conservative — but he’s Roman Catholic, and not an evangelical Protestant — and to some religious voters, that makes a difference. The candidates who, as best as I can tell, would consider themselves to be evangelical Protestants are as follows: Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Mitch Daniels, Sarah Palin, Ron Paul and Tim Pawlenty. They score a point in this category.

3. Mike Huckabee is a Southerner. This is true of surprisingly few other candidates, given the dominant role the South often plays in shaping the G.O.P.’s electoral coalition. The exceptions are Mr. Cain, Mr. Gingrich, and Mr. Paul.

4. Mike Huckabee is an outsider. This characteristic may be a little harder to define than the others — but that doesn’t make it any less important. In a primary field, candidates often work to differentiate themselves as much by whether they operate from inside or outside the party establishment as by their policy positions. To score this category, we’ll give half a point to every candidate who is not a member of what I call the “Fairfax Five”, which are the candidates who are most lauded by Republican elites in and around Washington, D.C. We’ll also give half a point to each candidate that I classified as an “outsider” when I sorted the candidates by this criterion in February. (On that list, I classified Mr. Pawlenty, Mr. Daniels and Mr. Santorum rate as being somewhere between insiders and outsiders, so we’ll give them a quarter-point for this.)

5. Mike Huckabee runs strongly in Iowa. He won the caucuses in 2008 and leads in almost all polls of it now. If Mr. Huckabee does not run, the candidate who runs a clear second place in the Iowa polls — Mr. Romney — would benefit, possibly opening up the door for him to sweep both Iowa and New Hampshire. Mr. Romney scores a full point. After that, the field in Iowa looks pretty muddy. But I think we can give half a point to the three Midwesterners in the race, who are Ms. Bachmann, Mr. Pawlenty, and Mr. Daniels, who might have some regional advantage in the state. And we can give another half-point to those candidates who have spent the most time in Iowa so far, who are Mr. Cain, Mr. Pawlenty, Ms. Bachmann, Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Santorum.

6. Mike Huckabee is a paid contributor to Fox News. You’ll sometimes hear pundits talk about the “Fox News Primary”, which is the idea that the network, because of its strongly Republican-leaning viewership, has a lot of influence over who the party’s nominee will be. But we can take this one step further — four Republican candidates have been on the network’s payroll at some point or another during this campaign cycle, and may be especially familiar to those viewers. In addition to Mr. Huckabee, they are Ms. Palin, Mr. Santorum, and Mr. Gingrich, the latter two of whom no longer appear as Fox News contributors now that their intentions to run for president have become clear.

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If we add up the points across all six categories, the clubhouse leader, with 4.5 points, is Herman Cain of Georgia, the radio talk show host and entrepreneur who is beginning to get more attention lately. He’s the most Huckabee-like of the other Republican candidates. Closely behind him, with 4 points each, are Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Michele Bachmann. Mr. Pawlenty, Mr. Santorum and (somewhat to my surprise) Mr. Paul also score reasonably well.

Other candidates, however, share little in common with Mr. Huckabee. Jon Huntsman of Utah might be closest to his opposite number — socially moderate rather than socially conservative, Mormon rather than evangelical Protestant, rarely seen in the cornfields of Iowa or on the airwaves of Fox News. Mr. Romney doesn’t share much in common with Mr. Huckabee — although his not having to compete against Mr. Huckabee in Iowa would be a big deal. Donald Trump and Mr. Huckabee don’t have much in common.

That isn’t to say that a candidate like Mr. Huntsman would prefer that Mr. Huckabee enter the race. Unless one of your opponents splits the vote in an extremely fortuitous way with his rivals, you’d almost always rather that he stay on the sidelines.

But common sense and our little exercise here would dictate that Ms. Palin, Mr. Cain, Mr. Gingrich and Ms. Bachmann would be in the strongest position to fill the hole created by Mr. Huckabee’s exit from the race, while Mr. Pawlenty and Mr. Santorum would also have some opportunities to exploit.
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With gas at about $4.00 a gal. Unemployment at 9%, Republicans could put up the GEICO Gecko and win. And win Big.

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(05-14-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  With gas at about $4.00 a gal. Unemployment at 9%, Republicans could put up the GEICO Gecko and win. And win Big.

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Nah. Things will be much better by then. Obama and Geithner have told us so.
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The GOP can't win with anybody. Pulling another Dubya out of the closet like McCain will end in landslide defeat.
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(05-14-2011 05:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The GOP can't win with anybody. Pulling another Dubya out of the closet like McCain will end in landslide defeat.

It is going to be a extremely tough battle for the GOP no matter who is the nominee. That being said a candidate with strong social conservative values represents the best hope.

All of us here can point out a lot of things we disliked about the Bush administration, but you can't argue with his election results. George W. Bush is exactly the type of candidate that appeals to voters. We see this in Huckabee too as he has consistently done the best against Obama in the polling.

I would vote for Huckabee if he won the Republican nomination, but he is not my first choice. I do fear that much like George W. Bush, he is not a strong fiscal conservative nor that he is serious about cutting spending. But at this point in time, he does appear to be most electable of the candidates in the GOP.
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To win, either side has to appeal to the middle. I'm not sure a social conservative can do that.

Heard an interesting commentary today about Obama's speech in El Paso. He needs to keep immigration out there as an issue to keep the Hispanic vote onboard, but he can't actually do anything for fear of alienating his labor base. So he's going to demagogue it the way he did in El Paso but not actually allow anything to get done.
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(05-14-2011 06:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  To win, either side has to appeal to the middle. I'm not sure a social conservative can do that.

This is only true to an extent. Keep in mind that in a typical Presidential election 40+ states are already decided one way or the other no matter who the nominees are. So more importantly for winning a Presidential election you need to 1.) Have an enthusiastic base that is going to donate money, and turn out the vote and 2.) Appeal to voters in a key few swing states(most of which are in the Midwest)

1.) Social Conservatives have always been the most active volunteers in the party. Many of them sat out the McCain campaign and that is one(among many) of the reasons the '08 election was so one sided.

2.) The Midwest historically has a lot of blue collar workers that support strong unions and favor the government welfare system. This makes these States lean Democratic at least from a Fiscal perspective.

The advantage the Republican party has in this region is as President Obama once so elegantly complained about voters in Pennsylvania "They bitterly cling to their guns and religion". Huckabee certainly is the type of candidate that would do well with this group in a general election.
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I'm not a birther, and I'm on record already as saying I think that part of the constitution is silly.

But if the gecko gets in the race, I demand to see his birth records. Have you noticed how they always fail to tell you where he's from in that one commercial??

(05-14-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  With gas at about $4.00 a gal. Unemployment at 9%, Republicans could put up the GEICO Gecko and win. And win Big.

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(05-14-2011 06:09 PM)Know Nothing Wrote:  
(05-14-2011 05:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The GOP can't win with anybody. Pulling another Dubya out of the closet like McCain will end in landslide defeat.
It is going to be a extremely tough battle for the GOP no matter who is the nominee. That being said a candidate with strong social conservative values represents the best hope.
All of us here can point out a lot of things we disliked about the Bush administration, but you can't argue with his election results. George W. Bush is exactly the type of candidate that appeals to voters. We see this in Huckabee too as he has consistently done the best against Obama in the polling.
I would vote for Huckabee if he won the Republican nomination, but he is not my first choice. I do fear that much like George W. Bush, he is not a strong fiscal conservative nor that he is serious about cutting spending. But at this point in time, he does appear to be most electable of the candidates in the GOP.

I think you've hit the nail squarely with regard to my problem. I'm no social conservative, but I am a fiscal conservative. I will gladly support a social conservative to get a fiscal conservative, but I have no interest in supporting a social conservative who is not also a fiscal conservative. That means there's pretty much nobody out there who speaks to me.
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(05-14-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  With gas at about $4.00 a gal. Unemployment at 9%, Republicans could put up the GEICO Gecko and win. And win Big.

Your positive vision for America is heart warming
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